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History

Throughout the history of the Yaqui tribe (also known as the Yoeme), they remained independent of the Aztec and Toltec empires, perhaps because of their remote northern locale. They were similarly never conquered by the Spanish, defeating successive expeditions of conquistadores in battle. However, they were converted to Christianity by the Jesuits, who convinced them to settle into eight towns: Pótam, Vícam, Tórim, Bácum, Cóorit, Huirivis, Belem, and Rahum. One of the most populated places where they lived was Belem. For many years, the Yaqui lived peacefully in a good relationship with the Jesuit missionaries. This resulted in a fairly good advantage: the Yaqui were able to develop a very productive economy, and the missionaries were able to employ the wealth created to extend their missionary activities further north. In the 1730s the colonial Mexican government began to alter this relationship and eventually ordered all Jesuits out of Sonora. This caused the Yaqui to start a few rebellions. The Yaqui attempted to form an independent nation separate from Mexico in the 1820s, under the Yaqui leader Juan Banderas (executed 1833) who wanted to unite the Mayo, Opata, and Pima tribes, but the effort failed and the Yaqui remained under rule of Mexican authorities. Their nation suffered a great amount of brutalities by the Mexican authorities, including a notable massacre in 1868 where 150 Yaqui were burned to death by the Mexican army inside a Catholic church. In the past, the Yaqui subsisted on agriculture, growing corn, beans and squash (like many of the natives of the region). They also made cotton products. The Yaqui have always been skillful warriors. During the year of 1833, when Juan Banderas was executed, the loyal Yaqui warriors started a rebellion against the Mexican authorities, killing many Mexican soldiers and losing many Yaqui warriors. The picture on the right shows a Yaqui soldier on a horse. (Notice the rifle on the horses side, under the warrior’s leg.) The Yaqui’s conception of the world is considerably different from that of their Mexican and United States’ neighbors. For example, the world is composed of four separate worlds: the animal world, the world of people, the world of flowers, and the world of death. Many Yaqui rituals are centered upon perfecting these worlds and eliminating the harm that has been done to them, especially by people. There is a belief currently among many Yaquis that the existence of the world depends on the early performance of the Lenten and Easter rituals. “The Yaqui religion (which is a syncretic religion of old Yaqui beliefs and practices and the teachings of Jesuit and later Franciscan missionaries) relies upon song, music, and dancing, all performed by designated members of the community (Wikipedia).” There are also other Catholic practices that are based on the old days.

thank you for reading this article

Thanks

Thank you for adding this article to Wikipedia. My great-grandfather was a full-blodded Yaqui Indian, and it's nice to learn more about him and my ancestors. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.26.73.45 (talk • contribs)

Pancho Villa

My father has always told me that Pancho Villa was of this tribe. Perhaps someone out there is able to verify this???--Amedeo Felix 17:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

For discussion

Good faith edit by anon contributor moved for discussion. WBardwin 05:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

a famous yaqui sorceror or medicine mans life was cronicled in a book series written by carlos casteneda. In the teachings of don juan matus, a yaqui warrior isnt a warrior in the sence of war but a warrior of knowledge and power. and using 'mescalito" as your teacher or many other natural medecinal teachers such as "devils weed" and of course peyote or mescalito. intrest in the yaqui way of knowledge should be independantly investigated 8 November 2007 71.227.202.216

Unsustainable Statement removed

In the section on Yaqui cosmology and religion, the follwing sentence seems highly dubious: The Yaqui world view is pure and preserved for 26,000 years..

There are two major problems with this:

1. no other examples exist of complex beliefs, folklore, or other oral traditions being preserved for such a long period. No human languages or cultures anywhere in the world have endured unchanged for even a tenth of it.

2. 26,000 years ago, the Americas were most likely not yet populated. The earliest, halfway undisputed traces of human settlements have been dated to between 16.000 to 21.700 years before present. See the article on the Clovis culture.

I have therefore removed that sentence.

P.S. In all liklihood, Don Juan Matus never existed. The article on Carlos Castaneda explains why. Textor (talk) 01:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Danny Trejo

My name is Gilbert Trejo, My father is an American born Yaqui with most of his relatives living in Montery Mexico. My father has gained some noteriety working as both an actor and drug counselor throughout his lifetime, most recently starring alongside Robert Deniro in the popular film Machete... His acting credits are quite extensive and I think he should be on this page under "Notable Yaqui"... Though I have nothing to reference outside our own family history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.138.71 (talk) 02:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

most of the page is verifiable

...in Ned Spicers most elegant book: Cycles of Conquest: The Impact of Spain, Mexico, and the United States on Indians of the Southwest, 1533-1960 Edward H. Spicer (1967), University of Arizona Press, Tucson, AZ.

