# User talk:Cedar101

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## A cup of tea for you!

 Thank you for your edit of Tail call, putting the code variants there into a proper table! I tried once but it looked uneven and ugly; you made it very nice and beautiful. Thanks a lot! :) WillNess (talk) 09:04, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

## Broadcast XML Nominated for deletion

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## source lang="68000devpac"

The Motorola 6800 microprocessor is an 8-bit microprocessor while the Motorola 68000 is a 16/32 bit microprocessor. While some of the instructions are the same most are different. When you add source lang="68000devpac" less than half the instructions show up in color. I have removed the change. - SWTPC6800 (talk) 02:20, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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## languages for source

Hi, re this edit. What is "moin", and where can I find a list of valid languages? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

That list is https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/blob/master/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.lexers.php. The "moin" means MoinMoin wiki. Also "trac-wiki" is similar to mediawiki. c.f. http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/MediaWiki+MoinMoin+TracWiki -- Cedar101 (talk) 02:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Unfortunately no expansions or explanations are given. I guess that many of them only mean something to those who know about that language. But it does explain why people have been altering the previously-valid lang=html4strict and lang=html5 to lang=html. It's also justification to fix up several of Technical 13 (talk · contribs)'s edits where they insisted on using lang=BibTex for wiki markup (e.g. here), which (three times) I asked them not to. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Is there info written up on any help page on Wikipedia about using <source> versus <pre> versus <code>, etc.? If not, could you all add something to one of the relevant help pages? --Timeshifter (talk) 20:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
See MOS:CODE, H:HTML#code, H:HTML#pre, H:MARKUP#Text formatting, H:MARKUP#pre and mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight. -- Cedar101 (talk) 20:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It would be nice if there were a single help page just for formatting source wikitext for presentation. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Cedar101
I wish I had seen this before reverting (even though I might have reverted anyway). Basically, my concern is that I see no change, having tested it on two devices; one with a 1600px screen and the other with an 800px screen. Also, according to mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi, "moin" is not implemented yet.
Anyway, if you think my revert was unjustified, I am all ears. (I assure you, you will not have edit warring problems with me.)
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 18:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
In My PC and Mac, lang="moin" is working well. The "moin" implemation is in https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/blob/master/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.lexers.php#L341 -- Cedar101 (talk) 02:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
My screenshot
Well, looking at your screenshot, I'd say "moin" is not a useful choice anyway. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 07:42, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

## Matrix splitting

Thank you for updating the Matrix splitting article. I created the page a few years ago, but that was before I knew how to use NumBlk and EquationRef, so I kludged it. Since then, I have gone back and cleaned up some of my work, but I evidently missed that article. Happy editing! Anita5192 (talk) 07:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

## mvar and math

I have revered the format changes to Noetherian ring. Please do not introduce templates {{mvar}}, {{math}}. They are ugly and have some other issues. -- Taku (talk) 06:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Without {{math}} and {{mvar}}, 'I'(i) and 'l'(L) is not distinguishable. Using {{math}}, more readability is acheived. See MOS:MATH#Font_formatting and WP:Rendering math. -- Cedar101 (talk) 01:14, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
In such a case (I, l case), it makes sense to use [itex] or the templates. In any case, it is considered disruptive to change the format without establishing the consensus to do so. Before undergoing any format change, please justify why such a change is needed. -- Taku (talk) 07:07, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I strongly support . You are going through articles introducing changes in the formatting that are undesirable and very questionable under Wikipedia:Math#TeX_vs_HTML. I have undone some of your edits, but there are too many for me to undo them all. I ask you to get a consensus of editors to support your changes before making any further such edits to Wikipedia. 86.181.148.81 (talk) 11:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Let me add another comment. Longstanding practice allows for articles to use HTML/wikicode formatting for math -- it is completely acceptable. Unless there is a specific consensus that a particular article should change, the style that has already been established should be preserved. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:50, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles must have the editing quality of printed books. Lacks of <math> or {{math}} is not qualified for printed books. -- Cedar101 (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Having the quality of a printed book is an excellent goal, but it is not a Wikipedia priority. Other issues, such as HTML rendering in general, prevent it from happening any time soon. Stability of formatting is important to many people, however. It is perfectly acceptable on Wikipedia to use HTML/wikicode to format math (like this: C = 2πr). Many editors prefer that method for short formulas, because it helps the mathematics font match the text font, which is more like what would be found in printed books. Please don't make wholesale changes from one format to the other solely for the sake of change. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Why the mathematics font match the text font? On the contrary, the mathematical equations in most technical printed books have been set up using seperately mathematical fonts. In HTML, We have MathML stardard. All modern web browsers support it. The equations by MathML is a part of HTML5 semantic markup. -- Cedar101 (talk) 06:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

