Talk:Rudi Skácel

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was not moved. There's clear consensus to move the article, but not where to move this to. I suggest that, as on other similar RMs, an RfC on the use of diacriticals in article names be created to determine the outcome. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolf Skácel → Rudi Skácel – Wikipedia's policy is to use common name. - Unreal7 (talk) 21:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Rudi Skacel. There are thousands of stories on Google News that give this subject as "Rudi Skacel" (no diacritic). See FIFA, BBC, or ESPN. I assume he wants an anglicized name. Otherwise, what was the point of switching from "Rudolf" to "Rudi"? Kauffner (talk) 13:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clearly Rudi Skácel is the common name.Edinburgh Wanderer 14:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Rudi Skacel - in the English speaking world he has only ever been known as "Rudi". -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Rudi Skacel - per Kauffner. Adam4267 (talk) 12:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Rudi Skacel (no diacritic) - Per Kauffner, it's his common name in English - Even Hearts don't use the diacritic. [1] Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 15:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Rudi Skácel, but oppose dropping the accent mark. "Rudi" is a common nickname, famously used by fellow footballer Rudi Völler among others, and has nothing to do with anglicization. Prolog (talk) 21:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article suggests that the subject's name was changed in order to anglicize it. Kauffner (talk) 22:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It says Rudi was to do with anglicization. He never changed his surname. I support the move but see no reason to drop the accent that is part of his name.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just generally because per WP:UE if it's the common English usage to drop the diacritic we should do likewise, if it wasn't the most common I'd agree to keep it in to comply with the second part of that (use the Czech usage). But it does appear to be more common in English news sources and official team pages (it's difficult to be completely sure since google searches don't differentiate between accent and not) and he does use it without for his twitter account. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I get 1,390 post-2005 Google News hits for "Rudi Skacel" (no diacritic), 3 for "Rudi Skácel," only one of which is in English -- and that one is actually for "Rudolf 'Rudi' Skácel". "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage," according to WP:UE. Kauffner (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Rudi Skacel it's not a case of mix-and-match for this man. He is known in Czech as Rudolf Skácel. That is unquestioned. If the rationale for a move is that he is known as Rudi in the English media, surely it must follow that his surname is used without the diacritic. Whatever his article is called, it shouldn't be Rudi Skácel! Oppose original nom but support move to Rudi Skacel if it is deemed the common name. Cloudz 679 22:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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mix-and-match

Just a note on above. Technically, yes, the traditional Czech short form for Rudolf is Rudek (cs:Rudolf Bubik) and Rudi is short form for German Rudolph. But then it's recognised in CR, and sounds more cool.

Muž derby? Přece Rudi Skácel 8. srpen 2005 – Statečné srdce? Skotské a ještě z Edinburghu. To je přece „Rudi“ Skácel. Druhý zápas, druhé vítězství, druhý gól – a teď i muž zápasu.
Man of the derby, Rudi Skácel after all 8th August 2005 - Braveheart? Scottish, and right there in Edinburgh. That's "Rudi" Skacel. The second match, the second victory, the second goal - and now the man of the match.

In ictu oculi (talk) 15:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. (non-admin closure) ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 21:46, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rudi Skácel → Rudolf Skácel – The footballer's real name is Rudolf Skácel, not Rudi. Skácel's nickname "Rudi" became widespread during his career tenure in Scotland (three seasons). He played for the Czech national team as Rudolf Skácel. He's back in the country now, playing the Second League for 1.FK Příbram, also as Rudolf Skácel. Czech footballers don't use nicknames as their official names, unlike e.g. Brazilians. Darwinek (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose In the English-speaking world (and in general) he's known as Rudi Skácel; on simple Ghits it's 112,000 for Rudi versus 33,600 for Rudolf, and on Google News there is only only one English-language hit in the first 30 returns (in which he is referred to as Rudi in the actual article and only as Rudolf in some automated commentary text). Rudolf Skácel would be appropriate on cs.wiki, but not here. Number 5 7 11:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Pretty much as above; he's primarily known in the English-speaking world for his stints playing in the UK, mainly at Hearts, and where he was only ever referred to as "Rudi <Skacel>". I don't even look on Rudi as a nickname as such, more just a shortening/ informalising (not sure that's actually a word, but I'm sure people will know what I mean!) of his proper name, like people whose formal first-name is "Robert" being referred to as "Bob", "Bobby" ,"Rob", etc. Put it like this, I've never heard of Rudolf Skácel ! :) ShugSty (talk) 11:32, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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