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WikiCup 2019 November newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is Better far to live and die / Under the brave black flag I fly Adam Cuerden (submissions), who over the course of the competition has amassed 91 featured pictures, including 32 in the final round. Our finalists this year were:

  1. Better far to live and die / Under the brave black flag I fly Adam Cuerden (submissions) with 964 points
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  3. Norfolk Island Casliber (submissions) with 817 points
  4. Wales Kosack (submissions) with 691 points
  5. Washington (state) SounderBruce (submissions) with 388 points
  6. Antarctica Enwebb (submissions) with 146 points
  7. United States Usernameunique (submissions) with 145 points
  8. Indonesia HaEr48 (submissions) with 74 points

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Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved much this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition, not forgetting User:Jarry1250, who runs the scoring bot.

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello Lee Vilenski/Archives/2019,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 819 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox.
Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools
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Second set of eyes
  • Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
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Your GA nomination of 2019 Paul Hunter Classic

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Dexit Issue

Hello! I believe that the dexit issue should be noted in some capacity in the lead, due to how much attention was put on it and how developers responded. I can understand not wanting to put too much emphasis on it,but I still believe it should be addressed. You said it doesn't exactly fit Neutral point of view, any ideas on how to better word it, if you are willing to note it? Thanks anyway. ShalomSir (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I think you are best suited to doing WP:BRD and creating a discussion on the talk page. Saying that fans sought a boycott is fine in the body, but we don't know the result of this (and I would suggest that it won't effect game sales) it's not really lede material in my opinion. The NPOV is that this also didn't discuss what the Pokémon company/gamefreak responded with. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Alright, I'll start on the talk discussion page then. Thank you for pointing out the problem! Cheers. ShalomSir (talk) 20:10, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2019 Treviso Open

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Your GA nomination of 2019 China Championship

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Your GA nomination of 2019 Treviso Open

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Your GA nomination of 2019 China Championship

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Please give us your valuable feedback on the new watchlist design in AMC mode

Hi, sorry to bother you but since you are one of the mobile editors I know, I am notifying you. Could you spare a moment of your time and leave your feedback about the new watchlist design in AMC? Actually several editors have criticized the new watchlist design and which is why a task on phabricator was created. We would love to hear your experience with this new version of Watchlist. Please leave your feedback at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions (a related discussion) Yours sincerely, Masum Reza📞 15:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Masumrezarock100 - I'm glad you caught me before I caught you. I am similarly unimpressed. I can see what is trying to be achieved here, something similar to the regular watchlist, but in using it over the last couple of days, I've found it to be buggy and slow. I actually appreciated the ability to previously click a change, and it show the diff as default, whereas now, to get a diff, it's quite small to accomplish (completely doable, mind). The biggest bug is to have the watchlist suggest there are new pages to load, but then either loading the same results, or reverting back to an earlier watchlist. Here's some other issues/suggestions
  • Why do we need a "Clear the watchlist" option? I can't imagine this would ever get used, and I am 100% worried I will activate it by accident. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't really think we need the site wide announcements on the mobile watchlist. The RfAs, ArbCom etc. just fills up most of the top of the watchlist. You have to scroll to see the first item. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • There isn't actually a way (that I can see) to close the above items. It's quite annoying. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I have the rollback hat, but due to the way the watchlist now generates items, if I click and item on the watchlist then press back, it will return to the correct location - great. However, it usually jumps back and forth a bit. On more than one occasion I have rollbacked a perfectly good edit due to this, trying to view another item in the watchlist.
  • In addition, have we updated some other parts of the mobile view recently? Quite a few of my userscripts now show up, but they are usually in wierd places. I have a "TV Tools" script, that shows up on every page where the options menu usually sits.

