User talk:Appraiser/Archive3

Monte Ne

Hello, I'm needing some info or support for an article about a place listed on the National Register of Historic Places that I've been working on. It's a place called Monte Ne which was a health resort of sorts run by an eccentric bimetallisms named William Coin Harvey in the early twentieth century. I've put a lot of time into the article and now I'm trying to get it featured, so if you wouldn't mind looking it over and giving me some criticism or support I would really appreciate. Also I've asked a few other users for there help and placed this exact same message on their discussion page. This was just so I wouldn't have to type it again, I'm not trying to spam your talk page. If you have any questions please feel free to leave me a message or email me. Thanks so much! --The_stuart 21:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 3 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franklin Steele, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Sean William @ 15:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Great work Appraiser and keep it up. We always need more real history on Wikipedia. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Lists of United States politicians

Please see my request at Category talk:Lists of United States politicians. I think we can use some of the data from User talk:Valadius's work at List of former United States Representatives.—Markles 20:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Congress edits

Regarding your latest edits, your point is well taken about the fictitious numbers on the A/L districts, but we cannot use "1" because that is actually wrong when there is more than one district. How about we use "A/L" in just those cases? A minor point, but I really don't care for the ":" because it is inconsistent with the others. We should a "." or a ":" throughout I think. I'll gradually fix the A/L's. stilltim 00:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Deerwood Auditorium

My main reference on Deerwood Auditorium, the Denis Gardner book, doesn't really say a whole lot about the auditorium's architectural style. It says the auditorium was designed by Carl H. Buetow, who worked with Clarence H. Johnston, Sr. in his early years. According to the book, the Deerwood Enterprise said he "sought the [auditorium's] motif in the work of the master builders of the past and brought forth a design in stone that in dignity, charm and beauty is unsurpassed." Gardner's book also physically describes the auditorium, but the main mention of design features is:

While the sides of the auditorium were mostly unadorned, lined with rectangular multipane windows, the south facade was embellished with a projecting one-story main entrance with two sets of doors surmounted by multipane transoms. The projecting bay was accented with cast stone quoining and topped with a cast stone panel displaying "AUDITORIUM". Pilasters with cast stone quoining flanked the entrance, rising to embrace the triangular pediment at the roof. The design of the three windows situated above the projecting entrance at the second floor generally matched those at the sides of the building. Broad pylons delineated the facade's corners.

In other words, it doesn't specifically say whether the architecture was PWA Moderne or anything like that. The only real source for the architecture is the National Register database. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 13:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I saw your revised DYK hook. (I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to reply earlier - I've been a bit busy today.) The new hook looks good. The Gardner book that I used actually says that it was one of the finest examples of federal relief architecture (and included the word "finest"), so that's where I got that wording. But, in the interest of avoiding peacock terms, the rewording is fine.

I'm actually headed back up that way this weekend for a weekend of scuba diving. I'm hoping to get some pictures of Portsmouth Mine Pit Lake (including underwater, if the light is good), as well as other pictures of the Cuyuna Country State Recreation Area. (That article could use some serious expansion.) If you can think of anything else in the Cuyuna Range area that could use a photo, let me know. (Sooner, rather than later -- I'm hoping to leave before the rush hour, though that probably started already.) --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Ordinal congresses project

(I'm inviting User:Stilltim into this discussion.)

Since you are diligently working on all the ordinal congresses, I want to make some comments to you instead of my having to go through each edit and change it. I think we can come up with a consensus beforehand.

Senators

Even before the 17th amendment, didn't some states elect their senators? Do you know when this began? See my recent edits to 62nd United States Congress. —Markles 18:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• I don't know the answer to this question. Feel free to adjust that note as appropriate if you know what it should say.--Appraiser 19:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Before the 17th Amendment the U.S. Constitution stipulated the state leglatures to select the U.S. Senators...and I have seen nothing to indicate any other means was allowed. stilltim 21:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

"List of…" vs. "U.S. Cong Deleg from…"

