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- 1 Commercial Appearances
- 2 Controversy section
- 3 Sara Fox News
- 4 Singles
- 5 COALMINE or MISSING MISSOURI???
- 6 Coalmine didn't do good?
- 7 Photo
- 8 From my area
- 9 WE NEED A PIC!
- 10 Missing Missouri a single after all?
- 11 Singles
- 12 As If
- 13 Sara Evans' Controversy
- 14 Attempt at major overhaul
- 15 Fixing Sources (references)
- 16 Tidying up
- 17 Cleaned Up Article
- 18 Separate part for Television stuff?
- 19 Full name
- 20 Her accent
- 21 Because BLP, strong statement with broken link, questionable title redacted, until...
- 22 Edit to Divorce paragraph
Is it worth mentioning in the article Sara's appearances in both TV and radio commercials for Coca-Cola? I believe the commercials aired in 2004, but I'm not 100% sure; the only reason I even remember this at all is because I'm related to her. Because of that, I think this falls in the "original research" category, but is it even a big enough deal to put in even with cited sources? I wanted to put something in about it, but at the same time I don't want to break any rules... Lycanthrope777 20:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
If someone could sufficiently explain what exactly, does the amount of controversy generated by a divorce--or any other personal event have to do with whatever political party one happens to support?
The notation that ought to link to some kind of source links to the bottom of the page--a constant problem with wikipedia I realize, but it screams POV.
Sara Fox News
Sara Evans was on Fox News on 12 October 2005, Wednesday. They showed one of her recent videos and Sara was given a short interview by Hannity and Colmes. It was good.
Added the fact that she performed at the 2004 GOP convention : reference Dallas News http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/090906dntexdelay.7c9648e0.html
She is a real nice american!
The two sections under Singles are redundant. The second part is at least in chronological order. Backspace 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
COALMINE or MISSING MISSOURI???
Ok, so which single is coming out? I heard on CMT that Coalmine was the next single and I have yet to hear it on the radio, but in the past couple of weeks, I've heard "Missing Missouri" a dozen times and I've yet to hear "Coalmine". Also, I've heard Coalmine on the net and I have definately not heard it on the radio.
- I've heard "Coalmine" on the radio and the DJ said it was the new single. I have only heard "Missing Missouri" off the CD, never on the radio here. Lord Bodak 20:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I readded Missing Missouri as I know for a fact that it was played, at least in my area in the radio. Please do not remove it again. Faris b 19:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
That doesn't make it a single. St. Louis country radio has been playing it for a while now. That said, I have heard that it might be the next single. Either that or "New Hometown." We can leave it as it is until anything is confirmed. Camcallister 21:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, then. But I have seen other singer pages with soon to be singles listed, the Faith Hill page has one more listed after "Sunshine & Summertime" as do the LeAnn Rimes and Tim McGraw pages. I think it should just be left on there or at least a special note put somewhere that it was played by the St. Louis stations since about April I believe. Faris b 18:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
"Stealing Kisses" is listed on Faith Hill's page because she confirmed that it would be a single with a music video at the CMT Video Music Awards. LeAnn Rimes released "Strong" in Germany and has confirmed to be releasing "Everybody's Someone" in October in the UK and Ireland. The difference is that this hasn't been confirmed yet. Radio stations will play songs that haven't been released as singles especially if they are novelty songs in the area, such as "Missing Missouri" in Missouri. Camcallister 14:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, but doesn't the fact that "Coalmine" was NOT released for around here (for me that is) signify in some way that they have switched those 2 songs around? I'm assuming if and when "Missing Missouri" becomes a national single as opposed to a regional one for the time being that we will get "Coalmine" released. Yeah, I know there is pretty much no fact in this but wouldn't it make sence? I never heard Coalmine except online and such, never on the radio so that is the basis of my assumptions that they have switched them around. Faris b 18:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
"Coalmine" was released there. It was released everywhere. It was the official third single from the album. Your radio station just didn't pick it up. I don't think mine did either. "Missing Missouri" on the other hand, was not even released to radio. Your radio station just started playing it from the CD. This happens frequently, but it doesn't mean it was a single. Carrie Underwood's "Before He Cheats" hasn't been released as a single yet, but it's garnered enough airplay to chart on the Billboard Country chart for 17 or 18 weeks now. "Missing Missouri" has not been released as a single. Camcallister 22:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but I missed that message you posted on my watchlist and just decided to check today. Ok, whatever. I believe you. But the in the event it does not become a single can you think of some sort of way to denote that it was released in the St. Louis area or something like that? Faris b 04:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Coalmine didn't do good?
