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The Signpost: 03 September 2012

Hi there LegoKTM can you help any further with my article? Gairderek (talk) 13:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello,

I made my best effort to edit the page ActoGeniX as requested. But the warning messages stays. I deleted several sentences, and changed the wording. I can truly confirm that Actogenix have been published in reliable scientific sources, see below the page.

Can you help me / guide me to make it better?

Thank you

Leen Rosseel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leenrosseel (talk • contribs) 16:47, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

My submission is: Solomon Isaakovich Pekar. I tried my best by going across your websites. My submission has been rejected by several reviewers. I cannot understand what is wrong. What does not fit the Wiki criteria? If there are any specific critical suggestions, I would be happy to follow the guidelines. Without them, I don't see what can I really do. Erashba (talk) 13:36, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Rejection of Nexon article

I am unclear on the grounds for rejection. There are thousands of academic biographies on wikipedia with less justification for notability than this page, which includes links to 3rd party sources for awards, recognition, and media references. Lee scoresby pilot (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Solomon Isaakovich Pekar

I have submitted a page "Solomon Isaakovich Pekar". I have tried to follow Wiki requirements. The page has been rejected by several reviewers. I could not figure out what is wrong. I would highly appreciate receiving specific criticism. This would allow me making appropriate changes. Thank you.--Erashba (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

re: Strasburger & Price, LLP

Hi LegoK,

I've attempted to add a Wikipedia entry on this subject over the course of a year now (maybe longer). Each time I was declined because the reviewer said the content was essentially not notable enough. However, law firms of Strasburger's size and stature (and debateably less significant) have entries on Wikipedia. Strasburger is even recognized on Wikipedia's list of largest law firms in the U.S, which (in an attorney's mind) sets a precedent that it is in fact a notable organization (see [[1]]).

I've made a variety of changes to establish the notability of Strasburger using verifiable and respected sources, one of which directly quoted in the entry so as to ensure the entry's tone is impartial and separated from that of the quote. I've also referred to other law firm's Wikipedia profiles as benchmarks from which to write an entry that is neutral and factual. As I'm comparing these entries, I'm somewhat at a loss in terms of what to do next.

Strasburger is more than just a law firm - it's a historic institution in the Dallas legal community that has withstood over 70 years of practice and contentious matters. (See the note about Tom Unis. He is a local hero in terms of segregating Dallas schools, which he achieved through Strasburger. In fact, that particular case went on for 20 years and is very well-known locally.) As someone within this community, I can assure you anecdotally that this law firm has cultural and legal significance and consequently deserves an online place in history on Wikipedia along with its peers. I've done the best I could to support this with objective information that is available online and also via the ISBN agency.

If there is any specific advice you can offer so as to facilitate the inclusion of this article, I would be sincerely, sincerely grateful. Even it's to delete a specific phrase, section, etc. I will do as commanded.

I thank you and appreciate you for your time and guidance.

Best, MeredithMeredithshafer (talk) 21:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thank you for your help and patience! Enjoy the virtual brownie :) ComputerJA (talk) 04:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you LegoKontribsTalkM 04:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

kindly help

kindly help me about the wiki entry about jannat shahid Mutee86 (talk) 19:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:MMA

Hello,

i noticed you edited a Mixed Martial Arts page in August, but you haven't listed yourself as a Participant on the Wikiproject for Mixed Martial Arts pages. I've decided to try to drum up interest to get more people involved!

Kevlar (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 September 2012

Legobot not indexing my archive

Hi Lego

The old HBC indexer bot used to index my talk page archive, which I found very useful. I see that Legobot has now taken over the job, which is great ... but User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Index has mot been indexed since HBC indexer did it on 27th June.

I have checked my configuration, and it has not changed in that time. Do you have any idea what might be going wrong? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:20, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I believe it was caused due to the fact that your archive was listed in the template as "./Archive/Index", which my bot wasn't able to handle. I've fixed that, and am currently updating the database to reflect that. Afterwards I'll have manually have the bot index your talk page. Thanks, LegoKontribsTalkM 16:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much! That's very kind of you ... and sorry if my config was non-standard. I am fairly sure that I had copied that aspect of my config from one of the instructions pages, so if you can make it handles oddities like mine, I think that there may be more archives which can benefit. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
So it seems Legobot only detected up to archive 009. I'm looking into why it didn't find 010. LegoKontribsTalkM 01:58, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 fixed. Your index should update automatically now. And thanks for helping me squash two different bugs LegoKontribsTalkM 02:07, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #22