Some of the states' lists of Reps articles are complete. See Category talk:Lists of United States politicians. For those states, we should use (for example), List of United States Representatives from Massachusetts instead of United States Congressional Delegations from Massachusetts. I hope all (or at least most/30+) will be ready soon so we can make all of them "List of…." —Markles 18:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• I haven't worried much about this since User:Stilltim's standard is to delete the WL header entirely. I very much like having the "U.S. Cong Deleg from…" header during development (for example I'll start with the 62nd congress tomorrow when I begin working on the 63rd, and I'll constantly be going to the "U.S. Cong Deleg from…" articles to see which districts transitioned members then). Once I'm done with the 63rd, I don't care much if the WLs in the 62nd are deleted. But I wonder if the links ought to be left there for the ultimate reader. The "See also: Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives" and "See also: Category:United States Congressional Delegations by state" are there, but using them requires several extra clicks - not very convenient IMO. --Appraiser 19:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• I think the problem with linking to this list is two fold. First, cosmetically I think the black label next to the blue content sets it off better and makes a far easier to read presentation, and second the use of this particular link is not intuitive. If I was a kid living in the South Pacific and clicked on "Pennsylvania" presumably it would be to see what "Pennsylvania" was, not to see a list of its office holders. There are no extra clicks with the "see also" approach, although there often is some added scrolling, but at least the user knows where its headed. Obviously there is no problem with the link being there temporarily to help build the article. stilltim 22:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• • I've also noticed some of the delegations (i.e. NH, CT and VT-there may be others ) have A/L representation listed at the ordinal congresses, but listed as district representation when you look at the congressional rosters from each state. The ordinal congresses are cited, so I'm fixing NH right now. Not sure if it's a big deal, but thought I'd try to correct those delegatons. Does take a bit of time.......Pmeleski 11:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

District links

You've been including the terminal punctuation (usually the period) in the link for the congressional districts.

• For example,

3.

• instead of

3.

I think the link should not include the punctuation only because that would not be technically correct. However, I understand keeping the punctuation in the link because otherwise the link is too small (one or two digits long) to be easily clicked. Either way is fine, but I just wanted you to know my opinion here.—Markles 18:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• This doesn't matter to me much at all. On my screen the difference is barely perceptible. It would be very simple to change using AWB too if we decide on a standard. I haven't consciously changed these - it just depends on what was in the article I cloned from. User:Stilltim and I had a miscommunication yesterday. My intention was to use colons after A/L and periods after numbered districts. I think he thought I preferred colons everywhere. We need to clarify this, add the ushr template on many A/L seats, and also create articles such as Colorado's At-large congressional district for all the states that don't have them (I think nearly every state has some A/L reps at some point.) --Appraiser 19:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• I never thought about Markles point above, and frankly agree, although in the scheme of things it seems pretty trivial. I did recognize the value of Appraiser's "AL" suggestion and have been retrofitting this insight. I hope someone will build the AL articles as suggested. For the district numbers I think dots look fine and I think colons look fine, but they do indicate the same thing for all seats, so they really should be the same for both. From your comments, I gathered you prefered colons so while retrofitting the AL I have incorporated this preference into the articles that are stated to be meeting the standard. It is really very easy using my existing Excel database, as will be implementing Markle's preference. Do let's settle on this quickly because it does distract from more substantive contributions. stilltim 22:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

My progress

Thanks for the invite to this discussion. I have been really focused on QA work lately and have been going over and over the first 56 Congresses looking for errors and ommissions. Hence not much forward progress on my part...but it will resume- mostly as QA due to the good work you have done Appraiser. I have found enough factual errors to justify the effort. I have spent a good deal of time on names and their form, trying to get them consistent from Congress to Congress and consistent with Congressional records and my source (Prof. Martis), which is even better. I still need to review (again) the detail of the resignation, death notes. So I apologize for such little help on the later Congresses, but am increasingly confident the first ones are accurate. stilltim 22:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

NRHP pictures from Crow Wing, Aitkin, and Mille Lacs counties

As it turns out, I had a picture of the Crow Wing County Courthouse from last year, when I went up to Brainerd for an inline skate race. I have a couple other pictures from that trip, including the Northern Pacific Railroad shops in Brainerd, the Brainerd water tower, and the Crosby Soo Line Depot.

On this trip, I took pictures of Portsmouth Mine Pit Lake, the Spina Hotel in Ironton, the other two Cuyuna Iron Range Municipally-Owned Elevated Metal Water Tanks in Cuyuna and Trommald. On the way up, I took pictures of the Great Northern depot and the Robert C. Dunn house in Princeton, the Mille Lacs County Courthouse and the Milaca City Hall in Milaca. I also took some pictures in Aitkin, including the Aitkin County Courthouse, the Aitkin Carnegie Library, the Northern Pacific depot (a really nice looking structure), the Patrick Casey house, and the Potter/Casey building. I've uploaded the Portsmouth mine pictures as well as the three courthouse pictures -- they're in commons:Category:Courthouses of Minnesota.

