User talk:BillTunell/Archive 3

Re: Oklahoma City Thunder userbox

Please respect the standard form for NBA userboxes. I restored the Thunder's to that standard. Tom Danson (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no wiki-requirement that all userboxes us the same template. My template is typical of many other wiki userboxes, contains no grpahics or other disputed elements, and has other improvements such as the embedded transclusion and accurate color specifications. If you have any specific objections to it under a published WP policy, let me know. In the meantime, I've reverted. BillTunell (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong with the standard NBA style for the userbox template? Why can't the Thunder's box look LIKE EVERY OTHER TEAM'S? Tom Danson (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I see you reverted, but never answered my question. Since this seems to be a userbox dispute, I'll get ahold of others involved in this to see their opinion. While there is no requirement that all userboxes be the same template, we still want to know why you resist my efforts to keep the Thunder's box looking the same as the other NBA team userboxes. Tom Danson (talk) 16:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

My answer is posted above. I don't mind if you want to open a public discussion, but I don't know what basis it would be upon. There is no wikimedia policy that requires that any userbox look like any other userbox. Unless directed by a wiki administrator on the topic, I will continue to render the improvements previously made. Let me know where you open a discussion. BillTunell (talk) 14:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I already have. And you still never answered what's wrong with the standard NBA style. ("cause I can" doesn't count) BTW, I think your style would be good for a SECONDARY userbox, but keep the primary ones the way User:UBX wants them to be kept, OK? Tom Danson (talk) 14:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Until they make a decision on the matter, could you please keep it uniform? If you want me to, I can make a User:UBX/NBA-Thunder2 one with your formatting (kinda like the Phillies one you have on your page). Tom Danson (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Since you are STILL not responding to me (or the talk page discussion) and reverting anyway, I have mad you a User:UBX/NBA-Thunder2 template. Post THAT on your page and leave the regular one alone, OK? Tom Danson (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to respond every time you post the same comment. I have responded above. The userbox is not against any wikipedia policy. The page you cited is a user page, not a policy page. Even if it were, it says nothing to the effect that all NBA userboxes have to look the same. I've asked you to identify where you posted a discussion, and you have not done so, although you claim to have submitted the issue for determination. Asking for adminsitrator resolution without inviting comment from the other side is backhanded and immature. Despite looking, I have found no Request for Comment boards on your complaint, and I have heard nothing from a wiki administrator.

The gist of this revert war is that you want the text within the userbox to remain left-aligned, using non-team colors, and without a transclusion link. Those are all useless changes, IMO, and don't add to any sense of uniformity among userboxes. You don't use the Thunder userbox yourself, so for the life of me I can't figure out why you care (unless it's a personality issue, which I suspect it is).

As I stated before, if a wiki adminstrator makes a determination, I'll abide by it. Until then, your position is merely an opinion with which I disagree. BillTunell (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

You can find it at User talk:UBX/NBA-Thunder, and a third opinion has been given. Tom Danson (talk) 21:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I have also given my opinion on this matter, and both of you need to use the RFC as a discussion forum. Do not make further changes to the template until the RFC is completed or you risk sanctions or blocks over this edit war. Note that my comments are not due to my status as an administrator but are related to my own personal beliefs in this matter; however, as I am uninvolved, I will not hesitate to block editors or protect the template. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Thunder Userbox RfD

Just wanted to let you know that I have decided to do a RfD on the matter-we are surveying users who are experts on this as to whether they want your style incorporated into the userbox ({{User:UBX/NBA-Thunder}}), or want to use the standard version. If you you want to comment, hit the RFC discussion page here. Thanks. Tom Danson (talk) 19:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I assume you meant RFC when you said RFD, since this does not involve a redirect issue and I don't see anything on the RFD page. I've commented under the RFC on the userbox' discussion page. I'll leave editing alone until the end of the RFC, although given the outcome of the 3O and User:Mets501's comments, I'm not sure why it was revertred to the oler version during pendency of the RFC. BillTunell (talk) 19:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for a compromise

How about we transfer your style to a potential page called User:UBX/NBA-Thunder2 so those who like that can use it, while those who prefer the standard can use that. (Don't worry, User:UBX is not an actual user page, just a public use account devoted to userboxes). Sounds fair? Tom Danson (talk) 17:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, from looking at the talk page, I don't believe we have reached a consensus yet. Please leave it like it was before until one is reached. Tom Danson (talk) 19:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The RFC has a timeframe associated with it. I'm not going to postpone reversions based on the voting outcome indefinitely. I've been generously patient with this. The RFC is now adminsitratively closed, and there hasn't been any unique commentary for several weeks. As I made clear on the comment page, I am reverting based on the outcome of the 3PO and the RFC. As I also previoulsy explained, I am comfortable with you creating a secondary userbox -- but your claims over the primary box have no basis given the voting outcome. BillTunell (talk) 20:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

