Talk:You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone (song)

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Requested move 1 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. I'm just not getting claims of long-term significance for a song that failed to chart. I just looked it up and listened to it on YouTube for the first time in my life. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone (song) → You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone – The song is the primary topic ili (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 02:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ILIL and BarrelProof: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Only a 1.4:1 pageview ratio. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NOPRIMARY. 162 etc. (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support The only other article with the name is You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone (album), which was named after the song. The song is linked in dozens more articles than the album. ili (talk) 18:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose: There are lots of albums that have the same name as their title track. That doesn't automatically make a song primary, and a pageview ratio of 1.4:1 does not indicate that the topic is "highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, ...—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The song is the lead single from a top 40 album by the Beach Boys. The Saint Etienne album is a greatest hits collection that had no chart showing. Saint Etienne must have sold >80 million less records than the Beach Boys. I don't understand why there'd be any question of the song being the primary topic. It's undeniable that the song is far more notable. ili (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Songs has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 02:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Rock music has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 02:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose NOPRIMARY. The two titles are about equal in views. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NOPRIMARY. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 21:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose NOPRIMARY . And should not have been a technical request. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have restored the DAB page which can be deleted if moved. The song gets 659 views compared with 507[[1]] for the album and as pointed out the album is named after it but I'm not sure it qualifies as primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support The track meets the standard of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; particularly the criterion relating to long-term significance. Mkcaldwell (talk) 17:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. No WP:PTOPIC. Over the last year, the album got 30% more views than the song, 4,707 vs. 3,675. Narky Blert (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.