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Made new CreateItem special-page (also working JavaScript-less)
    • Special:ItemDisambiguation got lots of love and awesome autocompletion
    • Special:ItemByTitle also got lots of love and awesome autocompletion
    • The client-wiki now gets notified if a connecting Sitelink gets removed
    • Wrote Selenium tests for client-code
    • Editing/adding site-links will display a proper link to the page again
    • Removed auto-expansion for description/label input fields
    • Tested setting Mediawiki to use HTML5 to make sure it works as it should
    • Finished up work on new sites functionality in Wikibase and moved it as a patch to core (which is still awaiting review)
    • Worked on ValueHandler extension which will be used for our data values
    • Added “Type” entity type, plus skeletons for its associated Content, ContentHandler, ViewAction, EditAction and UndoAction
    • Implemented safeguards against text-level editing of data pages
    • Allow Sitelinks to Wikipedia only (fixed regression)
    • Wrote permission checks and edit conflict detection for ApiSetItem, undo/restore, etc.
    • Fixed display of deleted revisions of data items
    • Added --verbose option to pollForChanges maintenance script to show change summary
    • Bug fixes and improvements for right-to-left languages
    • Updated demo system
    • The long format (more like the json output format) for wbsetitem API module is now alive
  • Discussions/Press
    • Sent note about Wikidata to all Wikimedia projects via Global Message Delivery - generated quite some feedback on Meta
    • Started page to coordinate discussions about bots around Wikidata
  • Events
    • State of the Map
    • Health 2.0 Berlin meetup
    • upcoming: Software Freedom Day
  • Open Tasks for You
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 15:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I have submitted a page Solomon Isaakovich Pekar, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Erashba&diff=next&oldid=511117789 It has been rejected by several editors as "essay" without any specifics. What is wrong. What Wiki might wish to be added? I spoke with TParis who promised to make a note and to ask for an additional review. I have not heard from Wiki since then. What else can I do? --Erashba (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Bot bug

Hello, your bot is tagging sandboxes for speedy deletion as redirects to nothing. While it is true that they are pointless, I don't think G8 covers the userspace. Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about that. I've excluded all pages in the User and User talk namespaces. It should exclude any other namespaces let me know. Thanks, LegoKontribsTalkM 01:56, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Broken redirect bot

Just curious: do you have any news on the proposal of having a bot to mark broken redirects? I've never gotten any feedback at all on the {{db-redirnonebot}} template, so you might as well use it if you have the script ready to go otherwise. Nyttend (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me about that, I'll file a BRFA for that in the next few days. LegoKontribsTalkM 22:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the work! Seeing that the trial was approved, I looked at some deleted contributions, and I'm confident that this is doing what I hoped to see. Nyttend (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 September 2012

Adopt-a-user

Hi Legoktm. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved as an adopter with Wikipedia's Adopt-a-user program. A clean-up of this program is currently underway, and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is and isn't still interested in remaining an adopter.

If you would prefer not to be part of the adoption program anymore, you need do nothing; when the overhaul of the project is completed your name will be removed from the list of active adopters. However, if you have current adoptees, an active adoption school or an interest in adopting in the near future, then please let us know by signing here.

If you want to remain in the project and can currently take on more adoptees, there is a serious backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user; it would be enormously helpful if you could take on one or two of the users there. Please do keep an eye on the project for upcoming changes, we could use your opinions and your help! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:08, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Helping Prash

Good morning! Thanks for answering the help request at my talk page. Unfortunately, I had a very hectic day and evening at my day job and couldn't get to it until just after you did. I have now responded to the editor to provide assistance to him in his effort to develop his article. Again, I really appreciate you getting back to the user in a timely fashion. Have a wonderful day. Kind Regards, Snowysusan (talk) 07:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem! And I hope you have a better day tomorrow! LegoKontribsTalkM 07:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #24