With that all being said, I can appreciate the work that is being done to play with the current mobile view. I'm not sure the current change (to look similar to the desktop view) is the way to go. The items are far too small. I hope that helps. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

What a coincidence! Other editors said almost the same! Would you please copy your comments to the talk page at Mediawiki? (I am worried that other people might not be able to see your comments, since it is your personal talk page) Or would you mind if I do this by myself? Masum Reza📞 16:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Ironically I am on mobile right now, so I'll post it later tonight. Feel free to move it yourself if you prefer. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
    I've subscribed you to the task on phabricator. Feel free to leave feedback there if you wish.
    About scripts are now showing part, this was implemented as per phab:T231925. Some gadgets/scripts are showing up because Minerva now supports mw.util.AddPortletLink method, which is a common way to add links to sidebars and menus. But the support was only "partially implemented" and as Jdlrobson predicted, some gadgets look weird because of this. Regards, Masum Reza📞 16:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
    I copied your feedback to the task on phabricator.
    Also we are going to disable the beta mode and it's features will be merged to AMC mode per phab:T237290. There is a chance that we might remove the MoveToTop feature as it is buggy (it doesn't render well in iOS devices). And it will probably superseded by a gadget. You are more than welcome to give your feedback about this. Best regards, Masum Reza📞 06:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2019 Treviso Open

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Your GA nomination of 2019 China Championship

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The article 2019 China Championship you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:2019 China Championship for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of MWright96 -- MWright96 (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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The WikiCup

Awarded to Lee Vilenski for the strongest contribution of did you knows (14 in Round 5) in the 2019 WikiCup

Congratulations! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:37, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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WikiCup Award

Awarded to Lee Vilenski for the strongest contribution of GAs (fourteen in round 5) in the 2019 WikiCup
Awarded to Lee Vilenski for being one of the eight finallists in the 2019 WikiCup and coming second.

Congratulations on both these awards! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

My first FA + other stuff

Hi Lee. How's married life treating you? I remember that great newly-wed feeling, make the most of it... So, the 2019 WSC article is now an FA, yes my first! I don't have any great ambitions to promote loads of articles to FA, but it is indeed quite a good feeling. And it is a rather excellent article, though I say so myself!

What's the situation with the 1985 WSC article? Are you going to promote it to GA first and then go for FA at a later date? I still have lots of comments on that one but have held them back for now. The 1984 WSC would also be a good candidate that I could offer further assistance with. I'm most interested in the mid-80s articles because that's when I first became a snooker fan back in my youth and I remember those days well. The 1991 one might be a good one too as I used to be quite a Parrott fan. I think Ronnie's BLP should probably be promoted to FA—but would that be considered as favouritism if we did that and not all the other BLPs? I'm not a particular fan of his, but he does happen to be the "greatest player that has ever lived" !! My personal faves these days are actually Selby, Trump, Murphy and Kyren Wilson (in no particular order) – what about you? I used to be a HUGE John Higgins fan until he, er, blotted his copybook so to speak.

I'm busy working on some rugby union articles at the moment, following our failed attempt at winning the world cup this year. That's another of the many sports I follow, and preps for the 2020 Olympics are hotting up too, so I have plenty to fill my time. Let me know when you need me though, always happy to chip in. Cheers, Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:27, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Rodney, hope you are well. I'm back to earth now, but a great day and ten days away. Congrats on your first. I feel that I need something to work too, so just "fixing" things on articles doesn't do much for me, but taking them through the process is what I like. Yeah, I'll take through GA then FA. If you have any items, please let me know on the talk, and I'll make the changes necessary.
The 1984 WSC needs a little expansion, and a few more cites, but at the very least could be a GA. I'd like to take most of the WSC articles through the GA process, so I'm happy to work on any. Bennyontheloose provided most of the sourcing, so we could take an article and work together to improve and nominate. I do think the Ronnie article needs some work, but could be a good shout. Don't worry about it being a BLP or favouritism, that's not important. For the longest time, the only cue sports FA was Masako Katsura, who whilst not a BLP, is still a biography.
I'm a Hendry, Murphy and Selby fan. I don't believe for a second that John did any of the things that people whine about; he got a years ban and that should be the end of it. I'd like to bring Higgins to GA at some point.
I did watch the world cup, but I'm not the biggest fan of Rugby. I could bore you with the list that I would edit; but it's all on my userpage. If you think there is any articles you'd like to work on, let me know! I am planning to promote all of the snooker articles to GA this year (it's a mammoth task.) I'm 5 snooker and 6 pool GAs in. I might try and get the Masters article to GA, and maybe the next Tour Championship article (it's easier with less players, IMO). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I've filled in the noted missing cites for the 1984 World Championship and added a little about prize money and the finalists' post-tournament rankings. What else can I help with on that one? I've got the Snooker Scene issue that covers it, so have more detail for most matches (including all the frame point scores). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

