Talk:Twiggy

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Hubris?[edit]

'Her style has dominated the runways for forty years.' Isn't that overdoing it JUST A BIT? ;)

How do we get 84.43.88.98 banned from editing this page? N0manarmy 02:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Set page back to original before previous edit changed it to something inappropriate  ;0 N0manarmy 18:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Srxcef 23:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah this is someone Shouldn't this article be entitled "Twiggy" since nobody knows her by the name Leslie Horby? --Caponer 20:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

No because Leslie Hornby is her real name, duh. The page still comes up when you type in Twiggy. Jessica, good luck, but the modeling industry is a long shot. If you think you look like Twiggy perhaps you should audition for Americas Next Top Model, where Twiggy is a judge.

First off, Jessica is in the UK, so I don't think she'll be trying out for America's Next Top Model. :P Also, Jessica... I hope for your sake that you keep in better physical shape than Twiggy. She was essentially the source of the modern anorexic model cliché. It's not healthy, and it's not attractive either. Whatever the case, though, I wish you luck. --Kuronekoyama 03:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Kuronekoyama - As a matter of fact, Twiggy WAS healthy. I'm not sure why you think that someone can't be skinny and healthy at the same time. What's unhealthy is for people to think they have to starve themselves so that they can be skinny. People were created differently for a reason, and everyone isn't supposed to be the same weight. Unfortunately, there are SO many people in this world that think they are fat, society has created the idea that being skinny is altogether unhealthy and unattractive, just so those people would quit starving themselves. Ever thought that some people, like Twiggy, can't help that they're skinny? You don't know her eating habits. So because she pursued her dreams and became a famous model that people looked up to, she gets blamed for people trying to look like her? There is nothing wrong with being NATURALLY thin. Isn't it ironic that these naturally thin people can't go out in public without being stereotyped as unhealthy or unattractive, just to make OTHER people feel better about themselves? What ever happened to trying to get everyone to accept ALL body types? I really hope people will start to think twice about what they are saying when they don't even know what they are talking about. I mean, I understand and COMPLETELY support that it's never okay for people to go on extreme diets and literally kill themselves to look thin. However, it's still wrong for people to categorize every skinny person on this earth as one who is unhealthy or starves themselves. There is a BIG difference between people who are naturally thin, and people who will do ANYTHING to be skinny. Would it be HEALTHIER for someone who is naturally thin to eat a normal, nutritious diet, but still weigh less than 100 pounds or to pig out junk food so they can gain enough weight to be considered "average?" I personally would have no interest in clogging my arteries and increasing my chances of other serious illnesses just so I can APPEAR healthier and make other people happy. You can't tell how healthy someone is when you don't even know them. So yeah, although it's typically people being told they weigh too much, instead of not enough.. YOU may not understand it, but I really think that when it comes down to it, it's not about being SKINNY, it's about being average [cough cough CONFORMITY], and it's JUST as offensive to be told you don't weigh enough as it is to be told you weigh too much. So next time you want to prove a point, please try and do so without putting someone else down. Like I said, i'm pretty sure its just as rude to call someone unattractive for being UNDERweight as it is to call them unattractive for being OVERweight [not to mention falsely accusing them of malnutrition]. --206.124.222.79 23:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

I've moved the page back to Twiggy, as the that's name name she's most commonly known by (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)). — sjorford (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Is 'animal welfare' paragraph copyright infringement?[edit]

The passage seems to be taken directly from the biography section of the official Twiggy site. -- MEFlora 00:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Waited a number of days for a reply to this. Decided to rework the paragraph. Found a source to verify the paragraph's claim although I'm not sure how reliable an interview quote from Twiggy really is. WP:RS wasn't particularly helpful to me on this matter. Perhaps the following links would be better? -- MEFlora 11:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Weight[edit]

I don't believe for an instant that she is 91 pounds... especially at 5'6. That gives her a BMI of 14.7. I know she's skinny, but not that skinny. Cite?