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Met with a group of database experts from different projects to get input for phase 2 of Wikidata
    • Updated demo system (the corresponding git tag is c2425396f765ee77c990fd4b235c3d8d9f569018)
    • Selenium Tests for Edit Conflicts
    • Bugfix for weird behaviour of NOEXTERNALINTERLANG magic word
    • Bugfix for updating language links on client (they were not updated when the connecting link got removed or changed)
    • Windows support for pollForChanges-Script
    • New special page Special:CreateProperty for creating property entities
    • Property entities can be displayed now, editing them does not yet work
    • The API is generalized to handle additional entities
    • Created initial DataType implementation
    • Created store for the client
    • Improved and extended store for the repository
    • Started on initial DataValue implementation
    • Wrote tests for client
    • Fixed localization bugs
    • Special:ItemDisambiguation page now automatically populates the language field
    • Created a central place for associating entity content models with namespaces
    • Created functions for checking whether a given namespace is an entity namespace and whether a given content model is an entity model
    • Worked to make Items work in the main namespace, removed assumptions about the content model of the main namespace in several places
  • Discussions/Press
  • Events
    • Software Freedom Day
    • upcoming: Leipziger Semantic Web Tag / MLODE
    • upcoming: Datengarten
  • Open Tasks for You
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 13:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Power Shift

Hi Lego,

Thank you for your recent message. I am new to Wikipedia, as you may have noticed, so I would like to answer a couple of points you politely raised in a message to me earlier today.

I can assure you that this username is only used by myself. There are a few IP addresses noted with the username, however this is only because I do not own my own computer and often use libraries and friends' computers to make edits. Whilst I am excited about the New Zealand Power Shift event, I do not officially represent it. I have some minor experience writing hard-copy articles and will always do my utmost to ensure the text I submit is neutral.

I would like to say thank you for your feedback though, it is always nice to receive a welcome message and I can see that you are being helpful. I may well take you up on your proof-reading offer in the future. My RL name is Will if you prefer to use this.

PowerShifters (talk) 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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If I cannot leave this link on this page, is there anyway to remove the name of the person from this site ? This is about about the email hacking of Palin. Under your own guidelines pages should not be about individuals who have one incident. Is there any where to put the court documents up on Wiki ?Constitutionguard (talk) 03:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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Page Curation newsletter

Hey Legoktm. I'm dropping you a note because you've been using the Page Curation suite recently - this is just to let you know that we've deployed the final version :). There's some help documentation Wikipedia:Page Curation/Introductionhere that shows off all the features, just in case there are things you're not familiar with. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:55, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Greetings, i have made a page of my late grandfather Đorđe Kačunković, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90or%C4%91e_Ka%C4%8Dunkovi%C4%87 There are references to him in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Sloboda_U%C5%BEice FK Sloboda Užice , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radnicki_Nis FK Radnički Niš Thanks in advance, Damien — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashiki23 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Dashiki23 (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah sorry, my 1st time making an article, so i wasn't aware. Here's some references: http://www.fcradnicki-nis.com/treneri.php http://www.pobjeda.me/arhiva/?datum=2005-10-23&id=73358 http://www.pancevac-online.rs/arhiva/!4069/09sport.htm http://www.glassrpske.com/novosti/vijesti_dana/Sportska-galaksija-Kap-veselja-u-svlacionici/lat/5525.html

Thank you in advance, Damien


Dashiki23 (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm new, may I have a little help?

Hello there! I just made my first article today, Julie Klassen, and you marked several things wrong with it. I was wondering if you would tell me where the problems are so that I may fix them? Also, how the notes at the top of the page might go away? I am a fan, but I tried to keep it neutral and just used information I could cite. I really want to do a good job on Wikipedia, so I will always be looking for ways of improvement. BookBard (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I am still working in the article of my dad. I have the references, i will add them now. Thank you Juliana Turpo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianalore (talk • contribs) 00:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 September 2012

Db-redirnonebot

Thanks again for the LegoBot work with this template. I just noticed your conversation with Gogo Dodo on the bot's talk page regarding the deletion rationale — earlier I had noticed this problem as well, and I fixed it (eventually; it took several edits to get it right) so that it automatically provides the deletion rationale. Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! LegoKontribsTalkM 02:24, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look at process study.

You have been faster than anybody else up to now. I hope it is okay that I removed your orphan tag, since it is no longer an orphan. Brn-Bld (talk) 08:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the cookie, and of course it is. Happy editing, LegoKontribsTalkM 08:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Made changes to Roya Mahboob article; Does it look any better?

Hello,

Thanks for letting me know about the problems with the Roya Mahboob article I wrote. I made a lot of changes (described in the edit summary) and I think it should be okay now.

Can you let me know if it looks any better? Is there anything else I can do to keep it from being deleted?

Thanks for your help!

