Talk:Saints Row (2006 video game)

Deleted?!

What happed here? (Serio 18:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC))

PS3 Release

I added a "citation needed" tag to that info. Can anyone confirm this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.49.138.110 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC).

no, i am almost positive it is an exclusive

the people at Volition thought about it, but when they heard the PS3 was delayed (again) they said, "no" however, it was not an offical statment, it could change. As a fan of the xbox i hope not. By:Hunterdew

EB Games has the game listed with a PS3 box art. So I guess it is confirmed. It has a release date of 5/15/07. I'm going to add this release date to the front now. If anyone thinks it shouldn't be there, go ahead and replace it with TBA. http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=270062 Gamerzworld 02:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The PS3 edition of Saints Row was cancelled.

Ya ps3 version is cancelled cause Saints Row 2 is being released for ps3 also. "Why would you pay for Saints row 1,when 2 is being released in 2 monthes..."--Hitamaru 23:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Release Date

I changed the release date from May 16, 2006 to Q3 2006, which is the official release date and the ones most video game outlets, magazines, and websites are reporting. Hopefully we get an actual month/day soon. --JOK3R 14:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I just added the UK release date. Do we have any word on other regions yet? ~xenc. 18:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

E3 Coverage?

Anyone hear any info or coverage of Saint's Row at E3? The only thing I've read is that there was a playable demo available, and a demo has been rumored to be released this week on Xbox Live Marketplace. --JOK3R 19:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move (Saint's Row to Saints Row)

This move request was successful. The original survey follows for archival purposes and should not be edited. ~xenc. 13:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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The official title does not include an apostrophe. Saints Row was created after Saint's Row and is currently a redirect. Despite the page holding an edit history, previous versions are merely duplications of what can be found in the history of the main article. This request is therefore to overwrite Saints Row with Saint's Row. ~xenc. 14:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support Hitman3580 18:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

• The new logo omits the possesive apostrophe. Also, the game is listed as "Saints Row" on both the THQ (publisher) and Volition, Inc. (developer) websites. ~xenc. 14:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

DEMO RELEASE

When do you think it would be appropriate to add the botched demo distribution? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.129.230 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think the distribution of the demo was "botched", Volition never mentioned that they'd release the demo by demo disc in the first place. ~xenc. 16:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that it wasn't THQ or Volition's fault, it was a bad release. They shipped the demo discs (meant to be a preorder bonus), but after that they had no control. It was erratic, unannounced, and actually, quite open to abuse. Toys'R'Us has sold the discs, distributed them free of charge, or made them pre-order bonuses (as they should be, but still ahead of the 24th schedule. One person has reported buying music and being given the demo, randomly. Its not how THQ intended, and if it picks up game press, it should be included in the article (much like early readings of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. Not to mention that it has annoyed plenty of gamers who pre-ordered elsewhere, or live outside the US. Other retailers are rather mad, and will be even more fuming if TrU isn't punished. 74.132.129.230 16:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

And for the precedent, if THQ and the gaming press take notice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Half_Blood_Prince#The_Right_to_Read -Fadethebutcher 16:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I wasn't aware the situation was that bad! Because of this I'm not going to attempt to add a section about it just yet. However you are more than welcome to edit it into the main article yourself, I think it would be a worthwhile addition =) ~xenc. 19:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to wait for some media confirmation on the facts, as right now all the evidence on the web are original research, or of dubious quality (such as forum posts). There are some pics of the demo disks, some are on sale on ebay, and there are plenty of people vouching that they have a demo. I'll get some evidence that I can verify, and that will serve as a foundation for later edits. Fadethebutcher 19:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Moved

The article has been moved, and the history of the old one was deleted, as it was just a copy from a May revision. Enjoy. --liquidGhoul 04:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! ~xenc. 13:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

PEGI Rating

Why is the American rating there, but not the European? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.71.99.232 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC).

I've added in the European rating for the game. ~xenc. 19:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Intro paragraph

The intro paragraph ought to include more than just the genre. It maybe should include at least a statement about the central theme of gang activity. --The Yar 19:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Multiplayer

I think the Multiplayer section shouldn't be under "Other," but under it's own section. 20:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

State Motto

I recently bought some VGA wires and hooked up my 360 to my computer monitor, looks really nice in high definition. Anyways, because of this, I was able to zoom into the license plate of a car and read the state motto. Should the state motto be added to the trivia section?

Motto and Ending

I cannot see anything wrong with the motto being in the trivia, so long as it has some sort of reference that is notable. For instance, if it just says "Home of Freckle Bitches" (the resteraunt in game) then its pretty un-notable.