I also got in some good diving, too (which was the actual reason for the trip). Unfortunately, I lost a weight pocket in Portsmouth Mine Pit Lake. I've been having troubles with those weight pockets, so I might have to replace that particular system. But that's another topic.

Let me know if you want me to upload the other pictures for those places, and I'll upload them. I'm not uploading them right now mainly because I don't have articles written yet, but I'm willing to upload them any time. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 18:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you know?

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Minnesota weather extremes

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--howcheng {chat} 19:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Regions

Thanks for cleaning up the rest of the redirects. It looked like a daunting task until RaveDave edited the template.

There's a discussion at Talk:Iron Range you may want to participate in. A couple of us want to distinguish between the Range and the Arrowhead; that also impacts Regions of Minnesota. Regards, Kablammo 16:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

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Minnesota RollerGirls Notability

I added the notability thing in there before I was able to find all these yummy sources.  :) I'll probably remove it now, although there is a bit of debate about whether or not individual roller derby leagues should have their own articles. (See Talk:Roller derby) --Marumari 21:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Landmark Center

Landmark Center is listed in the National Register database as "Old Federal Courts Building" in St. Paul. The book The National Register of Historic Places in Minnesota lists it as "U.S. Post Office, Courthouse, and Customs House". It's on the National Register, but not a National Historic Landmark. I'll paste the infobox code here, too:

Old Federal Courts Building
U.S. National Register of Historic Places
Location	St. Paul, MN
Coordinates	44°56′43.68″N 93°5′48.17″W
Built	1894
Architect	Taylor,James Knox
Architectural style	Renaissance, Other, Romanesque
NRHP reference No.	69000076
Added to NRHP	March 24, 1969

--Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 13:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Original Barnstar
		To Appraiser, for all of your article contributions and for watching over so many more! With thanks -Susanlesch 23:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		To Appraiser, for a marathon fixing WikiProject Minnesota photographs... Susanlesch 23:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Landmark Center (St. Paul), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 09:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Train depots in the Twin Cities

I noticed that there's a list of other depots on Minneapolis Great Northern Depot, Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Depot Freight House and Train Shed, Midway (Amtrak station), and Saint Paul Union Depot that all mutually reference each other. I'm thinking that rather than having a list of other depots on each article, we should create a navbox template that lists all of the depots in Minneapolis and St. Paul. There are also a few depots in the suburbs that are listed on the National Register of Historic Places, including the Milwaukee Road depot in St. Louis Park, the Minneapolis, St. Paul, Rochester & Dubuque Electric Traction Company Depot in Burnsville, the Great Northern depot in Wayzata, and the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Freight House in Stillwater. The Jackson Street Roundhouse (Great Northern shops) and Bandana Square (Northern Pacific shops) in St. Paul aren't depots, but are also historic railroad structures. There's also the Depot Coffee House in Hopkins, which isn't on the National Register.

Anyway, what do you think about creating a navbox for depots and rail structures in the Twin Cities? What do you think should be included? Let me know. I'm also copying Group29. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Proglacial lakes of Minnesota

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Thanks

Thanks for fixing up those two articles on the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District, and Six Mile Creek. I see I mis-spelled at least one word. Is there a spell check command or add-on software for Wipipedia that is really simple? Nanabozho 23:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Emily Hagens

Thanks for your note. As the nominator, I can't close the AFD discussion unless I withdraw my own nomination, which I'm not quite prepared to do given some of the concerns expressed in the discussion. I agree that the article is likely to be kept. The AFD only has one more day to run, so I'd rather just leave it as is and let another administrator make the call. NawlinWiki 20:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• AFD discussions are eligible to be closed after five days from posting (or, as in this case, from the date of reposting for further discussion). Any administrator can close the discussion. It just depends on who's willing to take on the task of reviewing old AFD debates. NawlinWiki 20:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It's closed now with a Keep result. Good job Appraiser, keep up the good work. Trusilver 01:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Section Lines, etc.

Could you have a look at an article I wrote recently? It's Section lines. I'd like your opinion about it. Do you think it should be part of Wikipedia? There is a related article, Section. Maybe the answer is a re-direct with a merge? Nanabozho 17:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this could easily be incorporated into Section. That article is fairly comprehensive and yet brief. Is there a reason to have a separate article about section lines?--Appraiser 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

No. They are going to delete it.

