Talk:Samuel Kummer

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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Kummer at the organ console of the Frauenkirche

• ... that Samuel Kummer chose for his first recital as the organist of the restored Frauenkirche in Dresden music by Bach, Brahms, Max Reger, Louis Vierne, and his own? Source: [1]
  • Reviewed: Olga Lander
  • Comment: Appeared ITN, but without blurb, so eligible. I'm sad about having to tell this story.

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2103 past nominations.

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Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC).

• I've taken the liberty of proposing a rearranged ALT0a for reasons of grammar, as it was looking a bit breathless, and so that it ends with "Samuel Kummer" instead of "his own".

  ALT0a: ... that for his first recital as the organist of the restored Frauenkirche in Dresden, Samuel Kummer chose music by Bach, Brahms, Max Reger, Louis Vierne, and Samuel Kummer?

  --Launchballer 10:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: This is the oldest fully unreviewed nom and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. New enough, blurbless ITN notwithstanding, and long enough. Earwig has no valid complaints. Looking at ALT0a now, Reger and Vierne are lesser 'names' and I'd expect a more merciless prepbuilder to cut them, but I'll let them make that decision. Two things; as written, the 'Life and career' section would deserve {{subsections}} (and surely 'Personal life' comes under Life and career anyway), and single-sentence WP:PARAGRAPHs should be avoided - this should be reordered somehow.--Launchballer 22:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the review, Launchballer! I tried subheaders but am not happy, because it's impossible to be halfway chronological with groups, - help wanted. I know that single sentences should be avoided, but there is only one sourced sentence about his teaching, and it fits nowhere else. The single sentence about the award for the recording belongs to the preceding quote, - would you know a way to connect it (besides not using template quote)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

If I understand what a Bezirkskantor is correctly, then both the Kirchheim unter Teck and Frauenkirche sections could be merged. The Hochschule sentence could either be incorporated into the Personal life section or appended to the end of the first paragraph of Frauenkirche, though I can't see it in that source. Also, and I'm sorry I didn't say this earlier, but the lead could do with another sentence or two.--Launchballer 13:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Bezirkskantor, as the article explains, means regional church musician, responsible for the church music of a district. Frauenkirche, however, is one of the most prominent churches in the world - those two should not be merged. Hochschule has nothing to do with personal life. It can't be at the end of Frauenkirche, firstly because it has nothing to do with it, and began during the Frauenkirche time but lasted until his death. - I'll look at the lead. German leads always have just one sentence, and this is a translated (and then expanded) article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I looked, but would not know what details to add to the lead without placing undue weight on them. What would you like to read there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

My mistake, I got hold of a Google Translated version of the .de article for Bezirkskantor, saw the phrase "church musician", and stopped reading. If I was writing this article, the lead would be as follows (and these are only suggestions):

Born in Stuttgart, he played concerts internationally, before becoming Bezirkskantor in Kirchheim unter Teck from 1998 and then moving to the Frauenkirche in Dresden in 2005. He also recorded several works including a 2007 version of Louis Vierne's Organ Symphonies Nos. 3, which was awarded a Diapason d'Or, and a 2020 version of Bach's The Art of Fugue, which was awarded the Preis der deutschen Schallplattenkritik. He also lectured at the Hochschule für Kirchenmusik Dresden from 2007 until his death.

and the Personal life section would read as follows:

Kummer died on 23 April 2024 at the age of 56. According to his family, he collapsed at Dresden Main Station on his way to teaching in Würzburg. At the time of his death, he was married to Irena Renata Budrytė-Kummer, and had been a lecturer for organ improvisation and literature play at the Hochschule für Kirchenmusik Dresden since 2007.

If there had been any coverage of the teaching before his death, then there'd be a bit more to say about it.--Launchballer 10:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions. As I tried to say before I believe that it would put undue weight on Kirchheim (which nobody knows), and on Vierne - why this one of the probably hundred composers whose music he played - and on awards. For a compromise, I put the awards into the infobox. - In the personal section, I'd like to mention the wife before the death, and the teaching not at all as nothing personal. For a compromise there, I moved the sentence to the chronology when it began. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me.--Launchballer 00:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)