Talk:Attempted assassination of Harry S. Truman
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I am quick-failing the article because:
- It has only three in-line references. There should a lot more.
- It's too short. The lead is too short, the is no "planning" section (did they really hope to shot their way into president's place? was the president even in the house?), the "aftermath" is much too short.
- See for example Reagan assassination attempt for what is expected of a Good Article.
Three weeks with no "discussion"
An NPOV tag was placed on this article on February 8, 2012, which referred to the "discussion on the Talk Page." However, three weeks have passed and no one (including the tagging editor) has offered any "discussion."
- The situation as I see it is that various sections lack verifiable sources. Once these are provided then the "tag" should be removed. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- That, and a couple of specific NPOV statements. One is 'allegedly self-governing "commonwealth."' Alleged by whom? Another is 'In view of this consistent repression, Puerto Ricans increasingly felt their island was a classic U.S. colony', as if this was the view of almost all Puerto Ricans. (There have been regular referendums on Puerto Rican independence that show a much more ambivalent attitude than this.) But my basic concern is that an article on an attempted assassination of Truman reads mroe like a list of grievances of Puerto Rican nationalists. --Yaush (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- Even though I have not been involved with the developement of this particular article, I will do my best to look into it an lend a helping hand. I agree that there are certain terms which are not appropiate. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- O.K., I lent a helping hand. I believe the "Tag" can be removed. By the way, as a personal friendly note, your comments about the referendum may reflect the situation now where it seems as that almost half the voting population favors statehood for Puerto Rico, however in the 1950's the Puerto Rican Independence Party was the second most powerful party after the PPD and before that powerful political parties such as the Puerto Rican Liberal Party, etc. favored independence. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
The article is unbalanced - first it devotes too much space to describing events in detail extending over a decade, as background to the "reasons" for the assassination plot. Then, it quickly disposes with the two men making a major decision to plot and try to assassinate the president. It devotes an extraordinary amount of detail to the shootout at the Blair House, as if it were the OK Corral. It is an FBI-biased account, as Secret Service agents were also involved, who are not even named here, but two were recognized by Truman for their parts in protecting him. According to one man's article, he shot Collazo. Why did the president and State Dept. ask the widow Coffelt to go to Puerto Rico? Who accompanied her on what was essentially a "state visit"? Did they help her write her speech? Did the Nationalist Party try to gain/keep political power on the island? Was there more repression in Puerto Rico afterward?Parkwells (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The article said that Puerto Ricans felt there were "great injustices" by the 1940s, and lists the following, drawn from a wide variety of sources: in Spanish and in English, some academic, probably meeting the Wikipedia guidelines for Reliable Sources (RS); other anecdotal, but at least verifiable, but told in the context of other stories (for instance, an appreciation of a veteran actor, with mention of his having been a radio announcer who reported one of the listed events - not the best documentation.) There is no source cited that says these were contributing events to the unrest. I think first - this is too much content for an article on the assassination attempt. Secondly, this material needs better sourcing, especially to say these were contributing events. They might more appropriately be covered in an article on the independence/nationalist movement, but each and overall need better sourcing. The events follow:
- The injection of live cancer cells into Puerto Rican patients by Dr. Cornelius P. Rhoads,
- the Ponce Massacre in which 19 were killed,
- the shooting of Vidal Santiago Díaz by 40 U.S.-trained policemen,
- the extrajudicial murders of numerous Nationalists,
- the jailing of Pedro Albizu Campos for his advocacy of armed resistance, and
- the impending change of Puerto Rico's status to a self-governing "Estado Libre Associado" (Free Associated State), as its conditions were set by the US.
(Note: The conclusion that people were angered over this law cannot be derived from the law itself being used as a cited source, as that is some editor's opinion as to what the residents of Puerto Rico thought about it. The cited sources are highly variable in terms of reliability. Again, who decided on this listing of events? It is not simply a question of whether they occurred, but what they were understood to mean, and who decides that? Needs a source.)Parkwells (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Logical Disconnect, as a prelude for Tendentious Editing
I will assume that the above Talk Page entry "Great Injustices" was written in good faith. However, even assuming good faith, it is difficult to fathom the logic or constructive value behind it. The editor lists several historical events, and then demands to see a source which confirms that "these were contributing events to the unrest" in Puerto Rico in 1950.
So let me ask this editor...if someone came to where you lived, and:
- injected your neighbors with live cancer cells
- shot and killed 19 others in broad daylight
- shot a barber in his barbershop, with 40 armed men, in broad daylight, and the shooting was reported live via radio
- executed political dissidents without a trial, or due process of any sort
Do you (the editor) feel that there "would be no unrest" in your neighborhood? The fact that insurrections occurred in eight towns in Puerto Rico on October 30, 1950, is prima facie evidence of this unrest, whether you (the editor) agrees with it or not.
This editor then proceeds to use the alleged "lack of sourcing" as the basis for massive edits to this and other articles without discussion or editorial consensus.
- That the grievances of Puerto Rican nationalists are legitimate does not change the fact that this is not, or at least should not be, an article on the grievances of Puerto Rico nationalists. So much emphasis on this smacks of WP:COAT. --Yaush (talk) 15:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Not a second assassination attempt
Neither this article nor the main Truman article support suggestion of "second" assassination attempt, as previously found only in Lead and not supported by a cited RS. The Truman article does not mention letter bombs.Parkwells (talk) 12:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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