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Abraham Lincoln

Another user and I are about to nominate it for FA, if you want in. It's looking pretty good. Thanks for all the work you did on the article previously. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Sorry my work on the article fizzled out ... new baby got in the way. But you'll get my FA comments, I promise. BillTunell (talk) 14:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

No prob. Congrats on the baby. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

NBA rosters (Thunder)

All "training camp invitees" are signed to NBA contracts - the NBA does not differentiate between them in their rosters, so you cannot pick who to include and who not to. It doesn't matter if the deal is fully guaranteed or partially guaranteed - neither the teams nor the league announce contract details, so the roster status cannot be affected by who you (or reporters) decide are invitees. (This is different from MLB, which has very specific roster designations for 25-man, 40-man, spring training invitees, disabled list, etc.) Blahblah32blahblah (talk) 22:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand the rationale -- teams usually have a couple dozen players under contract at any given time, and none of those get listed. Why none of the tender offer players, or players under last seasons' unwaived contracts (Kevin Ollie, for instance)? Why didn't we list the summer camp roster players, who are similarly under contract?

I've always been of the opinon that we should just go by the teams' published online roster which is cited as the informational source within the template. But if you want to keep fiddling with it based on media reports, go ahead, at least for now. I don't really care utnil the season starts and the roster hits its 12-man limitation. At that point it should reflect the actual status per the team website. BillTunell (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Robeson Congressional Hearings

Hi Bill, the article was tagged for neutrality by Str1977 who removed and tagged the other Robeson sub-articles created to take some length off the main article. I'm not sure why as it looks succinct, great and non povish. I started a discussion.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 10:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I noted my comments on the talk page. You've obviously made a lifelong friend in Str1977. BillTunell (talk) 21:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Haha!Thanks Bill, in restructuring the chronology of the main article I will now be moving Robeon's HUAC hearings there as well and will include Eslanda's testimony and the testimonies of those who accused him/supported/condemed him. So the article will be about something other than Jackie and Paul and be a place for all related Robeson hearings. A space saver indeed!Catherine Huebscher (talk) 9:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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I've researched this and find no free equivalent. If you are aware of one, I would be happy to replace. BillTunell (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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I've researched this and find no free equivalent. If you are aware of one, I would be happy to replace. BillTunell (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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The PD-signature tag does not seem to work outside of Wikimedia Commons, but I've inserted the rationale as well as the tag link. As a U.S. signature it is not copyrightable. I assume this should go into Wikimedia Commons. BillTunell (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

RE:Oklahoma City Thunder Pre-Season Game Log

Hmm, I think it's because I put "2010" as the year and it registers as 2009-10, I gotta change that in the game log coding. PDTantisocial (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Looks good now. Thanks. BillTunell (talk) 20:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

This again?

I abided by the new standards under which the UBX format was set (no more blue-on blue, alignment to center). However, I wanted to clean up the look (no other userboxes have these thick borders, and the team name is white on every other one). Keep in mind your constant reversions could violate WP:OWN as I believe only you want the userbox to look this way. If you want me to create a userbox with a format designed just for you, let me know-but please don't impose your preferences on the rest of us. Tom Danson (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

We've been through this with both the formal Request for Comment and Third Party Opinon proceses. Both have been resolved for over a year. I'm not sure why you're brining it up again now. But all the old analysis applies. BillTunell (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

NO OTHER TEAM HAS SUCH BIG BORDERS AND THE TEAM NAME AS THE SAME COLOR AS THE TEXT. I have come to accept your readibility concerns and central alignment for all the userboxes, but I felt some cleaning up was necessary. Besides, your designs actually make it look less readable and more grotesque (arguments I failed to produce in the earlier processes). Please, for the sake of maintaining civility, could you please let it go? Tom Danson (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

No. We've been through this before, and your rationale was not adopted by any of the reviewers in the formal processes. You can't just ignore community determinations at your whim. BillTunell (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I know they've ruled that you're not violating any Wikipedia rules, and I respect that. However, what I was asking was whether you could just go with this voluntarily. (Hopefully your response will be civil) Tom Danson (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Punctuation

Please read MOS:LQ to learn about standard punctuation practice at Wikipedia. CüRlyTüRkey^Talk_Contribs 05:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Curly: I'm aware of the MOS, but the MOS applies to articles rather than userspaces, essays or wikipages metapages. What you've changed is an essay on a wikipage. Interior punctuation is used there to be consistent with quoted sources which use legal style punctuation. BillTunell (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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I removed this tag as inapplicable here since the claim is PD-shape (public domain non-copyrightability). If you'd like to dispute that designation substantively, then I'm happy to go through one of the third-party processes (such as with the San Jose State PUF, where the issue seems identical). But otherwise it doesn't need and affirmative copyright release. So please do not delete on that basis. BillTunell (talk) 14:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks. I've added my response. BillTunell (talk) 15:10, 7 March 2014 (UTC)