You fixed the reference on the Halstead's Bay article. Is the last part you placed ( ISBN 0-87351-396-7. ) standard? When is it desired? Nanabozho 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Almost all published books have an ISBN. I think it should be listed on a reference if it exists, although Wikipedia:Citing sources says it's optional. It makes it very clear to the researcher where to find the source data.--Appraiser 20:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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do with this what you will :)

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I hereby award you this barnstar for all the work you did in fixing all the MSP redirects throughout wikipedia. Ehren 17:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks from a fellow Minnesotan for undertaking all that tedious work. Ehren 17:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll second that! Great job! Gopher backer 14:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Kaki Vigla redirect

The redirect on Kaki Vigla has been fixed, I was rushing just a but when I did not put the name Kaki Vigla in. Kaki Vigla, Greece has already fixed its redirect to Kaki Vigla. Pumpie 19:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Photos

I did see the requested photos category and the short list and scribbled down ones I think I can get relatively soon. I also have family in St. Peter I'll be visiting while I'm here, so I should be able to take some photos of the town and the high school and maybe even Mankato. We can probably replace the photo of Charles Loring's house today but I don't think I have a good enough camera or enough technical skill to replace some of the other photos. I was wondering exactly what the problem with the Mill Ruins photo is. Lastly, I have no idea how to get a pd photo of Brian Coyle, so in the meantime I though I could take a photo of the memorial park. Natalie 19:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I can definitely get Nicollet County courthouse. I also got a couple of photos of Dunwoody (Image:Dunwoody sign.JPG and Image:Robert W. Carlson commons.jpg) and a photo of the office in Loring Park (Image:William Berry house.JPG). The plaque on the building said it was William Berry's office, though, not Charles Loring's).

You've probably uploaded more photos than I have, so can you look at the image pages and make sure I did it right? One of Betacommand's bots tagged my photo as having no source or license information (deleting the source and license information in the process) three times. I blocked the bot because I think it's malfunctioning or poorly programmed, but I want to make sure I'm not at fault here. Natalie 22:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it was someone impersonating Betacommand's bot. So as far as I know, the source is okay. Natalie 22:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, there are about 19 other photos of the house in Loring Park, from various angles, if the one I uploaded isn't enough of an improvement. Natalie 22:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures for CONvergence (convention)

I think CONvergence (convention) could use a photo or two. I'm debating what kind of photo to include, though. I have a set of a few photos at Flickr here. I'm thinking about including a picture of the Monster Smackdown panel, but I'm also wondering if it would be appropriate to include a picture or two of the Masquerade costumes. By the way, that's me in the Gamera costume. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 23:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Loring Park

Entirely possible I am wrong. If I remember right I got the idea from this quote page 2 (there's also an unlabeled photo on page 7): "In 1890, Central Park was renamed Loring Park in honor of the first Superintendent of Mineapolis’ new park system, Charles Loring, and a small frame building in the park served as his office." But Berry was superintendent, not Loring, so who knows. And I joined that quote with the image on page 7 (which does not say Loring). P.S. Great photo! -Susanlesch 23:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• Same source, MNRP in 1999 says it is Berry's office so that must be. Thanks much for the correction. -Susanlesch 01:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Hi, I recently added a page for Barrie D'Rozario Murphy and it was immediately deleted due to Advertisement, unsourced, non-notable. I believe you are the one who suggested the deletion. I'm new to Wikipedia and I don't understand. If you look up the category "advertising agencies" there are hundreds of advertising agencies within Wikipedia. There are hundreds of MN companies. Barrie D'Rozario Murphy is an advertising agency, no different than the others. I linked the agency clients, like United Airlines, to the United Airlines Wikipedia entry. I connected it to the "advertising agencies" category. The entry was completely factual, not at all like an advertisement. What more do I need to do? How do I source it? For other advertising agencies, see Fallon Worldwide, Campbell Mithun, etc. Please advise. Thank you.

Your Response

Thanks for your response. So if the facts about Barrie D'Rozario were written within the Wall Street Journal, which they were recently, I should just cite the Wall Street Journal as the source of the info? PS - I don't see anything about sourcing within the Wikipedia guidelines...can you point me in the right direction?

Blueifying Years

When do you put brackets around years and when don't you? thanks Mangledorf 20:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

revert on Wikinews

I reverted because you were signing questions that didn't match your IP address. Why don't you create a user over at Wikinews, that way there won't be question of whether the signatures are legitimate. The loss of wikipedia links to subjects was unfortunate and unintended. --SVTCobra 21:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello

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Haven't crossed paths with you since the Emily Hagins circus. Figured I'd pick you as my recipient of the Wikipedia smiley chain letter. Trusilver 03:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Ordinal Congresses

The ordinal Congresses seem to be fine, since those are referenced. But the rosters from some states list district representation when they should be at-large (i.e. New Hampshire). For example, from 1789-1847 all reps were elected at-large according to the early ordinal congresses. However, the representative congressional roster shows them elected by distict. Not a big deal, but slightly innacurate. CT and VT also appear this way. There may be other states.Pmeleski 00:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Yeah, I'm not reverting again - but thanks for the heads up. --David Shankbone 14:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

A proposal has been made to merge Replacement I-35W Mississippi River bridge into I-35W Mississippi River bridge. The matter is being discussed at Talk:Replacement I-35W Mississippi River bridge. Please feel free to comment. Thank you. Kablammo 18:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Giarratana

Hi. Would you mind taking another look at Anthony D. "Tony" Giarratana?