What was wrong with "Coalmine" that it was stated on this page that it didn't do good? I liked it. Or is it just because of that coalmine accident in West Virginia a few months before?
--Faris b 18:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
It got hardly any radio play. A peak in the low 30s doesn't really mean it's a big hit. Camcallister 19:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, then that's not fair. Why wasn't it played often? You're lucky, it never got played around here.
--Faris b 20:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I wish it had gotten played more too. It was a good song, radio just never took hold of it. I never heard it on the radio here either. Camcallister 15:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Two reasons most frequently cited are: 1) Listeners thought it was too bluegrass (Go figure) and 2) they felt it was too sexual since it was basically about a wife waiting naked for her husband to hurry up and get home so they could have sex by the light on his miner's helmet. Personally I think it's one of her best songs ever - but no one consulted me. Sharpvisual 11:39, 10 Aug 2006 (CDT)
Ok, I hope this doesn't become a huge issue but I changed the photo back to the old one.
This one just doesn't seem right to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sara_Evans_13.jpg
So I changed it back to the older one. The reason being is that she has curly hair in that pic and she normally doesn't so I think it's better to stick with a current/more recognizable one.
If anyone wants to put the other one back, can they give a reason why that one is better?
Personally, I like the current one or this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sara-albumcovercutout.gif
--Faris b 05:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
From my area
I have visited the town where Sara was born and raised. It is located approximately 1.5 hours from my house. I am also a country music fan and would be interested in helping out with this article. --Genius00345 01:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean boonville like the article says or new franklin? I used to work with her in Columbia Mo before she became famous and seem to remember she was from New Franklin.Once she asked if anyone wanted to go out to the farm to pick tobacco for extra money and I think the farm was in New franklin. Were did the boonville info come from?
WE NEED A PIC!
Doesn't she have any promo photos or ANYTHING we can use? What about an album cover? This is getting out of hand, every week, 1 or 2 people are either trying to get the image codes right to post one or they post one that's unsourced.
Anyone know of any pics that we can actually use?
Faris b 05:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, we certainly can't use an album cover solely to depict Sara Evans. That would be a violation of the image's license. --Yamla 16:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Then what do you suggest? What is her problem? Why not give a publicity photo or 2? I have never seen another artist who refuses to do it.
Why can't we just say to hell with copyright info because of the need for a pic, it's not like there are pics that are available out there and the fact that she's notable and that too many anonymous users are trying to add one signifies that one's needed.
Faris b 18:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- We can't say to hell with copyright info because that opens Wikipedia up to being sued. We certainly can use a promotional image, though, with the right rationale. --Yamla 18:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I added one promotional pic from the "Real Fine Place" cd on here. -- Dustind
- Yes, in blatant violation of the image's license and without a detailed fair-use rationale. That image is marked for deletion. --Yamla 15:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've already tried adding that pic and it was deleted and this one will be as well. And nobody answered so I'll ask again, why does she NOT have any publicity photos??
Faris b 19:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- I strongly expect that she does have promotional images, we just can't find any. --Yamla 19:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I have a friend who attended dozens of Sara Evans shows and I've just emailed him to ask if he'd make a few of his pics available here for the wikipedia article. I suspect he won't have a problem with that. --Renrenren 03:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that would be ok, one can use pics they've taken themselves and release them to the public domain but you can't use pics already posted on other sites because of copyright issues.
Faris b 17:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Missing Missouri a single after all?
