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I think these two articles are only marginally notable on their own, but combining them would provide something more solid. While Melody does have a history that predates the agency, she's a part of it now, and since there are no reliable sources attesting to anything she does or is outside of the purview of her work, I feel that merging would be sensible, not unlike many other commercial products that are described in a section on their company's page. Ipatrol (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A merge would be ill-advised. Melody's article shows the sourcing about her before VShojo was rather strong, with less about her in the context of the agency. For a merge to be plausible, I would expect to see the opposite trend. This is not analogous to a company and a product for the same reason: sources show Melody is notable for being the first successful "virtual camgirl", which is an aspect that is played down in the context of her association with VShojo, instead of played up. Based on the sources, Melody seems solidly notable, while VShojo is marginally notable. — Goszei (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Goszei. Merging these two articles would be inappropriate. The vast majority of the historical content in the Projekt Melody article happened before the debut of VShojo. Furthermore, although the VShojo article is marginally notable (though notable in general nonetheless), the Projekt Melody article, with every piece of content referenced with multiple reliable sources (Vice Media and Wired (magazine), among others), is objectively notable. As far as I know, she's the only non-Japanese VTuber to be notable enough to have her own Wikipedia article. Having the two articles separate would also be beneficial in the future, if and when any of the other VShojo members become notable enough to have their own articles. In this scenario, if the VShojo article content were merged with the Projekt Melody article, a lot of that content would have to be repeated in the new VShojo member articles, creating redundancy. Keep them separate. Jackdude101talkcont18:16, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I'm proposing a merge largely as an alternative to AFD, which is the only other place I can see this going. To say the other VShojo members may have their own articles in the future is highly speculative. Notability must be considered solely with respect to how things are now. Making them sections on the VShojo page avoids having to duplicate content at all. This is a fairly durable solution even if members are added, and even if the members accumulate sourceable details. In fact, WP:SIZESPLIT suggests a page of this size is worth considering for a merger. Since it would not make sense to merge VShojo into Projekt Melody, that leaves the other way around. --Ipatrol (talk) 04:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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