Talk:Super Mario Galaxy

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Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Cleanup : The plot summary needs to be reduced, and long paragraphs throughout the article need to be broken up.
  • Copyedit : Ensure that all external references utilize the features of {{cite web}} and other related templates.
  • Expand : The history/development section is extremely sparse right now.
  • Wikify : The main text needs additional wikilinks, particularly to non-VG topics.
Former good article nominee Super Mario Galaxy was a Video games good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Untitled[edit]

Sources[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Archive stuff[edit]

http://www.nintendo.com/sites/supermariogalaxy/swf/shell.swf WhisperToMe (talk) 04:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Super Mario Galaxy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lord Roem (talk) 19:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  • I will review this article over the weekend. Regards, Lord Roem (talk) 19:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Section by section review[edit]

Images

  • Are in well-placed locations and abide by the criteria.

Lead

  • Everything's fine here, although the in-line cites may not be needed if sourced later in the article.

Infobox

  • Good.

Gameplay-Premise and Setting

  • First paragraph completely lacking of cites.
  • Again, second paragraph lacking of cites.
  • A bit confused here - do all the special stars play the level on a time limit?

Gameplay-Controls

  • Explain if any of these controls are new.
  • Cites!

Gameplay-Power ups and lives

  • "He can also jump higher and run faster" - incorporate this into a previous sentence
  • Some of the details seem a bit repetitive and a bit unclear. Try removing extraneous material as the article sometimes goes off on a tangent.

Gameplay-multiplayer

  • I suppose its ok.

Plot

....

Concluding Thoughts

  • I am not going to go through the remaining paragraphs/sections until the citation issues with the first half are resolved. Because of this problem, inflated by overarching issues I describe below, I am going to have to quick-fail this nomination.
    • Issues of prose -- at many points the article seems written in the perspective of a gamer and not a more...universal view.
    • Lack of clarity -- many instances where small details are inflated
    • Citations

If you have any questions about this, please direct them to my talk page. I am moving to fail the nomination, as explained above.

Result: Not listed. -- Lord Roem (talk) 22:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

GAN quick-failed[edit]

Comparing at the version of the article from the last GA nomination with that of the current version. There is very little difference between the two, which means that very little has been done to address the concerns from the previous two failed GA nominations. As such, I am quick-failing this present GA nomination and removing it from the current list of nominations. I strongly suggest expanding the article and attempting to fix the concerns from Talk:Super Mario Galaxy/GA1 before nominating again. As always, copyedit requests and peer reviews are recommended after expansions have been done and previous problems remedied. –MuZemike 04:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Considering the nominator had only ever made one single minor edit to this article previously, I'm not surprised the nomination failed. Яehevkor 12:32, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Super Mario Universe re-direct[edit]

I think we need a discussion on what to do with Super Mario Universe as a re-direct here. In my opinion:

  • Super Mario Galaxy 3 will be released this upcoming fall 2013.
  • A few years later, Nintendo will reveal a sequel whose working title is Super Mario Galaxy 4, but later it turns out that they'll actually title it Super Mario Universe. (This parallels the story in which Super Mario Bros. 4 was re-titled Super Mario World.

So I'm against this re-direct. Any thoughts?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

So you're against this redirect based on complete speculation? Okay. No. Яehevkor 00:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Do plenty of Mario fans speculate incorrectly that this game's title is Super Mario Universe?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not for speculation or making predictions. I already discussed this with you a few weeks ago. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
But now I'm discussing whether Super Mario Universe is a sensible re-direct; and I'm explaining why I'm against it. Georgia guy (talk) 01:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Which is based on complete speculation. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
It's good speculation; some people make not-so-good speculation on the future of Mario IMO. But remember that the actual subject here is whether Super Mario Universe is a sensible re-direct here. An answer of "yes" requires the story of the future of the Mario franchise to be that there never will be a Mario game that this is the actual title of. Georgia guy (talk) 01:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
"Good" speculation or not, it's not allowed. It's not worthwhile to accommodate games that don't even exist. No. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
But the re-direct to this article suggests that the game exists; merely as an alternate title of this game. Georgia guy (talk) 01:14, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Are you assuming a game exists based solely on a redirect on Wikipedia? That is without a doubt one of the worst arguments for a game's existence. If I make a redirect called "Super Mario Starstorm" does that means that game exists too? No. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
But what does the re-direct actually mean about that title. If it means nothing, we can't have it. Georgia guy (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Speculation is speculation. It has no place here. Acting based on what Nintendo might do in several years time? Okay. Still no. Яehevkor 01:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
But how does this re-direct make sense?? Georgia guy (talk) 01:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't know. Do you have any suggestions that aren't based on speculation? Perhaps the redirect should be deleted entirely. Яehevkor 01:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
That was my proposal, to delete the re-direct and not re-create it until there's official info on an actual Mario game with that title. Georgia guy (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Your proposal was nonsense. If your proposal was the deletion of the redirect I'd have listened. The venue you are looking for is WP:RFD. Яehevkor 01:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
If your proposal was simply "I suggest deleting 'Super Mario Universe' because there are no reliable sources that support any correlation with the two titles," then it would have made sense. An argument for "We should accommodate games that don't exist yet" doesn't fly. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 01:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, please note that this discussion has been made obsolete because contrary to my prediction at that time, the Mario game for this fall is Super Mario 3D World, not Super Mario Galaxy 3. Georgia guy (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

It was pretty moot to begin with. Also, you nominated Super Mario Universe for deletion but it doesn't seem to be listed at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion? Яehevkor 14:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
And this is why you don't make proposals based on pure speculation. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 14:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