So, I guess I was right! It WILL be a single after all. Faris b 04:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, that's still up in the air. Right now, "Missing Missouri" is charting only because a couple stations are playing it as an album cut (most likely stations in Missouri). There's still the possibility that the album cut play could start to snowball -- in other words, if more stations start to play it enough, it could end up getting released as a single. This is exactly what happened with "Beer For My Horses" by Toby Keith and Willie Nelson. It first charted as an album cut while Toby's "Rock You Baby" was climbing the charts, but eventually, "Beer" was getting so much airplay as an album cut that his label went ahead and released it (and as a result, "Rock You Baby" began a freefall from its #13 peak). I don't think that "You'll Always Be My Baby" is going to freefall, but given "Missing Missouri"'s success as an album cut so far, it could be the follow-up. TenPoundHammer 03:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the singles should be all in one list on the main page, instead of her Top 25 hits being on one page and her lower hits being on the Discography page. It's just easier that way -- plus, just about every other artist page on Wikipedia is set up that way. TenPoundHammer 02:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have just gone back and taken all of her singles off the Discography page, and moved them to the main page. As I stated above, just about every artist on Wikipedia has all of their singles listed on the main page, so for the sake of consistency, I have placed all of Sara's singles to date on her page. This also allows others to view how each single has done on the charts (for instance, "Coalmine", mentioned above). Please, nobody revert this change. Yes, I realize that she's had several singles, but it's not the longest of lists - compare it to, say, Garth Brooks' list of singles. TenPoundHammer 02:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Some of the information on the song "As If" , I don't feel, should have been posted on here, as it has been taken from her fan club, and thus, was only supposed to be for fan club memebers, not the public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by happychick13 (talk • contribs)
- Artists post stuff on their fan club sites all the time. That information is not meant to be for the members only. It gets out and published all over. Wikipedia is no different. There is nothing wrong in my opinion with the info that was posted. My only concern would be if it belongs in an encyclopeadic context. --Renrenren 18:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it is only for fan club members - Otherwise, why isn't it posted in the free area of her site then? I just think that it's wrong to post her comments about the song, and that kind of stuff, because she posted those comments for the fan club members, not for the public otherwise she would have realsed a statement then.—Preceding unsigned comment added by happychick13 (talk • contribs)
- THat is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Unfortunately, stuff that happens in fanclubs does not STAY in fanclubs. Info gets released all the time, even if it is on an unofficial basis. Fanclubs are mostly there for merchandise and ticket sales and are not always used by artists to communicate with their fans. Although I hear that Sara does keep in touch through the FC. --Renrenren 00:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Sara Evans' Controversy
I have included facts from the latest news story that cited Sara Evans as having almost a dozen affairs including Richard Marx, Kenny Chesney, Tony Dovolani, and the members of the rock group Three Doors Down. This edit is in no way a defamation of character to Evans; it was just a newsworthy fact that needed to be added to the article. The edit was cited and linked appropriately. --Candy156sweet 18:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I have changed it slightly, as Three Doors Down has commented on it, and stated that the allegations are unture. (HowIFeel 09:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs)
- I cited your work and made some slight copy editing to the piece. I hope that you don't mind. Take care and have a fantastic weekend.... --Candy156sweet 17:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Attempt at major overhaul
I'm new to the talk page. Until today, I didn't know there was one!
I wanted to let everyone know that I have spent this entire summer working on a complete revision of this article. I'd like to go into all my reasons for doing it, but it'd take too long. I finished the project today, and this was my first time coming back to the page since about the second week in May.
It scares me a little that there are so many flags on the current article, especially the one about the "2005-present" section being too long (when I know it's shorter than it was a few months ago!). Wait till they see my "2000-2004" section -- all 13 paragraphs! (Heck, the articles on game shows like Pyramid and Family Feud have an astounding amount of detail. Three paragraphs on changes in the color of the set in the 1970's? Where are the flags on that?)
I do understand the flag about improving the quality; not to brag, but that would be accomplished for sure! That was my main objective. I wrote my revision in the style of a newspaper or magazine story, so overall, it would be about 8-10 times longer than it is now, and yes, there would be verifiability issues with some statements. Or is the length not really an issue so long as things are broken down into more sections, maybe?
I guess what I'm asking is, now that I've done all this writing, what do I do with it? I need to share it with someone!
Cresty 01:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- The idea is not to completely rewrite an article but to improve upon it. Take some of what you've written and start putting it in one section at a time... allow some time for people to read over it and to improve upon it as well. This is a collaborative effort. The last thing one would want is for the article to be completely replaced with what you have written as that would show little respect for those who have contributed thus far. --Renrenren 02:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
A recommended Change. - Go view the "Born to Fly" video. The watch one or all of 3 proceeding videos - "No Place That Far", "Fool, I'm a Woman" and "That's the Beat of a Heart". Then note the birth date of here first child's - Avery Jack (born August 21, 1999)- I don't know the filming date for the videos - but her appearance in "Born to Fly" is liek lot of time in a gym and or a personal trainer (then add in the first child). Unsure appropriateness of this fact on main page, or where or how to work it i. Wfoj2 (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Fixing Sources (references)
The number one problem is the scattered incorrect manner that sources were cited in this article. I'm going to go through the article and fix them appropriately. There are many facts within this article that still need to be cited, and I hope that others will take part to fix that problem. Some of the linked sources do not exist on the net anymore, and other sources should be sought out to support the text in the article. There is a great deal of grammar checking that needs to be done as well. I think that the discography should be included in the article. There is no excuse for it not being there. --Candy156sweet 19:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I went through the article and cleaned up some of the sections. I cited and removed duplicate information, replaced facts in the appropriate section on the page, and did some grammar correction. I wanted to make sure that I mentioned this to remove any confusion about this work. --Candy156sweet 21:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Cleaned Up Article
I organized the biography, adding and moving sentences and putting them into appropriately-made paragraphs, so the article is more organized. For the controversy and personal section, I got rid of the bullets, so it didn't look like a trivia section, and put it into paragraphs, so it is more organized. I removed my grammatical mistakes. I got rid of the tag on top of the page, being I think I organized the biography appropriately, and also got rid of the tag about the references, being there are 16 references there, that should be plenty for this sized article. - Dottiewest1fan 21:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Separate part for Television stuff?