1987 World Cup (snooker)

Hi! Would you mind having a look at 1987 World Cup (snooker) ? I've not really added that much. I'm not sure if I've explained the format very well, but at least I've filled in the gaps that were there for results. I had a quick go at this one because I came across my old event programme signed by the winning team (Taylor, Higgins, Hughes)! I also found my ticket for the 1987 Masters final, so I might give that article some attention later. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, it just needs cleanup really. Adding results is definitely a plus. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I did a bit of a cleanup of the lede BennyOnTheLoose. It's not much, but it's something. Do you know if there were any broadcasts of the event? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it was covered by BBC from the start, afternoon and evening. (TV listing citation for the first day if needed: Witter, Sophie and Bridges, Adrienne. "BBC2." Times, 18 Mar. 1987, p. 35. The Times Digital Archive, Accessed 11 Nov. 2019.) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Cool, I'll add that. Could be a GA, if we tightened up the prose. Needs a couple more citations (things like database items and stuff), but it's nominatable. Any ideas on the prize fund? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I'll see if I can dig up any info on the prize fund, but unfortunately the British Library's Snooker Scene holdings only seem to start in 1990. Can you add in any "citation needed" notes on the article? I'll try and get them sorted, and see if The Guardian had coverage and anything to add in. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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Scoreline controversy (not in cue sports)

Hi Lee, how's it going? I'm having an interesting discussion with someone about scorelines in the rugby arena and now I'm really not sure myself. In snooker, we always put first the score that applies to the player that is the subject of the sentence, e.g. "Carter lost the match 5–6 to Selby". This rule is stated in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Snooker#Score format, but does it just apply to cue sports? I shouldn't have thought so as it's a matter of logic. Surely in any sport, if you lose the match then you would state the score according to your own point of view, i.e. with the number of points that you scored placed before the other team's number of points? I've tried doing this in some of the rugby articles, which up until now has been ok, but now someone has questioned it and I'm beginning to doubt myself... What do you think? Rodney Baggins (talk) 07:29, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I'll chime in a bit more when I am at a computer so I can search for some MOS, but as far as I am aware, it's a universal thing. It's certainly like that in tennis, for instance, where the score mirrors when referring to the next server. I'll take a look at the conversation and reply later. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks for chipping in mate, and for getting Mac's input. It appears that we are essentially correct but we're probably skating on thin ice as there's nothing really solid to back up our argument, and sometimes when you're up against opposition that just won't be swayed, it's probably best to just let it lie. I'll add a final thought over there later today but other than that it's probably not worth the hassle, and as long as we stick to the correct format in cue sports, then the rest of them can please themselves! Anyway, I'm helping Benny with the Ng On-yee article at the moment, as you know, and then I'll get involved with the 1985 WSC article again. Thanks for your support, I really did feel like a lone voice in the darkness! Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:21, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
It's probably something that should be standardized. I think it might be worth creating a topic about it at WP:SPORT. I'd like to see a standard way to deal with this. Could even go so far to become an WP:RFC which would then become the consensus Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) It's definitely not anything that should be standardised. The convention in tennis, true, is to list the score from the winner's POV; if you're writing about the loser, I recommend re-jigging the sentence to be from the winner's POV (e.g. in Roger Federer's article, instead of writing "Federer lost 3-6, 6-7, 4-6", it is probably better to write "Nadal beat Federer 6-3, 7-6, 6-4"; however, if you were just writing how many sets each one won, you would probably still write "Federer lost 3-2"). But anyway, I know for a fact that scores in rugby, soccer, NFL, basketball, baseball, and practically any other sport you would care to mention list the higher score first regardless of the subject of the sentence. – PeeJay 12:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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Championship Wrestling from Arizona

Hi Lee,

I'm writing about your review of Championship Wrestling from Arizona. I feel it was dismissed without being properly understood and am hoping I can provide context. I'm happy to work with you to understand what I can change on my end to make that context more clear within my article.

The articles cited (I will add more) don't contain "passing references". This Week in Wrestling is one of Sports Illustrated's (and the media as a whole's) largest, weekly, main-stream wrestling articles. It's written by, arguably, the top wrestling writer in the world. The Week in Wrestling doesn't contain passing references; it's a roundup of the top stories in wrestling that week. In each of the articles cited, CWFAZ is given a full write-up, complete with interviews and accolades, always being listed right after WWE and before several other promotions.