External link to walkthrough[edit]

I would like some consensus as to whether the article should have a link to the game's walkthrough on GameFAQs. The link was undone without explanation so I think it's better to discuss why or why not this link should be on the article. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 03:06, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

This is the link in question. It is a detailed walkthrough on how to play and make it through the game. I linked to this page, but I don't know if it's any better. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 03:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

GameFAQs is not a reliable source, as it relies on user-submitted content. Any links to GameFAQs are not appropriate. In any case, game guides in general are inappropriate on Wikipedia. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a place to advertise walkthroughs. Also Wikipedia in general is not a walkthrough. IF you want to post walkthroughs you should go to a wikia instead. NathanWubs (talk) 09:41, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah.. Gamefaqs guides are self published and opening the flood gates there would be a disaster. Game guide information simply isn't something Wikipedia caters for. Яehevkor 10:06, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Wired src[edit]

Wow—this article's reception is tiny. Anyway, came upon http://www.wired.com/2008/01/god-of-war-dire/ and thought it might interesting to include in a sentence. I am no longer watching this page—whisperback if you'd like a response czar  22:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

the (third) highest reviewed game of all time.[edit]

There is a problem with the source for this, hence the flip-flop edits of the last day or so. In this list SMG is listed as the highest rated game, but the game's article lists it the third highest. The GameRankings list hasn't got games for positions 1, 2 and 5 so I think we'll have to tread carefully with it as a reliable source. - X201 (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I noticed the discrepancy as well. Perhaps we should bring the issue to the attention of others at WT:VG, as it seems to be relevant to the other games on GameRankings' All-Time Best list: Ocarina of Time, for instance, is ranked second on the All-Time Best list, but fourth on its individual page. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is also ranked inconsistently. Thanks, zziccardi (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
It's back to 3rd in both sources now. Яehevkor 18:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Not for me. It's still 1 and 3 when I check it. - X201 (talk) 19:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Same here. —zziccardi (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Weird, tried it in every browser, shows as 3/3. It did show 1/3 last time I checked previously near the start of this mess. Яehevkor 20:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I checked out the links. Turns out this one uses the minimum 20 reviews, while the one sourced in the article uses >5 reviews (per the search box) which GameRankings uses in their overall rank. Rockysmile11(talk) 21:30, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I originally thought that as well but then I noticed that it's not universally true; SMG2 shows up as 5th when you select >5 reviews in the list, but its page has it at 6th. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 22:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
You're right. Guess there is an issue with the rankings then. Rockysmile11(talk) 22:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Unless GameRankings says which list is their definitive list, I don't think we should use any list as their definitive list. There is too much variance between them. It should be generalized to say "among GameRankings's top-ranked games", or removed. Alternatively, someone could cite someone who has made a declaration about GameRankings's ranking of the game. – czar 00:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 Works for me, although there should be a hyphen between top and ranked if everyone is fine with that option. —zziccardi (talk) 01:51, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
It's been more than a month and GameRankings' numbers are still inconsistent, so I went ahead and made the (hopefully non-controversial) change. —zziccardi (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Super Mario Galaxy/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 15:09, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I will review this. MWright96 (talk) 15:09, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Premise and setting[edit]

  • Celestial Object, Gravitional force and Wii Message Board are dab links
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • "that provide access to the forty-two galaxies available in the game" - forty-two should be in number form for consistency
  • Good catch. JAGUAR  18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Controls[edit]

  • Ice skating is a dab link
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Power-ups and lives[edit]

  • Health meter and checkpoint are dab links
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Plot[edit]

  • Mushroom Kingdom is linked twice
  • Removed. JAGUAR  18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Remove the outer space wikilink since its already in the gameplay section
  • Removed. JAGUAR  18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Development[edit]

  • Remove both links to outer space
  • Done. JAGUAR  18:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • " life meter to 3 from 8" - spell out 3 and 8
  • Done. JAGUAR  18:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • "Miyamoto thought that it was too easy and lacked insensitivity, asserting that a game loses its excitement when it is made too easy." - reptition of too easy
  • Rephrased. JAGUAR  18:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • "Shimizu also had a negative reaction to the idea. Shimizu" - usage of "Shimizu" in close proximity
  • Fixed. JAGUAR  18:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • "Iwata noted that Mario's Bee Suit was popular with women, and also stated that Mario's other suits were designed to add variations to the gameplay." - the character would be better to avoid reptition
  • Done, thanks. JAGUAR  18:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Music[edit]

  • "Yokota almost quit his job," - quit is American style spelling
  • Yeah, perhaps. I've used "resigned" instead. JAGUAR  18:49, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • "in contrast to the tropical sounds of Super Mario Bros.. " - remove the second full stop

Reception[edit]

  • " stating that the control schemes more subtle and persuasive as opposed to the "vigorous literalism" of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess." - missing "were"
  • Good catch! JAGUAR  18:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

References[edit]

  • Reference 29 is dead
  • Wayback Machine couldn't find it, so I had to remove it. JAGUAR  18:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
  • References 59 and 60 are lacking access dates
  • Added. JAGUAR  18:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Overall very-well written. Possibly one of your best works. On hold for now. MWright96 (talk) 18:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

@MWright96: thanks for the review, and the compliment! I've addressed all of the issues. I might even consider taking this to FA, which I strangely wasn't aiming for. JAGUAR  18:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
@Jaguar: Best of luck if you choose the FA route. Promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2016 (UTC)