One of the flags you added suggests that there is a notability issue and that the article ought to "reference published, third-party sources about the subject." I wonder whether that tag may have been added in haste, without taking into account the buildings that the guy has already put up -- leaving aside the one he wants to put up, Signature Tower, which has its own Wikipedia page and has been the subject of media coverage outside of Nashville.

Both that tag and another, stating that "this article does not cite any references or sources," do not appear to take into account the roughly 40 news articles on Giarratana available via the NashvillePost.com link given at the bottom of the article.

For the record, I have no connection to the subject of this article; I have never even met him. I'm adding a number of entries these days on topics that I consider significant to the current state of money and power in my hometown, Nashville. Our metro area is one of the 30 largest in the country, and so I tend to think that people making big news here are noteworthy enough to merit coverage in Wikipedia.

In this instance, the subject is well-known primarily for what he has done in this market, but those deeds have gained significant attention nationally. I would tend to believe, however, that a person or entity sufficiently important on a purely local basis in a city of our size may merit an entry. I'm not aware, though, of any Wikipedia guidance that would guide notability decisions based on local importance. Maybe there should be some.

I'd like to hear your thoughts before I do anything else with the Tony G. article. Thanks. Tom Wood 03:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Bridge photo credit

I have no clue who Jocelynn Ellertson is. I suppose she found the picture and sent it in to WCCO, and she may or may not have said it was from Wikipedia. The Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license says that any use should give credit, but the GFDL doesn't say anything about attribution. It doesn't bother me, really, but it seems a little fishy that she's taking credit for a picture that she didn't take herself. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 15:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Georgia

Hey man, I just noticed that your flag of Georgia on states that you've been to, links to Georgia the country, not the state. Just a heads up. User:Lesserm 16:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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Saint Paul vs. St. Paul

I was wondering if there is a consensus on which name should be used. The main article is spelled out while the subsections St. Paul neighborhoods and Education in St. Paul, Minnesota are abbreviated. I spelled out Saint Paul Public Schools because I know that it is the official name. I know that St. Louis, Missouri decided that St. Louis is the official name but I am not sure about Saint Paul. Saint Paul is abbreviated on their website address but mostly spelled out in the content with a few exceptions. Right now, I am confused on which one to use. P.Haney 19:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

NRHP properties in Duluth

I was up in Duluth today, and I got a number of pictures of properties on the National Register of Historic Places:

• Civic Center Historic District - includes the St. Louis County Courthouse, City Hall, and the U.S. Courthouse
• Duluth Central High School (a large Richardsonian Romanesque building - my favorite architectural style)
• Duluth Public Library
• Endion High School
• Fire House #1
• Wirth Building (but not a good picture)
• U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Vessel Yard
• Duluth State Normal School Historic District (lower campus of the University of Minnesota Duluth)

I don't know how soon I'll get to writing articles about all of these, but I'll upload the pictures to my Flickr account (licensed under Creative Commons) tomorrow. I figured I'd let you know in case you're interested.

My main reason for going up there was to dive the Thomas Wilson shipwreck, which is also on the National Register. (There's a description of the shipwreck at the MNHS site). I got some good underwater pictures of the wreck, so I'm hoping to get enough time tomorrow to write an article on it. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Avoiding redirects

Please see Wikipedia:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken; thank you. --NE2 23:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Contentious edits to Duluth article

16-Aug-2007: To User:Appraiser: As I suspected, your action of removing the area map for the "Duluth" article, within 4 minutes of my resizing the map, clearly reveals that you are purposely hacking the article, in a rude, uncooperative manner. For days, I have politely tolerated your contentious antics, as you recklessly reverted improvements to articles. Let me remind you that the Wikipedia project is a community effort, not the ramblings of people with hidden agendas and antisocial actions. This note provides a record that you have been tracked in your hostile activities, and I hope it serves as a warning that such behavior is not acceptable. People who live in Minnesota might not appreciate the need for town maps to locate cities and lakes for outsiders, but being from Minnesota does not give blanket freedom to recklessly delete the work of other editors. Note well, as posted. -Wikid77 00:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Photo licenses