This Closer magazine article posted on the official Twiggy site might be a usable source? I wasn't able to confirm the existence of the article or author elsewhere on the web, however. The article lists her as 91 lbs (6 st and 7 lbs) in the late '60s (i.e. her late teens) and 20 lbs heavier in '02. -- MEFlora 13:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox change perhaps?[edit]

Would the use of an official wpp:bio infobox be more appropriate? Template:Infobox_Celebrity perhaps? -- MEFlora 13:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This infobox gives height/weight/etc measurements without noting they are not current. She is not a currently a model, so the bio infobox should be used if any. And why are height/weight and such even considered as appropriate for infoboxes on biographies? Piperdown 20:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

List should have punctuation?[edit]

In "Miscellany" the list:
("1967 Mattel issued a 'Twiggy Barbie' 1971 Film debut as an extra in Ken Russell's "The Devils" 1971 First leading role in features as Polly in Ken Russell's adaptation of Sandy Wilson's pastiche of 1920s musicals "The Boy Friend"; initial collaboration with Tommy Tune 1974 Made West End stage debut in "Cinderella"...."etc)
seems to have no punctuation. Is this normal? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.158.41.169 (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

I punctuated it, but much of it matches the filmography, with more information on cameos/appearances. Rename or cut? Ag1246 22:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I changed it per the MOS to be an unitalicized list in my October 17, 2007 edit. The punctuation now matches that of several other chronologies I found.

To answer the question, I went to the source - I e-mailed Twiggy's web page and received the following response: "Hi, Twiggy's original given name is Lesley. www.twiggylawson.co.uk" TechMan76 (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Various sources have different spellings for her first name.

An America's Next Top Model video clip has her standing next to a large "LESLEY HORNBY" graphic. Is that definitive? I guess you'd have to check her birth certificate.

The external links cited by the Wikipedia article are ambiguous:

  • IMDB uses "Leslie".
  • TV.com uses both "Lesley" and "Leslie".
  • The Swindle interview uses "Leslie".

On Google:

  • +"lesley hornby" +twiggy gets 14,800 hits.
  • +"leslie hornby" +twiggy gets 684 hits.

The Biography Channel uses "Lesley".

Twiggy (disambiguation) uses "Leslie".

If both spellings turn out to be valid, at one point there was an "Alternative Names" entry in the Wikipedia article's infobox. Wdfarmer 23:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

In England, Leslie is usually a male name, and Lesley a female name. So it 'should' be Lesley, but it all depends on how she spells it herself. Oddly, the Bio on her own website doesn't mention her birth name. Most sources on the Web give it as 'Lesley', but her IMDb entry gives it as 'Leslie'. Since IMDb entries are often contributed or edited by the subject's agent or manager, this might be taken as the 'official' spelling, but there is no guarantee of that. There is also a bio on the BBC's website, which gives it as 'Lesley', and the BBC are usually careful with names.109.158.240.26 (talk) 12:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Mother's name[edit]

Isn't Twiggy's mother's name Helen Lydia "Nellie" Reeman and not, as stated, Nellie Lydia "Helen" Reeman. Women named Helen are sometimes called Nellie as a nickname or diminutive, not the other way round. Saintmesmin (talk) 09:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of the sources referred to in the paragraph one gives Helen (not Helena as this article actually calls her) and the other gives Nellie Lydia, but Nellie must be the nickname, not Helen. I'll edit the article to call her Helen ("Nellie") Lydia or something to that effect. Shadowcrow (talk) 04:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The Nanny[edit]

"along with Fran Drescher, co-conceived the initial idea that was to become the internationally successful television series, The Nanny."

I looked around a bit for a source for the above statement to no avail - the closest I could find was the fact that she once made a guest appearance on the show, so I'm taking that out, but in the very unlikely event there is a source that indicates she had some role in the creation of the show, the claim is still preserved here on the talk page. Omgplz (talk) 13:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Controversy[edit]

I changed this section to reflect facts, adding citations to verify and corroborate. Vsanborn (talk) 14:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I removed this section, adding the details where they belonged. Vsanborn (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Why was the image moved?[edit]

Just curious to know why the image was moved from the biography box back down to a more obscure place on the page. Is there a legal reason? Seeing Twiggy's image on top of the page allows someone to know instantly who she is. Her looks are more iconic than her name. Vsanborn (talk) 19:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