I added this reference, and have tons more in my files. (But I do have to work for a living) I found no glaring errors in the page and believe it should be unmarked. Koibeatu (talk) 14:58, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

---Norberto Coronado is a Yaqui Mask maker and he should be added to the list of notables. National Endowment of the Humanities winner and winner of the Arizona Indian Living Treasures Award. He resides in Mesa, AZ ---Alex Maldonaldo flute player and instrument maker IS a member of PYT. It says he needs citation for whether he is a member or not. The family home is in Guadelupe, AZ. His instruments are in many private and public collections including the Heard Museum and Phoenix City Collection. His brother merced is also a fine maker of instruments — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.33.143 (talk) 23:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Yaqui Heritage

I noticed that someone added the boxer Alvaro "Yaqui" Lopez to the list of notable Yaquis. the link that they provided as evidence no longer exists. The following article contradicts the claim of Yaqui heritage:

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=4466

It says that the name was given to him by his manager. He is actually from Zacatecas, one of the states in Mexico with the least native heritage. He claims himself to have no native ancestry. People should really look at sources before asserting the ancestry of anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.160.79.59 (talk) 02:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:07, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Yaqui people → Yaqui – Target title is currently only redirect to current title, that original title was moved March 10, 2011, in the course of creating a WP:TWODABS page on the false premise that the language is a parallel PRIMARYTOPIC to the people]], without comment or discussion. On November 28 2011, Usyvdi moved that TWODABs page to "Yaqui (disambiguation)" and on next edit revised the redirect to point at the people title, commenting "oved Yaqui to Yaqui (disambiguation) over redirect: only WP:TWODABS, Yaqui people is overwhelmingly the WP:Primary topic". The standalone title had stood since the first version of the article by Graft on May 19, 2003, over eight years of stability at that title before it was arbitrarily moved. In addition to Uyvsdi's comments noted already, this move is mandated per closures of similar RMs in recent days by Cuchulainn and others, "consensus has spoken" that the people are the PRIMARYTOPIC, as stated by him here re the Northern Tutchone title. Guidelines such as Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names and the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes) call for this move, as does WP:Conciseness and WP:Precision, WP:NCDAB and more. Skookum1 (talk) 09:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Support. In cases where the requested move simply eliminates the word "people", and the destination title is already a simple redirect to the current title, it is clear that guidelines favoring both precision and conciseness support the move. Xoloz (talk) 02:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Smallchief (talk 08:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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Removed from Notable Yaqui section - no articles

Clean these and find references to create articles first. Then re-add a brief one-line w/link to article.

• Jose Salazar (Pascua Yaqui), Phoenix Police Officer, Military Veteran,6th generation of one of the Original founding Families of the Pascua Yaqui Nation) Tucson Arizona) He is 6th Generation descendant Jose Manuel Escoto Salazar Sr. (Native American)( Pascua Yaqui Tribe) 1980 Was the First Pascua Yaqui to become a Phoenix Police Communications Operator- 1985 The First to graduate from the Phoenix Police Academy-The First to Become a Phoenix Police Officer-1992 the first because of gunshot wounds to his left arm and head in the line of Duty to Retire From the Phoenix Police Department.- Recognized as a natural born leader the United States Navy aided in the perfecting of his Leadership skills at the Leadership Training School in the United States Navy Amphibious Base Leadership Training Program at Coronado Island. For 20+ Years He served The United States of America as A Navy corpsman in various units IE: US Navy,Marine Corps, Fighting Seabee's, as a Front line Navy Surgical Team 219 for the U.S. Navy,and U.S. Marine Corps Field combat medic in Operation Desert Shield.pm and as the Battalion Senior Corpsman for the Fighting Seabees 0617. Though a First Class Petty Officer he was often Ordered to as an enlisted person to act as a Commanding Officer for an entire Medical Unit. As a Battalion Senior Corpsman he was remembered for his Unstoppable Fearlessness,and his military counter parts called Him the "Chief". In the 135yrs of the Phoenix Police Department in Arizona ,He is one of the Eight Native American Phoenix Police Officers to Serve with Honor and ever survive their careers. Of those eight He is the only "First of The Nations" ( First of all the Native American Tribes of the United States of America)to do so within the Phoenix Police Department. He was known as "The Voice of the Nations" When as a Chairman of a Sub-Committee he fraught for Recognition of Native American Phoenix Police officers, Note: Sadly in 2013-2014-2016 Currently the Phoenix Police Departments Museum in Phoenix Arizona refuses to Honor or recognize the contributions of Native American Phoenix Police Officers who Bled and Served with Honor in the Protection of its citizens. No Ethnic People of any kind are Ever to be allowed/ worthy/ or welcome within the walls of the Museum per the Curator Mike Nikolin who was willing to allow a Police dog to be honored, but not a Native American Phoenix Police Officer. Though Jose Salazar was Endorsed by President of the United States of America Barack Obama, the Native American Department of Justice Head Marcia Hurd, the Legal Lobbyist and President of the Arizona Police Association Levi Boton, The President of the Phoenix Police Association Joe Clure, etc. In 2014 Jose Salazar was Honored and awarded a Veterans Medal by the Pascua Yaqui Tribe for his Military service to the Protection of the People and Nation of the United States Of America. It is the first Veterans Medal ever issued by the Pascua Yaqui Nation for its Military Veterans . June 2015 Jose Manuel Escoto Salazar Sr. Still awaits responses from Arizona Congresswoman Senica and Congressman Gallegos to Decide if they will assist in the Recognition of Native American Phoenix Police Officers in the Phoenix Police Museum of Phoenix Arizona.

