Talk:Ronnie Coleman

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Many missing details about his surgeries[edit]

A recent documentary suggests that there is important information relating to him that is not listed here, in particular, in connection with injuries he sustained body building. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.73.178 (talk) 22:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikiprojects US: LA / TX[edit]

I see that this article is listed under WikiProject United States, under the Louisiana and Texas subprojects. (Added with this edit.) Seems to me that this article is not directly connected enough to the topic of the United States to warrant inclusion. Unless there's a reason I'm overlooking, I suggest we remove it. In general, if WikiProject United States' banner were put on the biography of every American just because they are American, it seems like cruft to me. If it's the project's goal to keep track of places in the US were people were born, died, and work, it might be better for the project to utilize our category system or Wikidata. If there are direct relevant discussions about this, could they be linked? Courtesy ping: GuzzyG. Cheers, Jason Quinn (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, the reason is the subject is born in Louisiana and grew up in Louisiana but spent their career in Texas, the Louisiana/Texas projects automatically add the United States project. Nearly every biography i have seen adds the country they have citizenship and the state/region they are from, especially in athletes as they tend to compete for them. Thanks for the ping, as far as i know there is no discussions, Cheers, GuzzyG (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
You make a good point about athletes. For athletes representing a country officially (as with Olympians) or maybe even for those representing a country unofficially (in international contests with limited entries per country) I can see why it makes sense. In bodybuilding contests, however, I think invitation is usually merit based and there's no constraints on the number of entrants based on nationality. For example, to qualify for Mr. Olympia, you have to win one of several other prestigious contests. That's basically it. So it doesn't seem to me that Coleman's nationality is particularly important. Even if they mention his nationality during the contests, he's not there on behalf of the United States. If various nationality Wikiprojects are being added to talk pages of biographies based merely on citizenship, it may be something that deserves a large discussion. Are the benefits of adding the banner to every biography worth the cost of adding clutter to the top of all their talk pages? I will leave it as is for now and think about it for a while. Maybe days. Maybe months. I dunno. I'll look for past discussions too. Maybe it would make better sense to add a |nationality= parameter to the {{WikiProject Biography}} template to avoid adding national Wikiprojects. Or maybe the categories are sufficient. I'll have to think about it. I know that some Wikiprojects, including Wikiproject United States, have had to deal with scope-creep in the past. Is this particular case an example of that? That's the line of thinking that needs to be addressed. Cheers, Jason Quinn (talk) 20:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I think that WikiProjects should be added if the subject has played a role in their area and in my mind citizenship is playing a role as a part in that countries culture, so i would stand on that side of the fence but either way in this case i don't see a solution, both WikiProject Texas and Louisiana are coded in their templates to automatically include the United States with them. Most states are like that except the big ones like California/New York. If that is to be changed that requires a site wide discussion i think, i am not too sure about how you could get it uncoded. I personally do not think this is an example of scope creep, as a persons country is an integral part of their life. Cheers, GuzzyG (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
By reasoning that "WikiProjects should be added if the subject has played a role in their area" this article could also belong to WikiProject Christianity or even WikiProject Accounting since according to the article he is a Christian and has an accounting degree. I'm sure he has "played a role" in many other wikiprojects' areas too. The question is whether the connection is strong enough to merit inclusion. Rather than relying on any connection, even possibly very tenuous (as with WikiProject Accounting) to allow inclusion, it is a better idea to only use Wikiprojects that are directly related to the article's notability or at least strongly associated with the subject. Both "directly related" and "strongly associated" require some judgment but it would function better than "played a role", which is far too weak and ambiguous. Unless an American has been active in politics, government functioning, or is known for something considered connected to America, I strongly disagree that citizenship alone means they've "played a role". Heck, a person could be a American citizen and moved abroad the second day of their life. Would such a person raised in Namibia have played a role in American culture? Jason Quinn (talk) 10:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
No and frankly that's why he is not in them. It is directionally related to being the top American bodybuilder. How is the country you're born in not a direct part of your notability? I've been on many biography talk projects and nearly each and every one has the persons country, if not that atleast the state or region they come from, in this case it is not possible to add Louisiana or Texas without automatically adding the United States template, so if you want the United States banner gone we need the states gone too, that is how the template is coded. How do you feel about this then is that not "overcreep" too? Now if he spent 15 years+ doing accounting professionally then yes he would qualify, like he does with Law Enforcement. United States has over 400, 000 articles with most of them being biographies so i do not quite understand why this one is being singled out. He'd be in WikiProject Namibia in that case. GuzzyG (talk) 14:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding 'Physical stats' section[edit]

Most of this list is expendable. Some coverage of his size should be given but it must indicate when the measurements were taken and they must be supported by reliable sources. I've tagged it with the {{prose}} template. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)