MaggieElf (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)MaggieElf

Thanks, it looks much better! I will remove the deletion tag now. LegoKontribsTalkM 17:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

The Invisible Barnstar
For your very helpful IRC assistance. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! LegoKontribsTalkM 08:39, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your comments regarding USA Warriors hockey, I will keep making edits in order to improve the page. Biciklista10 (talk) 01:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

AfDs

Probably Mauro Mellano was notable both under WP:AUTHOR and WP:PROF. But in any case it wouldn't fall under A7 , because asserting that someone wrote a book (other than a self published book) is an indication of possible importance, as is that someone was a professor at a famous university, and a good faith indication like that is all it takes to pass speedy. It's deliberately set as a very low bar, less than notability. I wouldn't suggest AfD, because the odds are very high it will stand. DGG ( talk ) 04:49, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I see another admin declined the deletion of Tyrell Crowell. As a HS player with only city -level awards I doubt very much he was notable, but the article was a good faith indication of possible importance. I think it won't survive AfD, but someone will probably argue for notability on the basis of the GNG, and the community will decide what to do about it when you nominate it, as you should.

For AIESEC Aarhus, I deleted it as promotional. I think as a major european student association it might be notable, and I sometimes rewrite articles like this, but this one would have needed complete rewriting --even if it is not a copy or translation of their web site. Ebankbooks i deleted--it's a classic advertisement.

On the other hand, Azad University Tehran medical Branch just needed some excision. It also needs rewriting into English. I made a start, but it needs much more work. As all med schools are considered notable, there's no point trying to delete it--such articles can at worst always be stubbified. And another admin similarly decided to fix Avigilon.

The author deprodded Candybuffet, as is his right for a Prod. It sounds very unlikely, but it does have sources. I can't guess what we'll do with it in the end. Id be tempted just to tag it for the needed improvements and look in a few months.

I know you've been here doing this a long while, but it's easy to drift from the guidelines when trying to cope with all the unsatisfactory or barely satisfactory articles we are getting. I re-read CSD and Deletion Policy every month or so, because I know I drift also, and this is why I've always said no admins should be doing deletions single-handed without somebody else checking. The normal level you should aim for in speedies is considered 90% accuracy. Some say 95% , but with some types of promotional articles it's hard to do that well, because the standard depends upon interpretation. But for A7, 95% is an achievable goal. For prods, such a numerical standard does not work well, because the goal after all is to get them fixed so they do not have to be deleted, so the ideal is that everything you nominate gets the necessary improvement. DGG ( talk ) 05:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to write all of that. I think I will go re-read the relevant policies since I haven't for a while. LegoKontribsTalkM 06:05, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #25

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Updated demo system
    • Added per-language uniqueness restriction for property labels (You can only have one property with a given name in a language. For items this applies for the combination of label and description.)
    • Tests for noexternallanglinks, CreateProperty, PropertyView
    • Finished base of DataTypes and DataValues extensions
    • Added resource module for loading site information
    • Improved change handling on the client, including when items are deleted and inserting changes that affect the client wiki in the client’s recent changes (still rough)
    • New "List all datatypes" Special page
    • Finished property view. Property entities can be edited now
    • Changes to some of the containing structures in the API, items to entities and item to entity
    • Change to token handling (gettoken has died in flames, use edit token from action=tokens instead)
    • Some cleanup for the security audit
    • Worked on encapsulating auto completion widget from EditableValue.autocompleteInterface
    • Started work on supporting access to remote wikis via the ORMTable class
    • Discussion and fixes regarding transaction logic in core
    • Made a git branch for the first deployment that is currently being reviewed by WMF (current review status)
    • Test coverage for Wikibase and its extensions is now recorded and visible online
  • Discussions/Press
  • Events
    • Leipziger Semantic Web Tage/MLODE
    • Datengarten
    • upcoming: Wikipedia Stammtisch Berlin
    • upcoming: Berlin Open Source Meetup
    • upcoming: Data Days
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • If you are doing a Wikidata intro or something like that at an event we can send you some swag like stickers and flyers. Let me know well in advance please so it reaches you in time.
    • We have a shiny new contribute page
  • Open Tasks for You
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 08:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

F-J Dickhut

I have added some references - actually the same as there are on the German language page. Hope that's sufficient for the English page as well. I had started the page, since there was a dead link to him in the English Wikipedia.Rieger (talk) 09:49, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks! LegoKontribsTalkM 09:53, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Legobot 21

It was approved for a trial run Sfan00 IMG (talk) 02:09, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I know, I've been having a few issues with template detection so I had to rollback a few edits, however I'm still working on it amongst other projects. LegoKontribsTalkM 02:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
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