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People are talking about you

People are talking about you here Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#User:Neptunekh2 - long term competence issues. You must read what they are saying and you must talk to us about what you want to happen. You can talk here on your page, or at the page I have linked to. Would you be willing to try working with another editor? Please do not delete this message without answering. People will not be happy if you do. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And they are not being nasty (please read this and reply)

Hello Neptune, I don't know if you remember me, I posted to your talk page recently but you just blanked it and didn't reply. What a shame!

Well, several people are concerned that you mean well but a lot of what you are doing is not constructive and so gets deleted. People are talking about you because they want to try and focus your energies on contributing to Wikipedia in a positive way and not spend your time doing a lot of intensive editing that only gets deleted.

You placed this userbox,

This user tries to do the right thing. If they make a mistake, please let them know.

on your user page, and what people are trying to do is exactly that.

So are you a liar or what? Please go and read the discussion concerning you, no-one wants you to stop working on Wikipedia, people would like you to channel your energy more positively. Please try to engage in dialogue, nobody wants you to be blocked from using Wikipedia but if you refuse to discuss these issues then, sadly, this may happen. Please reconsider and accept the helping hand that you are being offered. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 20:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let's work together!

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A couple thoughts

From reading the discussion at ANI, there are two related issues people brought up. The first was your categorization of articles; many people seem to question whether you really know what you're doing. I suspect you have some idea, but you're making too many mistakes. I don't do a huge amount of category sorting, but I know the basics, so here's my suggestion on this. If someone removes a category you've placed, take a closer look at it. If there's any doubt in your mind whatsoever, take it up on the talkpage, and you can leave me a message if you'd like. The second, which I've seen some of, is the nearly-simultaneous cross-posting of questions. My advice would be this; ask whatever question you want, but make sure it's in the appropriate place. Consider asking similar questions all at once; we can reread your questions in type, so it's not hard to respond to a 5 point question if necessary. Once you ask the question, wait at least 48 hours before following up, but keep it in the same location. I'm one of the very few on the autism spectrum not to be cursed with impatience (one of the big reasons I still have the PDD-NOS label; I don't fit anywhere else), but like you I'm fascinated with arcane topics. Sometimes it takes a while for someone who knows the answer to show up. Recently, I undertook a months-long search to track down a book about the Ainu; it was very hard to wait, but I had to. One last side note as well; when responding to comments, you don't need to create a new section. You can just respond by indenting your comment one level below; it keeps the flow of a conversation easier to follow.

With all of that said, I want to say that I think you can be a tremendous asset to Wikipedia. There aren't a lot of editors interested in what you are, and we desperately need more coverage in those areas. I will read up some more on Nunavut and related topics so I can work with you there. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like you to read over the biggest article I've written, Zoya Phan. I didn't start it, but I turned it from a two-paragraph stub into what it is now; I'd really like someone to look it over. I think you'd find it very interesting. If you enjoy that, I can point you to some more articles in that area. But that's not an obligation; if you don't want to, it's not a big deal. Thank you for agreeing to work with me, and you can ask me anything you want on my talkpage; if you want to e-mail me, that's fine too. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did you catch what Elen said at my talkpage? I'll copy it over for you; "Neptunekh, you also posted the same request at helpdesk [1] and when Hoary asked you not to do that[2], you posted the same request on his talkpage [3]. You have got to stop doing this. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)".[reply]

To echo her advice; slow down. Wikipedia isn't going to break just because we don't have every piece of information right now. If you look at the edit history of Zoya Phan, for instance, you'll note it took me weeks, and I still periodically tack things on. I don't mind if you ask me to work on an article, but keep it in one place. Instead of going to the help desk, you may want to consider finding a relevant WikiProject, or consider trying to learn how to properly research a topic. I understand your love for information, but you have to slow down. Can you understand why what you're doing is problematic? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're misunderstanding me. God knows I don't want you to leave Wikipedia; I think you really have a lot to offer. What I want you to do is slow down a bit; Elen offered you some excellent advice; I'll give you a fuller response when I have time, but the short answer is no; don't get discouraged, just change your tack — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk • contribs) 17:49 (UTC), 1 June 2011

