This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
Wintjiya Napaltjarri is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women artists, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women artists on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women artistsWikipedia:WikiProject Women artistsTemplate:WikiProject Women artistsWomen artists articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
The article was today tagged with a request for clarification regarding that status of Wintjiya and her sister Tjunkiya's marriages to a Tjakamarra. The request states: "Was this a polygynous marriage? If not, at least one must presumably be a former wife, not a widow. If polygynous, should be made clear here and in lead para". While the request for clarification is understandable, the text cannot go beyond what is stated in the reliable sources. I don't think any of the sources actually state it was polygynous. One source, quoted in another context later in the article, does however refer to "...the widows' camp ouside her 'son' Turkey Tolson's former residence." Note the plural of widows. Accordingly, I am changing the lead to say "both were wives of", and adding a cite where the article text says "both are widows of Toba Tjakamarra", then removing the clarification tag. Any questions, let me know. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why you think the fact that the widows' camp is close to Turkey Tolson's residence should result in a change to the text? Unless you think "the widows" refers specifically to Wintjiya and Tjunkiya? A "widows' camp" is a place found in every Central Australian Aboriginal community of any size (or at least, all that I've been to), and is a place where widows typically live, and other women often hang out (no man will go there). Dougg (talk) 09:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had assumed it referred to these two women in particular, given it was outside Turkey Tolson's place (probably my westerner's POV on family relations). Any idea if it was likely to have been polygynous (as I know some others were)? hamiltonstone (talk) 10:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Tjunkiya and Wintjiya were the second and third wives of Toba Tjakamarra; the first was Nganyima Napaltjarri, who was Turkey Tolson's mother. Polygynous marriages were the norm in most Indigenous Australian societies, and still are in some areas. Details about the family relations can be found in Vivien Johnson's Lives of the Papunya Tula Artists (Alice Springs: IAD Press, 2008), pp. 163, 305, and 307.Will Owen (talk) 18:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
.svg){kind=logo}