In addition, I'm confused about your comment RE: "not signed". As the piece clearly illustrates, CWFAZ is a developmental territory and, in its short time, has been able to send several of its talents to every single industry leader on planet earth. CWFAZ's peers (and subordinates) already occupy Wikipedia and independent or minor league sports teams (with an identical mandate to CWFAZ) occupy the site as well.

CWFAZ has been utilized by Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins as a developmental territory as well.

I have no problem manipulating the content of this article to better tell this story. In addition, I have located two additional articles on CWFAZ earning additional accolades and praise in Sports Illustrated which I will add to the article as well.

Thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by MickSPR (talk • contribs) 20:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi MickSPR, you've made a few points here, but realistically when you put in a draft to WP:AFC, the onus of responsibility is on yourself to prove notability. Here you've offered two sources, the first of which is hardly significant coverage of the promotion, more of a word on Peter Avalon. The second is more like it, but on it's own it isn't enough for WP:GNG. I'd just find some more refs, and add them in, and it might well pass. I'd mention quite a lot of the article is unsourced, and things like rosters aren't generally included on promotion articles, especially if they aren't contracted. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:46, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Draft:2019 World Women's Snooker Championship

Hi! Would you mind having a look at Draft:2019 World Women's Snooker Championship please? I'll hopefully be adding a bit of further text soon, but would appreciate your advice on tables etc. For the knockout, I only found that template I've used for accommodating 24 participants. I can't find all the K.O. seedings (which were based on the qualifying group results), so I thought I'd use the "seeding boxes" for the flags and have put in a few to see how it looks. Let me know if this is unacceptable! Thanks.

On another issue, do you know of any reliable sources for snooker career earnings for retired players? I've been trying to tidy up a few articles from the cleanup listing, but haven't found a non-blacklisted source for earnings (or indeed for century breaks). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

We do have a template at {{24TeamBracket-Byes}} that should be used for a bracket like this. I'd drop the picture of Reanne in the infobox and put it in as a caption in the prose, once it's published, you could add a logo under fair use.
No idea on sourcing for retired and women. Better asking at WP:SNOOKER Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
There is https://snookerinfo.webs.com/198687.htm snookerinfo that gives players centuries per season, and a list of those who have 80+, but nothing for those with less than 80 as counted. I think it's also blacklisted like cuetracker. I'm not sure if women's centuries are counted anywhere. It may be worth an email to the women's professional snooker organisation to see if they have a list posted anywhere, as realistically they should. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! WPBSA has partnered with CueTracker for https://snookerscores.net by the look of it, so maybe CueTracker or some version of it might be unblacklisted at some point. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
I always think it should be unblocked, but people are always against it due to inaccuracies. Realistically having a source that is occasionally wrong is better than listing no source, which is what we do now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:16, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Wrestling GARs

Hi Lee Vilenski. I know you have an interest in Wrestling and the Good Article process so was hoping you could look at a few articles for me. There are three John Cena, Shawn Michaels and Triple H that have had a {{GAR request}} since March/April this year. It looks like the same editor that nominated Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Cody Rhodes/1. I am not sure what to do about them. On the surface they have lots of tags that would normally result in a pretty quick delisting, but I know from experience that the editor likes to tag bomb articles. Could you have a look at them if you get a chance. AIRcorn (talk) 09:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Aircorn Sure. I'm pretty out of it at the moment, so I'm kind of behind, but I'll take a look when I get some time and energy. Hope you are well. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
The John Cena one is particularly bad in my opinion. It is clearly in need of a split (it's over 220,000 bytes in length), and has a lot of unsourced statements throughout. On a more minor note, it has an awful lot of badly placed wikilknks, either duplinks, or no links where there should be one (for instance rapper in the lede). I would support a demotion without major work on this one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I will start a GAR on that one and ping you to it. AIRcorn (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Aircorn I will take a look at the others soon, I promise! Could you look at my article at Ina Kaplan? It was also nominated for the same GAR process, but I feel it was in haste. I don't want to remove it as promoter though Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:23, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Sorry busy busy. I had a quick look at yours, it seems like a new editor getting a bit keen. I always find these a little delicate as we need as many editors involved in the process as possible, but they do need to understand the criteria a bit better. You are handling it well. I don't want to pile on at this stage and I will get to this article in due process so have no fear on that regard. Thanks for looking into the wrestling ones. AIRcorn (talk) 06:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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