OK, I got an unexpected reprieve. You seem now to be listening; I don't want you to leave Wikipedia, what I want you to do is slow down on the questioning. That's what seems to be bothering people. Here are the two ideas I have to help you. First, before you ask a question make sure you spend at least 25-30 minutes trying to find the answer. After that, same as what I said above; ask one question per 48 hours, and only ask it in one place. Would you agree to that? Once again, I want to say that I don't want you to leave Wikipedia, and that this is not intended to pillory you or make you feel bad; I want to help you get along with other users here so your experience will be better. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine; seems like a good solution. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 18:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Something to think about

Hi Neptune, I'm a bit busy IRL at the moment and want to write some suggestions, advice, answers for you and Blade, but I have to water my vegetable garden (it's very hot here and we've had no rain for, like, six weeks) and do other stuff too.

You seem to be impatient or maybe just used to the Internet and googling for answers, where people reply in 5 seconds/minutes/hours. I am used to this too and when I want to know something I try to go to the right forum, Yahoo answers and so on and I expect the Internet to answer me (almost) instantaneously.
Okay, here's the thing, I grew up before the Internet and mobile telephones and all that, so people used to go to the library to research things, and, before that, people used to observe things for years before being able to describe, give information and so on.

So here's an exercise, do you eat bread? What's bread made from? How does wheat grow? Did you know it was a wild cereal that human beings observed and domesticated? How does that happen? They didn't learn it at school or from their ancestors. What? They just sat in a field and looked at some random cereals growing and said hey we can cross-breed this and make a more reliable cereal that we can cultivate and so on?
They didn't have the Internet, so how did all this happen? Some will say the goddess of agriculture Demeter instructed the human race, others will say it was the innate intelligence of the human race that allowed them to master nature!
Basically, in this world, things take time, people would observe for seasons or years or generations to learn something, maybe you could wait a few days before becoming impatient and posting the same questions all over the place (I hope this is a reasonable request). CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 21:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Idlout

Just wanted to say thanks for creating the page. I don't often create pages for people as I'm too close to the subject to decide if they are notable or not. I had a bit of luck and found a free image from Collections Canada. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 20:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just checking in

Hey, I just wanted to drop in and see how you're doing. I see you've asked a couple of questions at the RefDesk; that's fine, as they aren't quite the same things, but I'd wait at least a few days before asking anything else. Have you ever considered getting a detailed map of the world? I think that would help answer a lot of your questions; I love geography myself, so I got myself a very detailed atlas. Alternatively, you can download Google Earth for free (I can give you the link if you like) and mess around with that; it's a very useful tool. Anyways, just wanted to see what was up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The link for Google Earth is here. It's very quick, and it's free. List work coming up in a moment here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On my talkpage, Elen of the Roads asked me to leave you a message, which I was going to do of my own volition anyways. You're starting to fall back into the pattern of rapid-fire questioning that was irritating other people again. As I've discovered in researching the Ainu people, the price of loving obscure topics is that it takes a lot of time to find the proper information on them. Remember what I wrote further up on your talkpage about asking questions; believe me, I understand how hard it can be to hold back (though I didn't inherit that as part of my PDD-NOS, I'm taking over running a AS support group in my area; keeping things on track takes a considerable amount of tact, which is not one of my virtues), but you really need to. This should not be taken as a criticism of your content work- CambridgeBayWeather's note to you above should prove you're doing a good job there. Just take it easy, and if you find yourself getting impatient try to find some information on it. Research is a lot of fun once you figure out how to do it properly, and that takes some practice. But once you do it, you will find it's a very good experience. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference desk

Can you stop asking more or less exactly the same question in different desks? For example [4] [5]. You've done this several times for several months and many people have requested that you don't do so in response to your questions. Even if a question would legitimately fit in multiple desks, choose the one you feel best. Posting the same question to different desks without making it clear you have done so is very annoying because it causes confusion, a split in the answer and people may waste their time writing something which has already been written in the other desk. Occasionally if you are not receiving sufficient responses it may be acceptable to post a link to your question in another desk, but this usually does not help as people interested in questions related to the topic will likely already be checking out both desks.

