Talk:Thomas Jefferson

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Former good article Thomas Jefferson was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
June 25, 2006 Good article nominee Listed
June 15, 2008 Peer review Reviewed
September 3, 2009 Good article reassessment Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Request for Comment[edit]

Should this article state, "He [TJ] was also profoundly interested in the writings of the French philosopher and historian Voltaire and owned seven works by the author"?

  • No. This is added into the introductory paragraph of the section "Political philosophy and views" and given greater weight than the undisputed influence Locke, Bacon, and Newton had on his thinking. We do not have reliable sources that say Voltaire significantly influenced TJ's political philosophy and views. Please see my rebuttal just above to Gwillhickers' references in his defense of adding (and restoring after my revert) that sentence. YoPienso (talk) 02:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Waste of time for a minor detail. The adjective "profoundly" was removed from the sentence, even though this is how the Library of Congress, the source used for the sentence, offered this content. I believe this is a fair compromise. Btw, people and the things that influenced Jefferson belong in the intro' paragraph/section. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Gwillhickers that the removal of the word "profoundly" is a fair compromise.--JayJasper (talk) 18:48, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2015[edit]

Please change this text: The third of ten children, Thomas Jefferson was born on April 13, 1743 (April 2, 1743 OS) at the family home, in a one and a half story farmhouse in Shadwell, not far from Richmond and the Virginia wilderness.

to

The third of ten children, Thomas Jefferson was born on April 13, 1743 (April 2, 1743 OS) at the family home, in a one and a half story farmhouse in Shadwell, not far from Charlottesville and in the Virginia wilderness.

The historical marker noting the event is found here:

http://www.markerhistory.com/shadwell-birthplace-of-thomas-jefferson-marker-w-202/

The distance from Charlottesville to Richmond is noted here:

http://www.distancebetweencities.net/richmond_va_and_charlottesville_va/


WanderingWahoo (talk) 17:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: What about a compromise of: "The third of ten children, Thomas Jefferson was born on April 13, 1743 (April 2, 1743 OS) at the family home, in a one and a half story farmhouse in Shadwell, not far from Richmond or Charlottesville and the Virginia wilderness"? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 18:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I've driven there, It is close to Charlottesville (The only town in the vicinity) and it's pretty far from Richmond (which was only a small village in 1743). Rjensen (talk) 23:05, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneI can't see why this change wasn't made, so I'm making it. Shadwell is 5 miles from Charlottesville and almost 70 miles from Richmond. YoPienso (talk) 14:16, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson (sculpture)?[edit]

Should Thomas Jefferson (sculpture) be included in the "memorials and honors" section? ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


Jefferson and Voltaire[edit]

@Yopienso, JayJasper, and TheVirginiaHistorian: Yopienso, I've put off pursing the inclusion of JayJasper's entry regarding the seven works by Voltaire in Jefferson's library for now, as I'm involved elsewhere as I think you know. This "factoid" is interesting and informative and distinguishes Voltaire from the others. The inclusion of these seven works almost resulted in the entire rejection of Jefferson's library when he sold it to the Library of Congress, which should also be mentioned. And 'undue weight' is usually only an issue when someone attempts to carry on about the subject, so using this as a standby excuse in an attempt to block a simple mention of this "factoid" is not very appropriate. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Those factoids are indeed interesting to me as a trivia buff. But they have much more to do with the history of the LOC than with the bio of TJ. YoPienso (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Agree, it depends on the way it is treated. It may be the LOC subject belongs in the LOC article, leaving it as background here to justify some other additional coverage of Voltaire and Jefferson's admiration of the man and his work as a principal in the Enlightenment, freeing the mind from chains of the past. Jefferson's open mindedness is one of the reasons some believe him an atheistic freethinker. That is probably not true, but he certainly was not doctrinaire in his beliefs regarding faith or otherwise. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 01:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Currently coverage of the LOC, such that it is, is in the Later years section. I would think that mention of Voltaire's works in Jefferson's library would serve to show him as a freethinker, not necessarily an atheist, but one who consulted varied points of view. We could cook two birds in one pot with Voltaire. He gives some insight into Jefferson's varied thinking, while ownership of his works provides a little historical context to the LOC itself where Jefferson was concerned. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Voltaire was a leading historian -- quite apart from his views on religion--and it would be astonishing for Jefferson to not have some of his books. Rjensen (talk) 20:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Quite so, Rjensen. Gwillhickers, I mean the Library of Congress article. YoPienso (talk) 10:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)