You are making changes to the way Wikipedia displays mathematics. Many of those changes are opposed by some editors. You do not have a right to impose your opinions on Wikipedia. If you believe that the changes you have been making are for the better, it is up to you to convince other editors: e.g. by getting the relevant Wikipedia policies changed. There is a procedure for this.

If you continue to make opposed edits, without first establishing a consensus, I will report you to the Wikipedia administrators. It is very likely that you will be temporarily banned. If you continue, you may be permanently banned.

For myself, I like some of your edits and dislike others. But I do not get to impose my opinions any more than you, or indeed any individual editor. Your most-recent edit, to Cobweb plot, looks to be improper; I have reverted it.

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## assembly listing

There's still a problem splitting the sample assembly listting in Assembly language - the line numbers and (more importantly) the oblect code still don't line up with the corresponding source lines. This shows up both on my iPad and on a PC with Firefox. Perhaps you can force some blank lines into the object code (nbsp) to force alignment? Peter Flass (talk) 17:18, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

In my all desktop systems(IE with PC and Safari, Chrome and Firefox with Mac), the source codes are aliged rightly. Anyway, I replaced the code text to the image. -- Cedar101 (talk) 00:44, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Both image and text versions look good now. Peter Flass (talk) 00:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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## Forth (programming language)

I reverted your edit changing the Hello World example to be printed using lang=factor. Factor isn't quite forth, and there's no point in changing one of several examples in the article to use that highlighting. I suspect if you change all the examples in the article, you'll eventually run into the syntactical differences between forth and factor, so it's better to not try to use that. Regards, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

## IBM 1130 FORTRAN

That's all well and good, except that the resulting displayed text is broken. Look at the //JOB and //FOR lines. - Denimadept (talk) 18:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, so you've still got an issue about syntax highlighting? Why? We're not using it, so it's not broken. When we used it, it was broken. - Denimadept (talk) 07:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The fact that it took you so much effort to use shows the highlighting module isn't worth using. I'm impressed you forced it to work anyway, but I think it was a lot of effort for no purpose. - Denimadept (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

That isn't much effort. I copyed and pasted that HTML source that mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight generates. Everyone can do it! :) -- Cedar101 (talk)

## use of markup

Hi, I noticed your edits and have a remark. Many of them are using obsolete markup that shoul not be used, such as "valign" in tables. I'd like to ask you to stop using such (old HTML) markup and use style attributes instead. Also, for editability, please leave the formatting (such as in Wikipedia:LaTeX symbols) on multiple lines instead of using a single line; it makes manual editing much easier. Thank you. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:25, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I used style attributes instead of old html(align, valign), and indent list(:) instead of <br/>. -- Cedar101 (talk) 01:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
cellspacing is also obsolete. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 11:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

As I have pointed out before, please do not randomly convert the way math is formatted in articles. The standard way to format mathematics on Wikipedia is with the [itex] tag and with HTML/wikicode formatting. The {{math}} and {{mvar}} templates are neither required nor even suggested as improvements, and there is no general goal of converting articles to use them. — Carl (CBM · talk) 10:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Opinions differ, and there is no set standard for simple inline math, for which {{math}} is intended. There is nothing wrong in making content wihting one page consistent. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 11:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Making a page consistent within the usage it already has is fine. Of course, if a page does not include any uses of {{mvar}} or {{math}}, then there is no reason to add these templates in an effort to make it consistent - consistency is easy to achieve by editing without using these templates. The general spirit of Wikipedia is that, if there is no standard that applies to all articles, then editors should respect the style that is already used in each article, rather than making edits solely to change articles to their desired optional style. — Carl (CBM · talk) 11:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