If it has some reference to something though, just as the "Newman" that is the postal-car is in reference to Seinfeld's Newman was, then it is worth it.

Now to the second half. The ending of the game has caused considerable controversy among gamers: the forums at the game's website are loaded with "What was up with the ending" - style threads. I think we should note on Wikipedia the amount of controversy the cliffhanger has generated. Anyone seconding that?

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The state motto is "America's Hometown", but it really isn't in reference to anything. So what do you think? 69.121.67.198 23:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I personally believe that the controversy and confusion of the ending should allow a section of theories of the ending. I know personally I was left asking who was for and against me. On top of that the obvious questions as to whether the player is somehow alive and who planted the bomb. Manofthespoon 22:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The voice actor for the main character?

Though the main character does not have many lines in the game he does talk sometimes. I can't find anywhere who does his lines. IMDB.com does not list him. Anyone an idea? He, among other things, says something like "yeah, if you want hepatitis" and at the end of the game he says "can you hurry up, i want to go to Freckles Bitches".

By the way, it might that there are several because at the beginning of the game you can choose your race. My player talks like an latino but mybe i'm imagining that because he looks like one. Just curious and maybe interesting news for the frontpage of this article.


There are four when the main character speaks. One for each of the gang storylines, and one in the final cutscene. The four are

"Hope you don't mind hepatitis."(when Johnny Gat mentions having sex with Tanya, who runs a whorehouse; VK storyline) "I got run over by a motherfucking truck, what d'you think?!"(when asked by Julius over the phone if he is alright; Rollerz storyline) "Bullshit, those are last year's fall collection!"(when Luz, Angelo's woman, pulls out a pair of shoes and claims they're "new"; Los Carnales storyline) "Can you speed this shit up? I want to go to Freckle Bitch's."(after listening to a somewhat..."philosophical" speech aboard Alderman Hughes' yacht; Final cutscene)

In the beginning, you can choose whether your character is African-American, Latino, Caucasian, or Asian. I have played as all four in the game, and I can assure you it's 4 very different voices for each race. I have heard rumors that each voice for the main character was provided by a member of the developing team, but I'm not sure. I've watched a Behind the Scenes video, and they didn't even touch on it. But yes, I can assure you it's 4 different actors. I knew who most of the voice actors/actresses were in the game(Tanya Winters, Julius Little, Benjamin King, Troy, Johnny Gat), but I couldn't recognize any of the voice actors for the main character, so it's probably someone very small time, like the voice actor for Master Chief in the Halo series.--Wild One 04:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the trivia section

Just how solid is the "Nordberg" reference? Isn't it rather far-fetched to find O. J. Simpson's character in Naked Gun as a reference? What sort of meaning does that have for the actual vehicle in the game? In my opinion, none at all. I always just thought of the Nordberg name as being a generic Volvo-type car in the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.197.239.159 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-14T00:02:57.

I thought the Nordberg reference was much more obvious and believable than the McManus or Ultor references. --The Yar 16:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Ultor was in a Volition game, so its a more obvious reference.

- I don't understand how anyone can consider the backwards 'ambulance' writing to be unusual - it's designed that way (in real life) to be seen correctly in rear-view mirrors. Unless there's something i'm missing, this should probably be removed.

I like how someone put that ambo thing in though. THey saw it, they thought it was strange, so they added it to the page. Just shows how open to being diverse wikipedia is. And how it can be wrong. Good and bad just means different, not bad JayKeaton 14:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It's strange, David Carrodine has only ever acted in one videogame in his whole career, Saints Row. He shot to fame again after playing Bill in Kill Bill, and his characters name in Saints Row is William (or Bill, for short) JayKeaton 04:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I definitely think Nordberg reference is valid. Nordberg was OJ's character in Naked Gun. The Nordberg in-game is basically a Ford Bronco. And well, we all know what white truck OJ famously drove around in Los Angeles in 1994 while evading the cops. Y2kcrazyjoker4 06:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Plot summary

I cleaned up what I first did to the plot summary, since coming back to it I realized it was... well it was just badly formatted. I admit that. Hopefully that will satisfy the tag. --BuzzNJ 15:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I did some additional clean-up and formatting, and went ahead and removed the tag. This section, while lengthy, should now be reasonable in terms of content. If other folks disagree, the tag can, of course, be added back. --Slordak 19:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Saw the tag put back, and wrote out a quick few paragraphs that summarize the plot without going into each gang's story as to keep it out of spoiler range.

