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Is it known whether the name was originally translated by the British or the French? Deipnosophista (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, but can try some OR. The OED says,

[tr. Cree awahkān captive, slave; the disyllabic Eng. forms reflect a local jargon var. with Fr. suffix -ais.]

though it doesn't say if that was an actual borrowing from the French, or coinage by analogy.

However, the earliest attestations are all monosyllabic (1789: "Slave Lake ... Slave Indians", 1801 "whom they called slaves ... name of the Slave River", 1851 "the timid Slave or Hare Indians are sacrificed". Slavé doesn't come in until Bancroft 1875, Slavi 1890.

The 1789 ref cites a "Mr. Leroux",

Mr. Leroux arrived on the 22nd March from the other side of Slave Lake where he had seen a great number of Red Knives and Slave Indians.

though that would be too late to be the origin of the name, since it was a letter and the writer evidently expected his reader to know who was meant. — kwami (talk) 16:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

more original research in the course of ongoing wheedling.Skookum1 (talk) 02:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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very short stub --Skookum1 (10 May 06)

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Requested move 12 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Move not supported per WP:COMMONNAME (no evidence provided either way) and concerns that the proposed name wouldn't have the same scope as the current one. (non-admin closure) Vpab15 (talk) 11:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Slavey → Deh cho (people) – It's nonsensical that such a name is used primarily; imagine if all the conquered people historically were called this, but they're not, and since a native name exists why not use that? Otherwise we might end up with a situation where 99% of people are called this and only the 1% aren't, which would be a disambiguating nonsense to say the least... 2.97.151.50 (talk) 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Per WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:IDENTITY, you need to cite reliable sources that prefer this term. We don't automatically use the endonym. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 02:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Like gov sites? Also, this isn't just any exonym, it'd be like if for every other people only insults were used to define them. That site doesn't have a single mention of this word (nor does the TV series, as the article says). --2.97.151.50 (talk) 07:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If your reasoning for this move is that "Slavey" is a slur, you need to cite sources. I'll also note that the link you provided seems to refer specifically to the Dehcho First Nations, and doesn't establish that this term applies to all First Nations described at Slavey. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support While the move request is not well sourced a quick look at the refs in the article show that 'Dene Cho' or "Dene Tha' are used in reliable sources namely teh census [1], consulting reaserch [2] and more imp[ortantly that they refer to themselves as 'Dehcho Dene' [3]. The claim 'salvey is derogatory is supported by the cbc article [4] and that consulting research—blindlynx (talk) 16:13, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We already have articles at Dene Tha' First Nation and Dehcho First Nations. What is missing is whether Deh cho (people) is an accurate qualifier for both (as well as Fort Nelson First Nation.) The census link suggests "Dene Tha" is synonymous with Slavey. The pdf also refers only to "Dene Tha'". The third link is the Dehcho First Nations website, so that doesn't establish anything in regards to the other groups. And the fourth link offers only some testimonials of people who say they dislike being associated with the name, it's not a scholarly source. Based on this, Oppose. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 21:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't disagree with a move but Deh cho (people) isn't correct. I can't find a use for a small c in Deh Cho. There are several possible names but I can't see one that is fully inclusive. There is Dehcho (it's a redirect to Deh Cho), Dehcho people (here), Dene Tha, Dehcho Dene and Deh Cho Dene. The Government of the NWT has the Dehcho Region but also use North Slave Region and the South Slave Region and both North and South Slavey are official languages. Note that none of them are thought useful as redirects except Dehcho. Given that Dehcho is the name for the Mackenzie River it is not very likely the Fort Nelson First Nation think of themselves as Deh Cho people. They say they are Slavey/Cree. The same would apply to the Dene Tha' First Nation of Alberta. As far as I can see the only name that would include all of the peoples are Slavey or Dene. Of course if someone can find sources that cover everyone then that would be fine. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 17:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Shutah Dene

The Shutah Dene, who are members of the [Ross River Dena Council] in the Yukon, are Mountain Slavey people living to the west of the [Mackenzie Mountains]. they should be included in the article. Luigizanasi (talk) 21:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]