## Fmt for formulas

I personally dont like the font selection for the formulas that were inserted for BaSO4. More generally, my opinion doesnt count, but the community's views do count. So I encourage you to check at Talk:Chemistry about fonts for such an emblematic aspect of our articles. Also, we typically avoid indicating states in equations. --Smokefoot (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I introduced <ce> tag in the new features of Mediawiki. It uses the TeX's mhchem package that formats chemical equations automatically. -- Cedar101 (talk)
I reverted that line to the original format. A couple of comments:
• I don't have any particular preference for one format over another, but the guiding principle of Wikipedia is consistency. If you are going to be changing the format of how chemical equations are being presented, you should do the entire article not just select a random line and change that line (which I complained to you about earlier when you were doing programming languages). The usage should be consistent in an entire article.
• Which leads to a second point, this is something that should probably be discussed at Talk:Chemistry before you start making wholesale changes across Wikipedia.
Discussing a major project like this at Talk:Chemistry will save you a lot of effort if eventually enough people get irritated and simply wholesale revert every edit you ever made. That latter situation is unusual, but I've seen it happen when a conflict erupted and resolution was against the large-scale changes made by an editor. So now that you've had multiple people feed back to you that you're making mistakes, it's time you start getting to the "D" of WP:BRD. Regards, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I started the discussion in Talk:Chemistry#Help:Math#Chemistry: new feature of Mediawiki. -- Cedar101 (talk) 16:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, that should have been Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Per the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemistry discussion, there are many substantial concerns with use of <ce>, either at all, or at least where there is not an existing problem to be solved. You are not helping to gain support for your idea by ignoring those who have voiced legitimate-sounding concerns with it. DMacks (talk) 03:03, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

## Organorhodium

Hello,

Could you look at your recent edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organorhodium_chemistry#Examples? The examples disappear. I checked with my mobile, and the page doesn't display the examples. I'm not familiar with TeX-based formatting.

Thanks!

Georginho (talk) 08:18, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

My screenshot from mobile Safari 9.3
Which are the disappeared examples? I can see the all examples (See my screenshot.). Try "MathML with SVG or PNG fallback" renderer that can be selected in the user preferences; -- Cedar101 (talk) 08:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
This is my screenshot: http://s33.postimg.org/v9hrgdjnz/Organorhodium.png. Rendering indeed does help. But does everybody has this renderer option selected by default? (I don't have to enable this to see math formulae.) Perhaps, this is something for you to look into? Cheers! Georginho (talk) 08:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Would you have a reference for the "recovering ..." section [1] of the "odds ratio"page? Thanks very much for any guidance you can provide. ODa23 (talk) 13:11, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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## Mvar, tmath, etc.

As pointed out here back in January - please don't add templates such as math, tmath, mvar, etc. to articles that don't use them. The ordinary style of formatting mathematics is perfectly acceptable, and preferred by many editors. If you think that for some reason a particular article needs to change, get consensus on the talk page first - but keep in mind that the templated version is not objectively an improvement, it's just an optional style used by a minority of math articles. — Carl (CBM · talk) 10:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Semi-membership - it does not seem that much more copyediting is needed. Italic "HTML" formatting is a valid way to format mathematics, per WP:MOSMATH section 7.2. There is no reason to change the article to use the tmath template. Please don't go to existing articles and convert them wholesale from one style of math formatting to another. — Carl (CBM · talk) 10:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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## Math chem

It seems the math chem thingy rather messed up on Zanazziite and Sodium silicate - and I've removed it. Please check the results when using it. Also the resulting big bold format is garish and distracting. Vsmith (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

## January 2017

Please stop making disruptive edits, as you did at Hydronium.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. You know you don't have consensus for these widespread changes, and this symbol specifically was raised months ago as not being an improvement. DMacks (talk) 21:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

## Ragel syntax for Regular expression

Hi Cedar101, thanks for introducing <source lang=ragel inline> in the Regular expression article. It looks quite nice - except for the first image caption, when rendered on my tablet (Android 4.1): for some reason, a linebreak is inseted between '[A-' and 'Z]'. It is the same problem in desktop view and in mobile view. Maybe you have an idea how to fix this? On my laptop (Ubuntu 17 / firefox), it looks ok. Best regards - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 09:06, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

​ Sorry, I have no Android devices and idea about this rendering bug. Alternatively, I changed the {{code}} to {{sxhl}}. -- Cedar101 (talk) 09:20, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I just checked the new version, and it looks fine in all three variants. Thanks again! - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 12:13, 27 September 2017 (UTC)