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Edit war over Bagumba, inserting "While" into opening of second sentence.[edit]

We are splitting hairs here, why is better to have "While"? that sounds like you are making a case for defending the fact he lied to the arresting officer since he later changed his mind.

For instance, which of the two sentences sounds more neutral?

"Bagumba walked to the store and spat out his gum on the floor, but later on picked it up"

"While Bagumba walked to the store and spat out his gum on the floor, he later picked it up".

Hopefully, the former since it is not adding a qualifier for his actions. We are splitting hairs here, if you are making the argument that it's over grammatical correctness please explain how my revision is not grammatically correct. You added the part of him claiming to not hear the police as the introductory sentence of the section even though it's mentioned already in the article ad nauseum. Keep in mind, I'm not fighting you on that but can we agree on keeping the language as encyclopedic and neutral as possible? All I ask, hope you don't take this to heart you are a good editor. Pformenti (talk) 06:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

You made edits without an edit summary that removed "while", leaving two complete sentences separated by a comma. Poor grammar. I reverted you. Once. You are mistaking WP:BRD for an "edit war". By your latest edit, you have now added "but" in between. Your edit summary includes a curious please stop reverting, give it a rest. This is not your article, nor is it anyone's fault but your own that you forgot "but" and didn't leave an edit summary. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 06:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
You added the part of him claiming to not hear the police: There was no issues brought up at #Not hearing police. I've removed it, and left the part about thinking they were intruders.—Bagumba (talk) 06:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay thank you Pformenti (talk) 06:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

"Have" or "has" is not as important as actually providing a reference[edit]

@NonReproBlue and AlsoWukai: have been to and froing over whether a statement in the article should say "None of the officers involved in the raid have been charged in Taylor's death" or "None of the officers involved in the raid has been charged in Taylor's death". Unless a reference is found to actually support the statement, it will be removed anyway. The current reference does not support it. 04:47, 4 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moriori (talkcontribs)

The citation in the lead says None of the three officers were directly charged in Taylor's death.[1] There's another source in the body as well.—Bagumba (talk) 05:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh, so it does. Belay that. Now, about "have" or "has".... Moriori (talk) 05:33, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's "have", very odd thing to edit war over though lol. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 06:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Depending on the context it can be either (although to my ear "none has" will always sound weird). In this context however, "have" is correct, and is in line with the source which uses the plural "were". If the source said "was", there would be a better argument for "has". I would be open to listening to a compelling argument as to why I am wrong, but simply reverting with an edit summary of "no" is not a compelling argument. NonReproBlue (talk) 08:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Agree that "no" is a poor edit summary, but it doesn't justify constantly reverting over the topic. —Bagumba (talk) 06:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
So having explained my position in edit summary, explained my position here, shown that it is in line with the source, and it gets reverted either with "no" or now no edit summary at all (and a somewhat deceptive "minor" edit flag) and no participation here (where at least one other editor has agreed "have" is correct), are you saying that what I should do is just ignore it and allow the incorrect, inappropriately reverted change to stand indefinitely? How is that the correct solution, and how am I the one in the wrong here? NonReproBlue (talk) 07:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Discuss here, as you have been doing since Moriori started this thread, and establish consensus. You can also refer to WP:AVOIDEDITWAR. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 08:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Renaming Page to 'Killing of Breonna Taylor'[edit]

Formal move request opened below at #Requested move 23 April 2021Bagumba (talk) 03:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  • Support - Part of WikiProject Death to create more consistent naming conventions around deaths per WP:DEATHS. 'Shooting of...' 'Stabbing of...' etc. should only be used when the person in question did not die. Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 22:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – This was proposed a few months ago, and there was not a consensus to rename it then. With that being said, it might be okay to reconsider it now -- though perhaps it would be better to go through the Requested Move process. The previous discussion is at Talk:Shooting of Breonna Taylor/Archive 4#Requested move 27 October 2020. Mudwater (Talk) 01:28, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
    @Combefere: Agree with Mudwater that it's best to make a formal WP:RM request. Without it, someone will likely contest any consensus reached on this thread, especially since this a highly visible page on a contentious topic. You would then be forced to do an RM anyways, essentially duplicatng the discussion again. For your reference, the last move request is at Talk:Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor/Archive_4#Requested_move_27_October_2020. Your rationale seem slightly different. —Bagumba (talk) 08:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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Requested move 23 April 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 19:33, 30 April 2021 (UTC)



Shooting of Breonna TaylorKilling of Breonna Taylor – Per WP:DEATHS: 'Shooting of...' 'Stabbing of...' etc. should only be used when the person in question did not die. This convention was published as part of WikiProject Death in December 2020 to establish a neutral and consistent naming convention around deaths on Wikipedia, and did not exist during the last RM for this page in October 2020. All killings by police officers listed on Wikipedia since December 2020 have adopted this naming convention, including Duante Wright, Ma'Khia Bryant, Christan Hall, Adam Toledo, Dolal Idd, Andre Hill, and more. Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 12:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment, but per WP:DEATHS there should be a conviction for murder before pages are named as such, otherwise we run into issues with WP:BLP. The Murder of George Floyd was recently renamed from Killing of George Floyd, only after the conviction of Derrick Chauvin. Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 13:37, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2021[edit]

x when white plainclothes officers

y when plainclothes officers


remove the word "white" from the above sentence as it was clearly written by someone who is racist against white people. Noisany76 (talk) 15:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: It reflects the WP:WEIGHT of sources that race of the officers is oft-mentioned in reliable sources.—Bagumba (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The reasoning of entering the home[edit]

Police say that they had a complaint but no one seem say where it was coming from. The "White" police men said that they had to check Taylors room but didnt have a warrent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.16.99.84 (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

If you're suggesting for a change in the article, you will need to present a reliable source that supports it.—Bagumba (talk) 03:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)