Talk:Ryszard Siwiec

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Will someone please explain to me what this photograph shows. The image is too small for me to make out any clear discription. It appears that Siwiec is performing self-immolation, but what confuses me is that nobody in the picture seems to be doing anything. Some people aren't even watching. What's going on?

He's already on fire. You can see the flame over his head and the left side of his body (on the picture: right). You are right: not everybody's watchin at him. Siwiec made it during a festival. It was very noisy (music) so some people didn't notice the accident instantly. But the audience (above) is clearly running away. Wnuk-pl —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.156.65.8 (talk) 22:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

Unsourced speculations on connections with Palach[edit]

I am removing the following unsourced text from the article, this speculation does not appear in any sources I have read. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


"It has not been revealed whether Palach knew about Siwiec's act of protest, as the Polish communist authorities vigorously suppressed any information about it, stating only that Siwiec was "suffering from mental illness". Although a number of Czechoslovaks attended the festival, Siwiec's death became widely known in Czechoslovakia only after the news of it was broadcast on Radio Free Europe two months after Palach's death."

First[edit]

re: [1], @User:Poeticbent: according to the sources I see he was the first from C/E Europe, and the first (and last ever) self-immolator (sic...) from Poland. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ryszard Siwiec/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 01:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey Piotrus, I'll be glad to take this one. A fascinating, if ghastly, subject. Comments to follow soon; thanks as always for your work! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, this looks good. Quite a haunting story, the way his act was almost lost to history; as an American, I've heard of Jan Palach in a vague way, but never of Siwiec. I made some minor changes as I went; feel free to revert any with which you disagree. Thanks for working on this one--this is probably the most interesting article I'll read this month, and I read a lot of articles. Face-smile.svg

*"and the only one in Polish history" -- does the source specifically say this? I know it talks about him, but I had trouble finding a spot where it says there were no other self-immolation protesters from Poland. Another problem is that this phrasing suggests no one else self-immolated in protest in all of Polish history, not just after the Prague invasion.  Done -- double-checked source and clarified.

  • "Similar sentiments about the tragedy of forgetting about this incident were expressed by others, including Jan Nowak-Jeziorański.[5] " -- this is pretty vague. Is it possible to give more of a sense of JNJ's words here, perhaps giving a (translated) quotation?
    • @User:Khazar2: I am glad you found the article interesting. It is indeed a very human story, which is why I decided to take a break from my usual themes and write this one out. I've added the full quote from JNJ to the article, let me know what you think about it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I cut the quotation back down to what seemed to me the most essential point--is that ok? Mostly I just wanted to move the "tragedy" part into his precise words. Anyway, thanks for adding this and your work on this one generally. -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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