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Xindian Creek → Xindian River – The title is used the word "creek" in place of "river" which would lead readers to assume wrongly that Xindian Creek bigger than Xindian River.--Liji6085 (talk) 12:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Creek certainly doesn't seem to be appropriate for the size of this water body. However, it looks like all the source used in the article are calling it the "Hsintien River". Would Hsintien be a better choice than Xindian? Plantdrew (talk) 17:13, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A while ago, I have asked the question about the correct spelling for the name "四草" in English. It seems to me that both are this same question.--Liji6085 (talk) 11:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Taiwanese Water Resources Agency uses "Xindian River" as the English name, so this move should be uncontroversial. Micromesistius (talk) 18:10, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so. The name "Xindian" is used the Pinyin transliteration instead of the English spelling of "Hsintien". Although it definitely looks like the English language, both groups speak the same language but with slightly different pronunciations.--Liji6085 (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Forgive me if I'm wrong, but my cultural understanding is that rivers in Taiwan are referred to as "xi" (溪，mountain stream) because they are short and steep compared to bigger rivers in mainland China referred to as "he" (河，river). In Taiwan itself, the usage of 新店溪 "Xindian xi" means "Xindian River". Also move Dahan Creek while we're at it. Thanks for bringing up this topic. Shannon 23:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so. Most Taiwanese seem to want to drag your own culture into everything, but this is a wrong attitude. Just it is a different usage of the word in different languages. Other, I found that interesting, the word "creek" in the perspectives of some Taiwanese are often mistaken for the word "溪" with the same usage. It looks to me to be misuse because they are clearly not well informed about the word "creek".--Liji6085 (talk) 12:59, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since you mentioned that the rivers short and steep in Taiwan, but I think I should explain to you. In Taiwan, although upstream is called "溪" and downstream also is called "溪", the English word of "creek" doesn't mean what Taiwanese think it means. For example, as you can see the image is called "拉庫音溪" in Taiwan. In fact, 拉庫音溪 of the word "溪" is in compliance with the English definitions of "creek". However, it becomes known as "高屏溪" when it flows into Pingtung Plain at the county border of Kaohsiung and Pingtung. You can see that this article introduce the information about "高屏溪". As can be seen from "Gaoping River", it is clear that is not called "Gaoping Creek".--Liji6085 (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support this move and that of Dahan Creek. Although 溪 is sometimes translated as "creek", in the context of Taiwan 溪 are rivers and sources support this. Use "Xindian" per WP:PINYIN. — AjaxSmack 03:58, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you means by "in the context of Taiwan 溪", can you explain more clearly?--Liji6085 (talk) 10:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Zhuoshui River (濁水溪Lô-chúi-khoe): Even far upstream, it is much larger than a creek or rivuletBy "in the context of Taiwan" I meant that a 溪khoe is an often rather large stream with semi-intermittent flow (like a larger torrente). Almost all rivers in Taiwan are khoe (cf. the estuary Tamsui River [河]). (Taiwan's longest river, the Zhuoshui River, also a 溪khoe, is longer than all but one river in Ireland.) In Chinese dictionaries, 溪xī is usually translated as "creek" or "rivulet", a very different connotation from Taiwan's khoe. This is a fun discussion but it doesn't really matter; it's called Xindian River in sources and on the ground. Read the English on the road signs on the bridge here — AjaxSmack 01:38, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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