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Your submission at Articles for creation: Elcka (December 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference

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Theroadislong (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! MJSC123, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Elcka concern

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Elcka, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

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Your draft article, Draft:Elcka

Hello, MJSC123. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Elcka".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Legacypac (talk) 14:00, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Elcka

Hello, MJSC123. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Elcka".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Lapablo (talk) 23:07, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Elcka (July 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

This submission appears to be taken from https://www.elcka.net/biography.asp. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license or into the public domain and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure.

You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.

Draft:Elcka may be deleted at any time unless the copied text is removed. Copyrighted work cannot be allowed to remain on Wikipedia.
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🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Elcka

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Elcka requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.elcka.net/biography.asp. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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August 2023

Hello MJSC123. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:MJSC123. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=MJSC123|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi no I am not being paid anything just trying to get the correct information on the page, am happy to make whatever suggested edits are needed, many thanks MJSC123 (talk) 13:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is your association with the band? 331dot (talk) 15:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Elcka has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Elcka. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's a load of old rubbish to be honest for some reason you're just "anti" this whole article for no reason that I can see. The written article is no different to this one written about a similar band from the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangelove_(band)

This whole period was before the age of the internet & so all of the articles backing up the statements were written in the Melody Maker which isn't available as an online archive, we're talking about 1998, but you can clearly see that the date, the publication and the author are visible & the articles backing up the statements were all from the national music press of the time. I am happy to make changes but if you compare the 2 articles there is little difference. MJSC123 (talk) 18:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see your "written article" the draft has no content? See also othercrap articles exists, Strangelove (band) has been tagged for poor sources for 13 years so probably not a good example to emulate. Sources do not have to be online. Theroadislong (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Their own website cannot be used to establish notability, you need to show how they pass WP:NBAND. Theroadislong (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yes the version I had created was deleted, is there any way to get it back, they did restore it before when it got deleted. The point I'm making is that the sources are only available from the bands website as they are scans of national music press media from the time which isn't now available online for example this article: https://elcka.net/article_viewer.asp?desc=Elcka%20Top%20of%20the%20Fops&folder=press&file=Elcka%20Top%20of%20the%20Fops.jpg

it's hosted on the bands website but was from melody maker which was 1 of the national press weeklies in the UK at the time & you can see the date, the publication name & the author clearly at the top. At the time this was the national music press so this must be considered a valid source. It's not just been written by the band these are scans of press reports. The Melody Maker folded in around 2000 & along with the NME was the primary source of "new music" information in the UK really before the internet took off & killed off these publications. All of the sources used in the article were from national music press reports like the Guardian. Most of the material isn't available as a direct link from the publication as many of them don't exist any more. MJSC123 (talk) 08:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then you should simply cite the press information without citing their own website- it's up to readers to locate the sources if they want to review them(such as locating them in a library archive). All you need is the name of the publisher, title, date, page number, author, etc. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks, is it possible to get back the deleted version then I can make the changes MJSC123 (talk) 12:19, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1 question how, do the moderators check what you're saying is correct if there is no direct link to the source surely they need to validate what you're saying is true,as mentioned these publications are no longer online only hard copies (scans) exist ? MJSC123 (talk) 12:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that these documents don't exist anywhere else in the world? Documents exclusively in private hands aren't acceptable as sources. 331dot (talk) 12:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If these documents are from publishers they are usually in a library or archive somewhere. 331dot (talk) 13:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yes they were published they were national press written & published in the uk, so they would exist as copies somewhere like the British library for example I'm really surprised there is no online archive, there is this but it only goes up to the 1980s https://worldradiohistory.com/Melody_Maker.htm MJSC123 (talk) 14:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then that's probably all right. A source does not need to be easy or free to access, it need only be available to the public. You don't need to provide a specific location, just the information necessary for someone to locate it(author, publisher, date, page numbers, etc.). If locating it requires that one travel to the British Library, then that's what the reader will need to do if they are interested in verifying the information. 331dot (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks is it possible to reinstate the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elcka which was created with the deleted content as this version has no content, it was deleted before I could get it back, then I can make the changes MJSC123 (talk) 08:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to ask at WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please can I get the deleted version undeleted & then I can amend as per the discussion in this thread which explains the correct process to use the sources not from their website MJSC123 (talk) 10:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Draft:Elcka

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Elcka

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Elcka, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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I suggest most strongly that you write the draft in your own words. These words may be freely licenced, but they are journalese. Wikipedia is not a magazine. The is not WP:NPOV, and is full of peacockery and fluff 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 2023

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because your account is being used only for advertising or promotion.

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