Talk:Sia (musician)

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Personal life[edit]

It's an encyclopedia. Are all the details needed?Xx236 (talk) 09:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Check some of the sources, esp. the New York Times article, she talks quite openly about those things. Feel free to rewrite some of it though. Karst (talk) 10:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I do believe we should include the fact that she is 6 years sober as of September 10th, 2016 (I apologize if I am not using this feature properly, I just want to mention that it should be noted as a Sia super-fan LOL) Soapykitten (talk) 06:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

If you have a WP:RS that states that information, please let us know. See also WP:V for more information. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

She performed "How to Breathe" on the Australian soap opera "Home and Away" in 1997 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Separation; Non-notable spouse in infobox[edit]

I've updated the article to show the separation. I also removed the parameter for Spouse from the infobox, as the spouse is not notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

"Angel By the Wings"[edit]

It seems to me like all of the songs that Sia has cowritten/written or covered/sung for movie or documentary soundtracks such as "One Candle" have been put in the "Life and Career" section of the page as opposed to the "Other Ventures" section where "Angel By the Wings" has been put. It seems that the "Other Ventures" had been reserved for the projects she had done that did not involve singing/songwriting and I feel it would work better for the consistency of the page for the bit about that song ("Sia wrote and recorded "Angel By the Wings", the title song for the documentary film The Eagle Huntress, which premiered in 2016 at the Sundance Film Festival.") to be put in the "Life and Career" section. Soapykitten (talk) 07:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Her "career" is as a singer and songwriter. The "Other ventures" section is specifically for things other than singing and songwriting. So, if I understand what you are saying above, I disagree. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2016[edit]