Cite ref Arizona Republic from Phoenix, Arizona on September 29, 1989 · Page 16 - Newspapers.com Newspapers.com › newspage Sep 29, 1989 - Officer Jose Salazar, 34, was injured Wednesday night when a bullet struck his left arm and a fragment of the bullet struck the back of his head, said Officer Andy Hill, a Phoenix police spokesman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.31.79 (talk) 10:44, 26 February 2017 (UTC) Cite Phoenix Police regional Academy graduating class 189

My name is Jose Manuel Salazar Sr. As of 6/1/2023 I am still alive and native Americans are still not recognized for their contributions for the protection of the lives of the citizens of the city of phoenix and all those in the state of Arizona. I attest to all written here in this article to be true and accurate. If the yaqui tribe that I am a member of wants the physical proof, contact me at the next veterans recognition celebration in the Tucson Arizona casino of the Sun . I will make the trip with my brother Jose Luis Salazar this Year. I will be open and willing to donate my Phoenix Police Department uniform shirt to the yaqui museum if desired. 68.98.23.230 (talk) 10:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Patricia Martinez, member of the Delano, California, Joint Union High School District Board of Directors, 2000–04; member of the Kern County, California, Human Relations Commission, 1997–99; First Lady of Delano, California (her husband, Anthony Martinez, was mayor), 1997–98; granddaughter of Guadalupe Quiros Garcia (1891-1974), a Yaqui curandera, or traditional healer, born in Altar, Sonora, Mexico.
• Marcos A. Moreno (Pascua Yaqui), former Division I football player, the first Tribal member from the Pascua Yaqui reservation to attend an Ivy League school. Worked for the Tribe as a Public Health researcher and assisted in developing a community health improvement plan (CHA 2014) with the goal of increasing standards of living on the Pascua Yaqui reservation. Also spent time organizing and participating in mobile medical clinics throughout Africa with the Global Medical Brigades beginning in 2012 (Ghana/ Kenya/ Nigeria). Recently, he has been active in his Tribe's education department, and was a keynote speaker at its first education summit in 2014 ("Where we've been ... Where we're going"). Was announced in May 2016 as one of five recipients of the Morris K. Udall Tribal Health Care Award.
• Deborah Parker (Tulalip/Yaqui/Apache), Tulalip Tribes council member and vice chairwoman (2012–15), White House "Champion of Change", successfully advocated for update to federal Violence Against Women Act, candidate for 38th District Washington state House of Representatives in 2013
• Rion J. Ramirez (Pascua Yaqui/Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa), general counsel for Port Madison Enterprises, the economic development arm of the Suquaish Tribe; and Obama appointee to the President's Commission on White House Fellowships.

References

History before 1533

Why does this article start Yaqui history in 1533, when they surely have lived in North America for thousands of years? That's just unencyclopedic. I hope this article will be improved by adding information about the Yaquis before contact with the Spanish in 1533. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey

Hey 2601:201:C100:3310:564:CD6D:7DDA:FC2D (talk) 04:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Image

Before the recent change, there was a perfectly fine image of a Yaqui man. It has a historical image that was not offensive what so ever and don’t needed to be changed. Instead someone whom I am assuming knowns noting about Yaqui culture changed it to a picture of cultural practice. While I’m sure his intentions were pure, it should be removed as practices like should be kept scared and not reduced to a public image on Wikipedia. 50.20.127.133 (talk) 14:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I found another image available through Creative Commons licensing through Flickr. The Yaqui are living people today, so we should highlight recent photos instead of adding to the stereotype that they are from the past. The 1910 photo is down in the history section. Yuchitown (talk) 15:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown