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Kem Kem Beds[edit]

I had to undo your recent edit because you attributed information to a source I added a long time ago that I can verify does not actually contain that information. That said, your contributions sounded plausible, so if you want to source them properly I'm not against them being re-added. You can access your previous contributions in the article's history tab. Abyssal (talk) 15:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Miocene fauna of north - eastern Paratethys[edit]

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Nomination of Miocene fauna of north - eastern Paratethys for deletion[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Ophioptera[edit]

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African dromaeosaur[edit]

Hi John, please note that we've already got an article about these dinousaurs, dromaeosauridae. It states the same as your source website, namely that they are commonly called "raptors". But Dromaeosaurus "raptor" is not a species. So I've redirected your page to dromaeosauridae. Regards, De728631 (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


Prehistoric birds[edit]

Absolutely! Just be sure you've got good references for what you add; we've had some hoaxers in the past add all sorts of fake prehistoric birds, so project members tend to watch carefully for those. I look forward to learning about some new "old" birds! MeegsC | Talk 12:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi John: Thanks for inviting me to join your new project. Right now, I don't have the time to commit, but perhaps at some point in the future I will! Good luck with it... MeegsC | Talk 18:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Templates: Wikipedia:WikiProject Theropods[edit]

I'm assuming you meant to create these as templates. You need to create two separate templates as (for example) Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Theropods 1 and Template:Wikipedia:WikiProject Theropods 2. You accidentally created this as an article, so you'll just have to recreate them as separate templates. Don't worry about it; you'd be surprised how often this happens, even with fairly experienced users. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:17, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi John,

Thanks for the barnstar on my talk page. :) Good luck on your efforts to improve paleo-articles. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 06:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Subfamily Velociraptorinae[edit]

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Hello, John Troodon;

Let me explain. It seems that you're relying on references that have become outdated. Scelidosauridae is a holdover from the very early days of dinosaur paleontology. It consists more or less of Scelidosaurus, and most researchers these days no longer use families with only one genus. If there's only one genus in a family, there's not much need to write an article for the family either, because the two articles would be almost the same. It is true that Bienosaurus has been assigned to Scelidosauridae, and it has never been reevaluated, so if you can write an article on Scelidosauridae using only Bienosaurus and Scelidosaurus, that would be ideal.

Outside of the Internet, it appears that Scutellosauridae has only ever been used in The Dinosaur Data Book, a semitechnical book from 1991 based in part on A Field Guide to Dinosaurs from 1983. I've got copies of both, and they're old favorites. That's the problem: they're based on research from twenty years ago, which is not necessarily bad, but several of the members have been reevaluated. Echinodon is probably a heterodontosaurid, Trimucrodon is known only from teeth that belong to some sort of unknown primitive ornithischian, and Tatisaurus is a primitive thyreophoran that is probably more similar to Scelidosaurus (in fact, Spencer G. Lucas suggested that the two belonged to the same genus in 1996, but this was never widely accepted).

If you'd like the most recent overview of dinosaur relationships, the best place to go is Thomas R. Holtz's pages for the Holtz-Rey dinosaur encyclopedia. The main page is at, and the most recent genus list (from January 2011) can be downloaded as a pdf at

You should definitely keep working. Like I said before, you could write an article on Scelidosauridae using Scelidosaurus and Bienosaurus as the members. Also, try to avoid speculation, unless you've got a source for it.

(Also, you might want to consider removing some of your personal information from your user page, for privacy reasons)

I hope this helps explain what I was doing. If you have any questions, please ask! J. Spencer (talk) 18:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello again;
Even if you don't have Holtz's book, I think you would find the appendix very useful. It is something like, except more detailed. This is the direct link to the pdf file, if you decide to check it out:
No, I have not heard much about Crimean dinosaurs. I knew of Orthomerus weberi, but I had to look it up. There are many areas with few to no dinosaur fossils, so I am happy when new areas are added. Just be careful not to over-identify things (obviously I don't have it in front of me, but the Alectrosaurus tooth in your photo looks rather like a water-worn stone, which I have seen frequently on the North Shore).
Thank you for the invitations, but I no longer am an official member of any WikiProject. I had been a member of several, but I left them this winter because I felt like I was making promises I couldn't keep. I am happy to help in other ways, though, as I have been a steady contributor to Wikipedia since late 2006 and I know my way around the site. J. Spencer (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Crimean mammals[edit]

In reference to this edit—I wrote the article about Ambondro mahabo and currently work in mammalian paleontology, so I'd be interested to learn more about this fossil. However, it seems that it's inappropriate for a listing in Wikipedia according to our policy on no original research: you'll first need to get the find published in some reliable source, most likely a peer-reviewed journal. Ucucha 12:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011[edit]

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary for your edits. Doing so helps everyone understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. mgiganteus1 (talk) 15:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi, John Troodon, you'll likely not be pleased about this but I have suppressed a number of edits to your userspace which reveal too much personally identifiable information about yourself. I've done this per policy and for your own protection and safety on-line as you are a self-declared minor. I'm really sorry about that and I know it's annoying, but it's for the best. Please don't re-add it. For some useful information on privacy and safety, take a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Thanks, and sorry for messing about with your pages - Courcelles 15:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


John, you'll have no doubt noticed that you no longer have access to the history of your userpage. This is for your own good, and for Wikipedia's legal protection. I know that you removed your birthdate from the page when J. Spencer suggested it, but then you added a big notice saying how old you are anyway. That's not good. The content has been removed (and so has the userbox).

Sorry for the inconvenience. DS (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Image problems[edit]

John, I noticed those images you uploaded to Commons. There are some serious problems with those.

It's about what "copyright" means.

One of the files you uploaded was a photo of a TV screen that was showing "Jurassic Fight Club".

"Jurassic Fight Club" belongs to the History Channel. It is copyright to them. I know English isn't your first language, so I'll explain: "Copyright" is "the legal right to make copies of an (image/story/etc), and to control what happens to them".

What you did with your camera is, you made a copy of the picture on the screen. It might be your camera, and your TV screen, but that image of the Nanotyrannosaur still belongs to the History Channel. It's like that with books, too: you pay for a copy of the book, for pieces of paper that have pictures printed on them -- but those pictures still belong to the guy who made them (or to the book company, or... it's complicated).

The picture from the museum... that's scan of a postcard. It even says "(C)" on it. That means that they are the ones who own the copyright. You own that one copy of the postcard, but the people who run the website are the ones who own the copyright to the image. Commons cannot accept images that are copyright to other people. We have images that are copyright to other people, yes, but that's by mistake. And when we find them, we delete them.

The pictures you scanned from your copy of the Dinosaur Atlas - those aren't yours. They belong to either John Malam (who wrote the book), or Dorling Kinderley (the company that sells the book). You own a copy of the book. They own the copyright. Those images have to go also. The same goes for the picture of the fossil shark tooth. You own a copy, but the copyright belongs to Joe Cocke. Cocke can't take away your copy, but you're not allowed to make more copies and sell them or give them away.

The pictures you took of the fossils from your collection - those are fine. They can stay. And the picture you drew of the khersonotherium - it can stay also. You owned the copyrights to that drawing and those photos, and you released them. But you can't release copyrights that you don't own.

Copyrights aren't forever - we have lots of pictures that come from books whose copyrights have expired. But in most countries, copyright lasts until (a long time after the copyright owner dies; the exact number of years depends on the country you live in).

I hope you understand that this is not a criticism of you as a person; you were trying to do the right thing and to help Wikipedia. DS (talk) 19:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

template dinobox[edit]

Hi JT - what kinds of problems are you having with the template? de Bivort 21:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

OK - I looked it over a bit. It's hard to know where to start. So can you clearly explain to me what variables you want to include, for now, and what you want to have displayed when the value of the variable is specified. In fact, let's start simple. Why don't you strip out all but the first variable, whatever it is, and we can work on that one? de Bivort 22:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Dinobox[edit]

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Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

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Subfamily Velociraptorinae listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Subfamily Velociraptorini listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Dromiceiomimus(or Ornithomimus synonym listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Invite to the African Destubathon[edit]

Hi. You may be interested in participating in the African Destubathon which starts on October 15. Africa currently has over 37,000 stubs and badly needs a quality improvement editathon/contest to flesh out basic stubs. There are proposed substantial prizes to give to editors who do the most geography, wildlife and women articles, and planned smaller prizes for doing to most destubs for each of the 55 African countries, so should be enjoyable! Even if contests aren't your thing we would be grateful if you could consider destubbing a few African wildlife articles during the drive to help the cause and help reduce the massive 37,000 + stub count, of which many are rated high importance. If you're interested in competing or just loosely contributing any article related to a topic you often work on, please add your name to the Contestants/participants section. Might be a good way to work on fleshing out articles you've long been meaning to target and get rewarded for it! Diversity of work from a lot of people will make this that bit more special. Thanks. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:55, 13 October 2016 (UTC)