Since I published the photos on Flickr under the Creative Commons license, could you update the licenses on any of my photos so they're also under the Creative Commons license? It would probably be a cleaner situation from a licensing standpoint, since nobody will need to come after you or me for a request for permissions. Thanks. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the license like the one you changed (for Fire House No. 1) is fine. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Model release

Hi, Appraiser. No I don't think so. Today there was an unusual case of a Flickr user uploading a few photos without model releases that just to be safe will have to be deleted from the commons. You know the saying IAANAL which I am not. And can imagine there are people who might know the answer better as well as the rules in many other countries. I used to be ultra conservative and still am at work and am sometimes surprised how Flickr and camera phones seem to be changing the world. -Susanlesch 01:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirects, instead?

Thanks for your recent diligence on 61st United States Congress. However, wouldn't a redirect have been more productive? I'm taking care of a few now, just so you know.—Markles 21:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• I was looking for (and finding) new articles for representatives. Creating redirects would be an easy way to fix them, but since whoever created the articles presumably chose the name most commonly used for the individual, I thought it made sense to use the same name in the ordinals. Also, if people are fixing the "delegations" articles or creating "representative" articles based on the ordinals, they'll start out with the correct name.--Appraiser 23:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • OK. —Markles 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Philanthropy

It sounds like there are some flaws in the logic, [1] so I would say no. In fact it might be worth removing from the OK article. -Ravedave 02:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

general ticket

Are you using the Martis book as a source? I've just taken it out of a library which was not happy circulating a reference book.—Markles 15:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• No. I was just using the delegations articles.--Appraiser 16:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Quick reminder

You're right. Although there was no spite behind it, I shouldn't have done that. Thanks for keeping me in line.--Daveswagon 18:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, "you're doing it wrong" is an Internet meme, not really an insult, but Wikipedia probably isn't the best crossover for that.--Daveswagon 19:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Minnesota state parks

Hello, I'm trying to get List of Minnesota state parks to featured status, all I need is for people to review the facts about the parks. I made a work list of parks split into groups of 7 on the talk page, any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Ravedave 04:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I had no idea

Disclaimer from source: The information on government servers are in the public domain, unless specifically annotated otherwise, and may be used freely by the public so long as you do not 1) claim it is your own (e.g. by claiming copyright for NWS information -- see below), 2) use it in a manner that implies an endorsement or affiliation with NOAA/NWS, or 3) modify it in content and then present it as official government material. You also cannot present information of your own in a way that makes it appear to be official government information. This is awesome! Is there a source that explains this more? I definitely want to look into this, as there has been a lot of stuff I've passed over that I may be able to use. Gopher backer 18:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 35W

I'm having a bit of an issue with how much information on the collapse is needed in this article as well as other antics. Please assist. .:DavuMaya:. 21:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

Laleena has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

This was for editing Denmark. Laleena 21:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Swedish Swimming Championships champions

Heyo. I noticed you prodded this article. I felt it deserved some discussion, so I sent it over to AfD. Feel free to weigh in here. --UsaSatsui 03:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

bad syntax

Your edit here replaced correct syntax with wrong. I reverted it. — jdorje (talk) 04:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for being short with you yesterday. The reason your logic is wrong is that this isn't a plural we're talking about here, it is possessive. We are not referring to the 1990s, it's one of 1990's storms. — jdorje (talk) 18:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

On a slightly less respectful note however, I do feel that if you'd actually looked at the article you were changing the incorrectness of your change would be clear. You changed 1970's to 1970s but left all the non-divisible-by-10 years (1964's, 1961's, 1958's, etc) as they were. If this represents the automatic work of a bot it leaves something to be desired. — jdorje (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

It's actually a season that "possesses" the storm, not a year. In the southern hemisphere the season (which runs summer-autumn) spans two calendar years. — jdorje (talk) 19:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Pictures from Two Harbors

I didn't see your message in time so I wasn't able to get a replacement for the Two Harbors storefronts, but I got some pictures that I think would illustrate the city better. I got several pictures of the Duluth and Iron Range depot, the Edna G tugboat, the Two Harbors lighthouse, one or two of the ore docks, the Carnegie library, and the 3M Museum (also known as the John Dwan building, where 3M was founded). I also got pictures of the Carlton and Lake County courthouses. We stayed at Gooseberry Falls State Park, so I took a number of pictures of the Civilian Conservation Corps buildings there.