  • First, please remember that new comments on a talk page go at the bottom. Second, using the image in the infobox goes against our WP:NFCC policy on the replaceability of the image. She's alive. A free image can be obtained of her (that no one has is besides the point). The image that is on the article is there after a deletion debate decided it was critically important to the article regarding her modeling career, which is where the image belongs. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I figured it out. So many rules to remember. One spends so much of one's free time researching obscure facts, that one forgets the intricacies. Indeed, with Twiggy, there are many minefields to avoid. Vsanborn (talk) 00:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Why so many references?[edit]

Much controversy surrounds Twiggy's modeling career, how it began, how people reacted to her thin figure, and how she became a super model. Conflicting stories exist. In order to be accurate, I had to make sure that each fact was corroborated by the latest and most reliable sources. Where disagreement existed, I used two sources to show the varying opinions. Vsanborn (talk) 01:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

That said, I miss wagonloads of criticism about her. The article seems to have been written by a true fan: only 100% positive stuff. Shouldn't we finally let the critics speak that reproached her of leading a LOT of young women into anorexia in the mid-1960s? (Which is true, since everybody wanted to be as "beautiful" as her, halving their own food consumption just to get towards the ideal of her "skin and bones" looks) -andy 217.50.51.105 (talk) 03:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Image at top left[edit]

I put her image at the top left and moved the mis-Infobox down to a less obvious space. Of course a model's image should be at the top of the page. Somebody will sans aucune doute move it back to a lesser position, but if you want to see it as it should be, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twiggy&action=historysubmit&diff=416137239&oldid=416136058 to find it. Sincerely yours, and with somewhat of high dudgeon today, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Bogus New Yorker claim[edit]

The article says that the New Yorker devoted over 100 pages to Twiggy. The source appears to be Twiggy herself, that is, a piece that (from its headline) looks like an interview. But the New Yorker rarely goes past 100 pages in any given issue (around 120, maybe, sometimes) and it has never, so far as I am aware, run any articles of 100pp in length. So it's a bogus claim; and the "source" needed to have been evaluated more critically. This needs to be dropped or corrected. Theonemacduff (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Twiggy[edit]

Hi. I have read the article of Twiggy from Wikipedia completely but unfortunately there are many missing links. Please add all the missing information from the following bulleted categories: Please note that some articles in the bulleted links needs to specify more information about the topic. As you can see, the black bulleted titles below don’t have any links.

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiggy

Filmography[edit]

• The Boy Friend (1971) • W (1974) • There Goes The Bride (1979) • The Blues Brothers (1980) • The Doctor and the Devils (1985) • Club Paradise (1986) • The Little Match Girl (1986) • Madame Sousatzka (1988) • The Diamond Trap (1988) • Sun Child (1988) • Istanbul (Keep Your Eyes Open) (1990) • Body Bags (1993) • Something Borrowed, Something Blue (1997) • Edge of Seventeen (1998) • Brand New World (based on the Jeff Noon play Woundings) (1998)

Stage[edit]

• Cinderella, Casino Theatre, London, (1974) • The Butterfly Ball and the Grasshopper's Feast, the Royal Albert Hall, London (1975) • Eliza Doolittle, Pygmalion, (1981) • Captain Beaky and His Musical Christmas (pantomime), Apollo Victoria Theatre, London (1981) • My One and Only, St. James Theatre, New York, (1983–1984) • Blithe Spirit, Chichester Festival Theatre, (1997) • Noel and Gertie, Bay Street Theatre, Long Island, New York, (1998) • If Love Were All, Lucille Lortel Theatre, New York City (1999) • Blithe Spirit, Bay Street Theatre, Long Island, New York (2002) • Mrs Warren's Profession, on tour, England, (2003)

Television[edit]

• Twiggs (1974) • Twiggy (1975) • The Muppet Show (1976) (episode 21) • Victorian Scandals (1976) • Bing Crosby's Merrie Olde Christmas (1977) • The Hanna-Barbera Happy Hour (1978) • The Donna Summer Special (1980) • A Gift of Music (1981) • Young Charlie Chaplin (1989) • Princesses (1991) (2 episodes) • Tales from the Crypt (1992) (1 episode) • The Nanny (1994) (1 episode) • Heartbeat (1994) (1 episode) • Absolutely Fabulous (2000–2001) • This Morning (presenter in 2001) • Take Time With Twiggy (host 2001) • America's Next Top Model (judge, Cycles 5–9) (2005–2007) • ShakespeaRe-Told: The Taming of the Shrew (2005) • Friday Night with Jonathan Ross (Guest) (2008) • Twiggy's Frock Exchange (2008) • Alan Titchmarsh's Walks of Fame (2010) [55] • Who Do You Think You Are? (100th episode) (2014)