Fan Boy editing?

89.213.11.251 Has been adding alot of "fanboyish" editing to this site, usually with poor grammar and uncyclopaedic entries. Sir Teh 14:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion: Move soundtrack details to seperate page

The issue of summarizing the sound tracks vs providing the full playlist is cluttering the page right now. I look at what was done for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City soundtrack, and I think that there's enough with SR to make a SR soundtrack page more approrpriate as to declutter the main page. --Masem 16:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Chinatown crashes

Hey, does anybody else get a weird crash while entering chinatown (or anywhere near it)

If so, it may be worth mentioning. As it affects about 2/3 of the southern island.

The only glitch i get is around High end retail,but it goes back to normal in a few secs.Peacemaker456 18:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Motorcycles

is there any in this game? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach The Video Game Guy (talk • contribs) 22:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

no

Merge

Yes to merger. The content of Unkut is trivial and totally linked in its existence to the larger article. Cdcdoc 04:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Garage space

In the car customization part you should include the maximum amount of cars you can have because i reached a maximum but i din't count the number of cars.Peacemaker456 18:34, 23 February 2007(UTC)

50 cars per crib. Jt_200075 13:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Online Gangs

Theyr most def needs to be a sect on the online chase for the top gang in the world, its where the true game is at.YoungKeta 00:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Please place new topics at the bottom of the talk page (or use the little "+" tab to create a new one there. But in regards to including online gangs, this is primarily information well outside an encyclopedic article and should not be there. There's mention of the ability to play with online gangs in gameplay, but specifically calling out a current ladder to be the best gang is not really WP appropriate. --Masem 00:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Saints Row coming to PS3, again

This report on GameSwank suggests the PS3 version hasn't been cancelled after all. Hopefully THQ will clear this matter up soon. Viamp 10:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Either they removed the story or their search sucks, because I can't find anything on the site about Saints Row. - JNighthawk 03:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Stilwater Location

What is the basis for saying that Stilwater is based on Detroit or Chicago? All of the interestate numbers end with 95, which would put it on the east coast.

THQ uses "Gateway to the Rust Belt", which specifically goes from Chicago to NYC, but includes Detroit, Cleveland, and Pittsburg (big steel cities hit on hard times). The numerous gangs as well as the strong music scene is mostly indicative of Detroit. The fact the city has an El (elevated train) could put it in Chicago or NYC. Since it's obviously fictional, it's an aggolmeration of any of these cities. --Masem 05:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Sentence needs reformulating

I ran across the following sentence in the section "Plot:"

The game apparently ends when the player receives a call from Julius, who implies he will be corrupt cops who were waiting for the gang wars to end before they made their move on the Saints.

Does anybody know what is supposed to stand here, and correct it? Thanks in advance. -- blackThe Hiddeyblack 10:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Similarity to Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Although I know that this topic is perfectly relevent, I'm not sure its right that its the biggest section in the article, anyone else think it should be stripped down?
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 15:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I think that section lead should be nixed, with all that section becoming "Gameplay" and cutting that down when appropriate (remember for a GA/FA we need to cite everything, I don't wanna be the one to do that...). There should be a line in the gameplay with citation that says the game plays very much like GTA, and if further similarities are needed, add a section to the Reception part. --Masem 15:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Good job removing the gang info

Because when I came here to doing a research for an article, they and the actors who voice them are gone. Thanks for making this article fucking worthless in terms of useful research content. Good job. JAF1970 22:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

From the stand point of fictional notability, these aren't notable elements of the game. --Masem 22:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Re-added, for the exact reason you stated. The actors that voiced the characters is a relevant piece of information, far above trivia. - JNighthawk 04:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

That's not so bad, having the characters AND the actors playing them, that should avoid the non-notability charge. Many games nowadays make quite a big thing of having well known actors playing voice parts, or even further back in the days of FMV playing live action parts. Douglasnicol 15:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Main Character

Shouldnt he be mentioned as one of the 3rd Street Saints as a lieutenant as its mentioned in the storyline —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.5.134 (talk) 18:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

For those that are looking to add gang information, I strongly suggest trying to write this in a prose form, briefly describing each gang and their structure (along with voice actors). Don't add it as list information, however. --MASEM 21:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added in each gangs 'turfs' at the start of the game. Does it look okay? Douglasnicol 22:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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VANDALISED!!!