Please add in that she never shows her face. (talk) 00:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The article already mentions that in several places and also discusses her wigs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Zero 7 are English, from England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 10 April 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:53, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Sia FurlerSia (musician) – Okay, I get that this has been discussed a billion times now, but I really think at this point, it is perfectly appropriate to revert the article back to "Sia (musician)". Most of my reasons are in agreement with the successful move request from November 2014, and she is definitely just known by her first name, Sia, per WP:COMMONNAME. I saw that the move request back to "Sia Furler" in April 2015 mentioned that her last name is sometimes used in news articles, but at this point, I think very few people really know that her last name is Furler because she just goes by her first name when it comes to music. It has been two years since the last move request, and in that time she has had even bigger hit songs, such as "Cheap Thrills" and "The Greatest". Plus, her discography page is titled Sia discography, not "Sia Furler discography". So therefore, I think now is the right time to get rid of Sia's last name from the article title and replace it with "(musician)". (talk) 04:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I do not have a dog in this race, but may I ask: Who would change all the links to Sia Furler? There are more than 1,000 of them. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, the links would still work, via a redirect. In terms of what name other articles actually display, while consistency would be nice, if some aren't changed they'll still get you to the same point even if nobody changes them. So it's not really an argument that can be used against the proposed move, which I would support. Jellyman (talk) 10:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I think it's irresponsible to change article names without changing all the links immediately afterwards. If you change an article name, you are undertaking to personally correct all the links. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Well if the page gets moved, I think it would be right to change whatever links you can. But I wouldn't worry about going through all that trouble until the page is actually moved, because this isn't about fixing the links. (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Dear IP, your response shows that you do not understand the seriousness of what you are asking us to do. This is not a trivial matter, and I don't see you committing to do the hard work of cleaning up after the name change. Therefore, I am going to oppose the page move until you can assure me that someone will take responsibility for updating all the links after the move. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh okay, then I sincerely apologize to you and I will do my best to fix the links. (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, SSilvers, I fail to understand your problem here. I say again: redirects exist! The links will still work! What will happen that is so terrible if the page is moved? Jellyman (talk) 23:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support as per nom & COMMONNAME - Obviously she's known as Sia and having it as "(musician)" also stops the RMs if she gets married - So it turns out this was originally moved in 2016 per this discussion and somehow I was unaware of it all - The previous discussion wasn't an RM so therefore as a procedural thing this should be moved back to Sia (musician) and IMHO all 6 participants in the non-RM should be made to fix the links.Davey2010Talk 23:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)(updated 00:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC))
    @Davey2010: Nope, it was moved per proper, if closely contested, /Archive 2#Requested move 5. Where you participated, too. No such user (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Not sure what happened there - I could've swore I saw "not moved" unless I was looking at the wrong one!, No idea but clearly I was wrong so have struck, Thanks for noticing the odd cock up. –Davey2010Talk 15:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Mononymous performers, who are sufficiently notable to become unchallenged subjects of Wikipedia entries, should be listed under the stage name which they use as their public persona (Madonna (entertainer), rather than Madonna Ciccone). Another such current nomination is Kim Yeri‎ →‎ Yeri. Not all of these type of nominations succeed, however, two recent ones failed to obtain consensus — Svetlana Loboda‎ →‎ Loboda and another one (Bethany Dillon‎ →‎ Bethany Barnard), which centered upon a name change, but not mononymity. Although I support this nomination on general principle, it would seem that a more-precise qualifier would be Sia (singer) per some of the previous nominations, above. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Not known at all with the surname. I usually prefer natural disambiguation, but this seems like a pretty obvious place to avoid it. If I were to show someone the title "Sia Furler" I would definitely bet they wouldn't recognize it. "Sia (singer)" or similar makes it far more clear it's the musician. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:20, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NATURALDIS. Her last name is widely recognizable and used in reliable sources,[1] so it's suitable natural disambiguation, which is generally preferable to parentheses.--Cúchullain t/c 19:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Sia Furler on Google News has 24,200 results whereas Sia has 9,070,000 results so although both are recognised the latter is by far the one used the most, That said not every RM goes by pageviews either. –Davey2010Talk 20:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, "Sia" is the most used, but it's not available due to other things called Sia. The question is whether her last name is widely used enough to serve as natural disambiguation. I'd say so, as it's appearing in tens of thousands of news sources.--Cúchullain t/c 21:29, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose per previous RM. The last name is used because it is a natural disambiguation where it is Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. As previously stated in numerous RMs (and in this discussion) the artist is known as Sia Furler in numerous sources and this does not have to be more commonly than the usage of Sia, alone. WP:COMMONNAME falls down, in this instance, as (musician) is not a natural disambiguation. It is also in dispute with (singer), which is counter-proposed above (and previously). The artist has performed, written and produced work using the name Sia Furler. She is more than a (musician), more than a (singer) and Furler naturally shows the differences between her and other types of Sia. As for changing her last name if she marries again, it does not mean we change the wikipage: when married to Erik Anders Lang how often was she referred to as Sia Lang?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support The last name is not a natural disambiguation, but makes the page even more ambiguous. Who knows the family name? The most of the people searching for Sia, specially for the first time, don't know it and learn it from here! They just know how she's called on the radio, on the media and on the cover of her CSs, so the best way to make the voice not ambiguous is to append "musician" to her Mononymous. --Angelo Mascaro (talk) 05:30, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support She is known internationally as "Sia" and not "Sia Furler" and thus should be titled as suchGuyb123321 (talk) 12:37, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support for the same reason Beyonce is not listed at Beyonce Knowles. Unreal7 (talk) 00:27, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Regardless of whether her surname is "fairly often used" per WP:NCP or not, I still think using "(musician)" is not as convenient as "Furler". If sources matter, The National, Sydney Morning Herald, and Contact Music use it. So do books: [2][3][4][5][6]. I am astonished that supporters still favor "(musician)", even when "Sia" is widely used name for the singer/musician. --George Ho (talk) 05:05, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
From the link you supply @George Ho:: «Only if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym, etc.) can the recommendations of Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens below be followed.» and this is exactly the case. --Angelo Mascaro (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Umm... no longer opposing after re-reading the WP:NCP. Using the Prince example, "Sia (musician)" would be more pleasing, even when not convenient, to many people. Still, after the failed attempt to change from "(musician)" to "(singer)", I wonder whether most people will still see her as a "musician". The 2015 RM result was "not moved", yet the votes were divided. I still think "Furler" is the best compromise, but I guess it's no longer pleasing the masses. --George Ho (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - Looking over the previous discussions any designation in brackets means further endless discussion. Personally I do not understand why. See for instance Sting (musician), an artist who also writes music and has acted in a number of films. The designation in brackets needs to highlight what the artist is notable for. If that cannot be agreed upon, I suppose that the current status with the surname is the best compromise. Unless there are other suggestions? Karst (talk) 08:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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