Talk:Zapruder
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Requested move 5 March 2016
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The result of the move request was: request withdrawn. wbm1058 (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Zapruder → Zapruder (surname) – "Zapruder" seems to overwhelmingly refer to the film, so it should redirect there as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Google Ngram confirms that the film is used several times more than the filmer. -- Tavix (talk) 16:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Support, film seems to be the primary. Abraham Zapruder's importance in historical photography and "found" journalism is such that his very name now commonly refers to his primary contribution. The right person (someone who didn't flinch or duck but kept on filming) there at the right time. Randy Kryn 20:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose how can the Zapruder film be absolute majority for the surname when it only occurs with "film". In ictu oculi (talk) 09:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Besides by that argument it should redirect to Abraham Zapruder not his film In ictu oculi (talk) 09:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, fail to see the primary topic of anything other than the surname at e.g. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=zapruder&pws=0 In the first two pages, I see several references to the film, but none as just "Zapruder", and most items are about the three people: Matthew, Alexandra, Abraham. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:37, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I don't understand how that particular Ngram search gives us useful information, when we're talking about the term "Zapruder" here, not the term "Zapruder film". IMO search results have to be much more lopsided for us to so egregiously violate WP:PTM. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. If the film were primary, then it would be at this title, as a film named "Zapruder". But no, it is not a film about Zapruder, it is a film by Zapruder. Your argument seems to be to make Abraham Zapruder primary topic for the name, as he was made so famous by the "one event" of his making the film. If he was that important, by now someone probably would have made that film about him. Seems like he was more modest than that, donating some of the proceeds to the policeman's widow, and the film to the museum. Just leave this be. wbm1058 (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's a film named Zapruder, named after it's filmer, so it's both. And yes, while it's usually called "Zapruder film," I think the question we should be asking is what someone would be looking for if searching for Zapruder, and it seems more likely than not to me that someone would be looking for the film. As for the last part of your comment, I have no idea where you got the idea that I'm advocating making Abraham Zapruder the primary topic. That makes no sense to me... -- Tavix (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- No, you were not advocating that; but I think both myself and another editor above first think of the man, and would be surprised to see his film take priority over the man, for the simple mononym.
- More examples of what people are searching for:
- I think some discretion in determining primary topics for this sort of subject area is in order. Just to be clear, I am not advocating for the above to be changed. wbm1058 (talk) 04:02, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- It's a film named Zapruder, named after it's filmer, so it's both. And yes, while it's usually called "Zapruder film," I think the question we should be asking is what someone would be looking for if searching for Zapruder, and it seems more likely than not to me that someone would be looking for the film. As for the last part of your comment, I have no idea where you got the idea that I'm advocating making Abraham Zapruder the primary topic. That makes no sense to me... -- Tavix (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose – Zapruder is not Zapruder film. Dicklyon (talk) 04:41, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'd like to withdraw this request. It seems like this question has been sufficiently answered and I don't think it's a big deal either way. I appreciate the discussion everyone. Cheers, -- Tavix (talk) 05:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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