your articles been vandalised man...change it

"Like games from the Grand Theft Auto series, Saints Row has elements from driving games and third-person shooters, and features "open-world" gameplay that gives the player more control over their playing experience. Fuck fuck, fuckity fuck fuck."

no trouble, wriggers

saints rows

Saint rows is a good game but as bad thngs in that game so little children can not copy the bad things what they can not say my thier mouths so we came up to put it as a 16 year old game and other over the game so please do not copy the bad things on the game thn you please children do not do it please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.175.21 (talk) 21:51, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

that is a good writing task write me it on my edit please. that saint rows one i am good at it thenn? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.175.21 (talk) 21:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC) Are you borderline-illiterate, or just a complete moron? I'm guessing you're just a moron, seeing as how you appear to have responded to your own pointless and incomprehensible comment and can't have no concept of grammar, punctuation or spelling. Seriously, kid, get off the internet and don't come back after you've gone to school for a few years; maybe then you might understand how to write like a normal human being.

Title

Why is it not just Saints Row? If there is not a good rationale, I propose a move. --Kamasutra (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

ha "can't have no concept" that not proper english —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.44.201 (talk) 14:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Saints Row characters

WHERE THE HELL IS THIS ARTICLE?!!!!!!!!! WHY IS IT NOT HERE?!!!!!!!!!! I know somebody better get it back up here.The King Gemini (talk) 02:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

List of Saints Row characters was deleted in April, as the result of a deletion discussion as no one was able to find coverage of the characters in independent reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Saints Row on 1993 NES?

Could anyone check that info, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.100.230.192 (talk) 01:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Wii port exist, you know.

Title Meaning - Row or Row?

Is the title Saints Row as in a line of saints, or as in a quarrel between Saints? (ZhuLien) 14:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.141.11 (talk)

I'm fairly certain it's a reference to the neighborhood. Julius talks about how "the Row is having serious problems" or "the Row needs to be cleaned up". It could be a reference to terms like "the Hood" or how some places develop names. San Andreas had "the Grove", for instance.--68.6.234.179 (talk) 20:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I feel an explanation of the game's (strange) title is sorely missing. Can anyone corroborate the following statement is correct?

"Saint's Row refers to the home territory of the gang called "The Saints" who's headquartered in the middle of "The Row" in an old dilapidated church on 3rd Street." Thanks in advance. Hippo99 (talk) 13:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Priorities

Okay, what's on our list of priorities for sprucing up this article? Are we sourcing what's here or using TNT? I also see that it needs a legacy section for its later influence (mainly, the rest of the series). Are there any unused sources for the development section? Are there any useful and unused print sources I can dig up, in specific? czar ♔ 15:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, let me try and get some points down. This is a checklist for the both of us.

• I've done an overhaul on the Gameplay section, but it's still very light on citations. It'd be good to support those statements with other reviews. The big problem is that, as we go through Metacritic's collated reviews, a lot of them have since 404'd. Keep in mind this game came out at the beginning of (now) last gen, so a lot of those older reviews have gone under. Of the ones we have left, many aren't considered RS, which could have trouble at a GAN. If we could get a handful of extra sources through here it'd be great. I'll trawl through some previews, and I'm sure there's some good info that came out of E3 2005 and beyond. I also did cull out a couple of little bits here and there that I'll try and work back in - namely the Respect boost players get by wearing purple clothes. Also, even prior to my rewrite, there's no information in the article about the multiplayer. It's critically important we have a multiplayer paragraph, especially given the fact that Saints Row's multiplayer was unprecedented for the genre and was well received.
• Plot seems A-OK to me.
• Yes, there are unused sources for the development section. If you have a look, the content is sourced from GameSpy's dev diaries, which are wonderful sources. There are more diaries with good info. Also when I started on this section I tried writing about the Xbox 360's hardware but my brain went to mush every time. Diary 2 has some great developer insight into working with the hardware that I just couldn't work into the article. One thing I will do is go through a customised Google search for more info later on when I have time. At a quick glance there's still some good content out there. I haven't got any print mediums on hand for this game.
• I agree on a Legacy section. Also, using what little reviews we have left, we'll need to build Reception up a lot. I'll have to see if we have enough to need to add Template:Video game reviews.
• I need to have a look for information about the game's development troubles. I think it was meant to be a 360 launch title but got pushed back. Also we need more prose on the PS3 port that got canned in favour of SR2. CR4ZE (t) 16:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Voice cast

Removed the voice cast list from the article per video game scope guideline #10: voice cast mentions should be in prose (not lists) and brief, if worth mentioning at all czar ⨹ 07:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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