Of course, I was up there primarily for the scuba diving. I got in four really good dives on the Madeira (shipwreck) and the Hesper (article forthcoming). Those wrecks are both on the National Register of Historic Places. It was definitely a good weekend. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 02:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I spent the day doing flood cleanup in Rushford. I wasn't able to take my camera, but it was a good day. The historical society there lost most of its collection - damn shame. The town still doesn't have potable water.--Appraiser 02:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Footnotes

I have now gone into the Wang Ping (author) article which I have just added to Wikipedia and have piled in footnotes to what is, basically, a very short article. Unfortunately, this clutters up the article a great deal, not to much benefit, as the sources are all web material easily explored by the reader. Frankly, the footnotes are probably not necessary at all in such a short article, and as sources are cited in this very non-controversial subject, it's highly doubtful whether the lack of footnotes would have made readers doubtful of the authentictity of the material. But whatever it takes to remove the ugly tag from the top of the article, which does immediately cast doubt on a Wikipedia article to the casual reader.

When someone tags an article I have added or contributed to, as a matter of course I check that person's articles of interest and invariably it is the case that at least some of these articles have the same deficiencies that the person complains of. I would propose that the time spent hunting for deficiencies in other articles is better spent finding those deficiencies in the articles we contribute to and are thus most familiar with, as we know the subject better and are more likely to know what level of attestation is appropriate. Larry Dunn 15:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

greetings from FROM THE SOUTH

hi, we are looking for a mentor in order to help us with some projects. The first assignment we have to make is about Wikipedia, we are required to describe what "templates" are, about "editing policies", what is a "stub" and how do we start new pages. Please contact us to our group page School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/From_The_South

Belen Rios 21:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

69th United States Congress, for example

Why use "width=75%" on the Reps list?—Markles 18:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any reason; I began by copying one that was already done. Currently 56th through 69th have that. 55th and earlier did too until Stilltim changed the formatting. Feel free to change it if you'd like.--Appraiser 19:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, let's clear it. I'll do 69th.—Markles 19:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• Also, I've made the first of the two columns into width=50% and that should make it all line up nicely. I've just done this, for example, on 63rd United States Congress.—Markles 12:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

hi

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HI!!

Hi, my name is Oscar, I am a member of the group ZYANYA06, I would like to know if you are interested in helping us in our project, we would really appreciate your help, the link to our site is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/ZYANYA06 , we would like to know what are you studying and where, we need to know this just for telling it to our teacher and it is a way of proving that we are really making a good job and not making out everything. Well thankyou for your attention, I will be looking forward your answer. Yacopop 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Redlinked/Missing reps

As you continue plowing through the Congresses, can you copy any red-linked Representatives to Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/American politicians/Representatives, please? For example, I've just copied them from 63rd United States Congress.—Markles 12:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I didn't know that list existed. I've also been putting notes on the Delegation articles when I find mistakes in them (since I hate working with those tables), but it doesn't appear that anyone is incorporating the corrections. Are you planning to reformat them like you did for MA?--Appraiser 12:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

• Reformat which articles?—Markles 12:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Such as United States Congressional delegations from Massachusetts (with a new table each time the number of seats changed).--Appraiser 13:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

THANKS

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I'd be happy to help. I have a few suggestions.

1. Tap your CAPS LOCK button so that you type in lowercase except for proper nouns and to start a sentence.
2. Sign your posts on TALK pages with four ~~~~.
3. Tell me what you would like your navigation bar to look like.

Thanks, --Appraiser 22:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Lovely Girls

Hi, I'm Irene (user name: Hitoko) from the team Lovely Girls from Thelmadatter's English class. We were wondering if you could help us out by being our mentor in our English/Wikipedia project. We really are not familiar with Wikipedia's functions and policies, and we are having some trouble. However, we are willing to learn them fast (although it will be easier for us to learn them with some help ^ ^). If you can help us, please contact us in our group page Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/LovelyGirls. Thanks a lot in advance. -----Hitoko —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.139.78.41 (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/American politicians/Representatives

Thanks for your note.