Hi I was wondering if we should have a separate part on this page for the stuff Sara does on TV. She often goes on different programs (Like reality shows) so maybe it could be something to add so it's easier to read or something? (HowIFeel 09:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs)
According to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNrK-MobHo 2:00 onwards her full name is Sara Evans-Barker. Can someone verify that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Her name is Sara Evans, althought she married Jay Barker. As far as stage name n all goes, she is still just Sara Evans whether or not she added his last name to hers. Not needed. CloversMallRat (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Would you care to explain a little bit? This is my favorite song and Sara Evans is my favorite artist, and I've never heard anyone suggest that its being sung with two different accents. I'm curious as to what you mean. CloversMallRat (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- I'm Ontarian. So Shania, from Timmins, Ont., talks like me.
- But Shania has never to my knowledge sung in anything remotely like a Canadian accent. She adopts a "country music accent" where she stops saying "out" the way I do.
- Back to our Sara. In the video for that song, her character (herself?) speaks more than once in the US accent that is most like the most common Cdn accent (which used to be called Heartland in Cdn linguistics). I don't know what the US term for that particular accent is.
- Then when she sings the actual song, she uses her regular accent that we've known from CD for years.
- So, what, if anything, is real here? Is the non-singing video character an adopted accent? Or is that how she really speaks?
- I had an Illinois accent as a boy 50 years ago. I'm expecting to hear something different from Sara if she's a Missouri girl.
- I happened to be at the Toronto Film Festival last weekend, and Jason Statham, the Transporter, was there, having his photo taken with fans.
- His accent, speaking to fans, seemed identical to what we hear in the movies.
- So I was wondering, what is the situation here with the lovely Sara.
- Varlaam (talk) 20:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Per the note in the header, above—This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.—this is a venue to talk about article content, and not for fans to discuss the article subject (except as it relates to settling content-related issues). 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
…the strong statement can be accurately sourced.
The following text regarding refutation of a divorce claim is based on a citation with the seeming unrelated title "Joe Nichols Marries by Candlelight..."; more troubling is the fact that the strong text content was declared a dead link three years ago, and its content has not been and cannot be verified. For these reasons, the statement and reference were moved here to Talk, to allow interested editors to substantiate the content (and if so, return it to the article). As a BLP (both with respect to the article subject, and her spouse), unsubstantiated and unverifiable material cannot remain in place for years. Here is the redacted text:
- "and Kirt Webster, a spokesman for the rock band 3 Doors Down, stated that the accusations are "ludicrous" and "untrue" and that the band members "are saddened by what she's going through".
Here is the redacted source, minus the ref…/ref apparatus:
- "Joe Nichols Marries by Candlelight in an old Georgia Chapel". The Tennessean. Retrieved 2007-09-15. [dead link]
Edit to Divorce paragraph
I went to this article to understand a recent report of a settled lawsuit in Schelske v Hollins, and found the article section on the divorce incomplete, and with limited clear content regarding the claims and counterclaims of the legal action.
I therefore made the following editorial changes:
- added the missing "temporary" to text appearances of Evans' requested temporary restraining orders, and the one listed was increased to two (since at least two are documented), and a sentence was added indicating that the final (post-temporary) outcome of these legal matters were unclear from published reports;
- expanded and so balanced the claims and counter claims from reports of both claimants' divorce filings;
- stated the multiple, but reduced the seemingly prurient list of the infidelities that Evans was accused to a single one, the one where there was further report of a response by the named individual (Chesney); other cases are simply unsubstantiated disparagements of other living persons character, and with a nod to BLP, I suggest that there is no need to list them all just because they are celebrity names with Wikipedia articles (esp. without research into their possible published responses); and
- added text and citations regarding the Schelske-Hollins lawsuit and its outcome (financial settlement and apology).
This of course can use further attention, but these are the facts as far as I can see them in published sources. All information is verifiable, though, as this is from the celebrity genre of journalism (since secondary sources, and not primary legal sources, are desired by Wikipedia), there is always room for further careful scrutiny. Note I have no relationship or fealty to either party, but am simply trying to relate, with balance, the published information that appears on the subject (where the Schelske v Hollins matter, in particular, was unreported here). Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)