Discography[edit]

Albums

• 1971 The Boyfriend (Original Soundtrack) (MGM Records) • 1972 Twiggy and the Girlfriends (Ember) • 1976 Twiggy (Mercury) (UK #33)[56] • 1977 Please Get My Name Right (Mercury) (UK #35) • 1983 My One and Only (with Tommy Tune) (Atlantic) • 2003 Midnight Blue (Eureka) (unreleased material from the 1980s) • 2007 Heaven In My Eyes - Discotheque (Eureka) (unreleased material from the 1970s) • 2009 Gotta Sing Gotta Dance (Stage Door) • 2011 Romantically Yours (EMI)

Singles

• 1966 "Some Do Some Don't (Some Will Some Won't)" (with Anne) (Columbia) • 1967 "Beautiful Dreams" (Ember) • 1967 "When I Think of You" (Ember) • 1971 "Zoo Do Zoo Dong" (with Friends) (Bell) • 1972 "A Room in Bloomsbury" (with Christopher Gable) (Columbia) • 1976 "Here I Go Again" (Mercury) (UK #17) • 1976 "Vanilla Olay" (Mercury) • 1977 "Please Get My Name Right" (Mercury) • 1977 "I Hope We Get to Love in Time" (Mercury) • 1977 "A Woman in Love" (Mercury) • 1977 "Tomorrow is Another Day" (Mercury) • 1978 "Falling Angel" (Mercury) • 1985 "Feel Emotion" (Arista) (UK #81) • 1986 "Diamond" (Arista) • 1989 "Winter Wonderland" (Object)

Books and exhibits[edit]

• Twiggy, Twiggy: An Autobiography (1975), ISBN 978-0-246-10895-1 • Twiggy, Twiggy's Guide to Looking Good (1986), ISBN 978-0-00-636672-0 • Twiggy, Twiggy in Black and White (1998), ISBN 978-0-671-51645-1 • Emma Midgley, "London Swings Again With Ossie Clark Show At The V&A" (22 July 2003), Culture24 • Twiggy, Twiggy: Please Get My Name Right (2004), Word Power Books, ISBN 9784939102578 • Iain R Webb, Bill Gibb: Fashion and Fantasy (2008), foreword by Twiggy, ISBN 978-1-85177-548-4 • Twiggy, A Guide to Looking and Feeling Fabulous Over Forty (2008), ISBN 978-0-7181-5404-2 • The Model as Muse: Embodying Fashion, Metropolitan Museum of Art, May–August 2009 • Twiggy: A Life in Photographs, Terence Pepper, Robin Muir, and Melvin Sokolsky (2009), ISBN 978-1-85514-414-9 • Twiggy: A Life in Photographs, National Portrait Gallery (2009–2010)

Please reply to me here at cesare@live.co.uk when this article is fully updated and corrected.

Thank you.

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Twiggy/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Start-class because it needs more refs and is still sort of heavy on lists and tables. Top-importance within fashion because she was, as the article says, revolutionary. Daniel Case 17:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Swinging Sixties ?[edit]

Doesn't this phrase deserve capitals? 2001:44B8:3102:BB05:5556:6C73:CD9F:A21F (talk) 01:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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Choco Flakes[edit]

The article doesn't give any details about her modeling gig(s) in Japan, and I don't have any inside information on that either, but I can say that when I was a kid (13~14 y.o.) in Tokyo in 1967-68, Twiggy was most visible as an advertising model on TV for the breakfast cereal Choco Flakes. I can still hear her saying (in an accent I thought must be Cockney), "Eeeeeehwwwwwww! Chehwwkehwww Fleks!" Wonder if she remembers that. --Haruo (talk) 16:00, 10 September 2017 (UTC)