Your are welcome. It's a pleasure. I'll check the missing list too. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Jingle All the Way

I lowered the protection for Jingle All the Way, in case you still are interesting in editing it. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks a lot for the suggestion... it is a great idea to talk about mexican beers

thanks lets keep in touch! we really appreciate it--201.158.156.18 20:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Adams-Clay Republicans

Hi! One of my efforts has been to add historical US rep rosters to various Rep districts (now focusing in New England right now). One thing I haven't worked out in my mind (and in the spirit of trying to be accurate) is if Adams-Clay Republicans should be grouped with Democratic-Republicans or National Republicans........Most of the rosters here show Adams-Clay as National Republicans, but outside sources show the election of 1824 shows the Democratic-Republican group (of which Adams-Clay was around then)as the only viable party at this time. I was reading the threads on Democratic/Republican vs. Republican vs. Jeffersonian Republican and certainly don't want to start an edit war. But if I go forward with creating the rosters, I don't want to create additional work by grouping this in the wrong body and having myself or someone else change them later. I suppose I could leave it alone for now, but someone else may come along and do it anyway without concensus. Any thoughts?........

And do you know who has access to the political party key?????? I wanted to discuss some stuff there too......Pmeleski 23:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Kenwood Park Water Tower

The Kenwood Park Water Tower isn't on the National Register of Historic Places, as far as I can tell. Washburn Park Water Tower and the tower in Prospect Park are on the National Register, as is the tower in Highland Park in St. Paul. I'm not sure why the Kenwood Park tower isn't on the National Register, unless there's some sort of barrier to eligibility.

Speaking of stuff on the National Register, I have a number of buildings where I've taken the pictures, but I haven't actually created the articles yet. That list is at User:Elkman/Todo now. I'm thinking that I should just start creating stubs for those articles, including creating the infobox, uploading the pictures, and adding some basic information from the Mary Ann Nord book. I've wanted to do full articles for all of these properties, but it might make more sense to create a number of stubs now and then fill in the details later. What do you think? --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 15:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Date formatting

Hello. Please be careful when using AWB to fix date formats. Your changes to Music from "The Elder" and Killers (Kiss album) made a correct usage into an incorrect one. Thanks. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 02:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ordinal Congresses

Table widths

As you continue to go through these Ordinal Congresses, can you please convert the table width as I've just done on 71st United States Congress?—Markles 02:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

At some point, I'll probably just write a script to fix them all; there are some other formatting changes I'd like to do too. But for now, I'm concentrating on getting the names in with correct links to their articles.--Appraiser 14:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Non-voting members

While you're at it, non-voting members of the House (Delegates & Res. Comms.) should be under the House not as a separate section. I just made the change on 105th United States Congress. —Markles 22:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot , I appreciate your time --Adrianalima87 01:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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E-mail?

Hi, I tried to respond to you via the "e-mail this user" function. Did it work? Please let me know when you get the chance. Thanks. Rock on.

--Sandboxes unite 17:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Tim Pawlenty.

I've fixed the two problems you pointed out; I'll get to work on the references throughout the article tomorrow. · AndonicO ^Talk 01:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. · AndonicO ^Talk 22:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

MN photos

I see some photos are missing from List of National Historic Landmarks in Minnesota. You might add {{reqphoto|in=Minnesota}} to the Talk pages of MN pages which could use photos. That adds them to an MN category for which makes it easier to find photo subjects in the region. There also is a tool being developed which will show the location on a map of the tagged articles which have geographic coordinates. (reqphoto MN map) (SEWilco 20:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC))

I've added two pictures for the Frank B. Kellogg and F. Scott Fitzgerald houses. I have a picture or two of the St. Croix Boom Site, but they're really just landscape views -- there's not much at the site other than a highway rest stop and a monument whose plaque has been removed. There's no machinery or anything left at the site to indicate that it was a logging operation. I can upload a picture anyway, though. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

May as well add what you've got, particularly one which shows what is there as a way for visitors to confirm that they're at the right place. And maybe someone won't like what it looks like and get the place improved. I've got coordinates and I'll check that list tonight. (SEWilco 22:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC))

OK, merged my database dump info in; there were a few in the database that weren't in the article. As usual, some of these NHLs are unprotected sites whose locations are not being published to prevent damage. I put the NRHP numbers in as fillers until someone creates summaries. (SEWilco 02:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC))

National Historic Landmarks

I'm not sure if you really wanted to create Frank B. Kellogg House as a bare category reference. I replaced the article with an infobox and a fairly basic stub. I'd work on it more, but I need sleep. I also added a couple pictures to the St. Croix Boom Site article and updated the NHL page, and I also started an article on the F. Scott Fitzgerald House. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 05:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't intend to create it; I must have been asleep.--Appraiser 18:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Meetup RSVP

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Minnesota Meetup

Sunday, 2007-10-07, 1:00 p.m. (13:00)
Pracna on Main
117 Main SE, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Map

Please pass this on! RSVP here.

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