As has also been remarked before in response to you, there's usually no point asking what's substanially the same question every few weeks. The RD only has a limited pool of people most of who check it often enough that they will have seen your question the first time. If you are not satisfied with the answers or you have a follow up question that is related but not quite the same, asking again may be okay if you mention your previous question and provide further clarification such as explaining why the previous answers were not sufficient (or if they were but want more answers explaining this). This will benefit you in several ways. For example, unless people understand why the previous answers were not sufficient they are likely to make the same mistakes. And many people are liable to ignore you (possibly even in unrelated questions) if you keep asking the same thing with no sign you've read the previous answers or any feedback on why your asking again. Bear in mind we are not magic workers and as I said earlier there is only a limit number of us. In other words, if you keep asking again and again and are not getting the answer you want it's a good sign you're not going to here. In some cases, a specialist forum or other such place may be a better choice.

Nil Einne (talk) 23:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are you listening to what is being said above? What Nil Einne is saying is basically what I've been trying to tell you myself; I want you to read what he said very carefully and tell me, in your own words, how you will act on it. You can respond either here or on my talkpage, it doesn't matter to me. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I only only post once in the reference desk

Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from my talk page Nil Einne (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if you're referring to posting the same question to different desks within hours, or posting the same or very similar questions every few weeks.

For the first case, as I said above, you posted [6] and [7] which are substanially the same question, to different desks. For the second case, prior to this you posted the very similar [8] and [9].

You have also posted the same or very similar question to different desks within hours plenty of other times e.g. [10] + [11]; [12] + [13]

You have also asked a similar question again after a few days or weeks other times e.g. [14] + [15] (the first question); [16] & [17] (same time) + [18] (second question)

I don't intend this to be exhaustive. For the first case I don't see how you can be unaware that you are posting the same question to different desks within minutes or hours so I AGF you were simply unaware this is unwelcome. For the second case, I guess it's possible you are forgetting you already asked the same or a very similar question a few weeks ago. In that case, I suggest you either record what you've asked or do a search before asking.

Nil Einne (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

things will be different in the future

I will only post at place in the reference desk Unsigned comment copied from my talk page Nil Einne (talk) 08:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks Nil Einne (talk) 08:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All right, sounds good. Now, for advice on improving the Dale Campbell article, pop over to Talk:Dale Campbell and I'll give you a starters' course. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:People from Sherman Oaks, California

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Fix Reference

Someone else has already removed your edits. I suggest discussing this with them. Dismas|^(talk) 03:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And now I see that you've asked for the same thing on the Help Desk. I've asked you this before and I guess I have to ask again... Would you please not cross-post the same questions on my talk page that you put on the Help Desk. Dismas|^(talk) 03:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Patterns

You're backsliding again; this rapid-fire creation of categories is largely what set off the ANI thread about you in the first place, and I though we had agreed you would run new category ideas by me. I apologize for not being the most communicative mentor (see the thread on my talkpage for why), but you have to help yourself too. You need to slow down and take your time; one well thought-out category or article is far more helpful than five new ones that need cleanup/a CfD; you're skating on rather thin ice.

Also, Captain Screebo made a comment on my talkpage I think you'd do well to heed. You'll be much better off writing about topics that can be more easily sourced. I've created exactly one article to date, Noh Poe; take a look at the first revision and the current one. It's got sources, the essential information, and it tells the reader something about it. The article on Ballo Wharf, by contrast, basically shows that the village exists and not much else, because there aren't many sources. I want you to take a break from creating new articles for now. Instead, I want you to work on some existing articles; I want to see that you can find and incorporate sources into articles. To start, I have a userspace draft located here; it's not quite finished, but it's a good start, and I hope I can move it into articlespace fairly soon. Within the next day or so, you need to find at least one source online and add it in somewhere. You seem like you know how to do a Google search; I think you can figure out how to find a source for it. Let me know when you've done that. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not forget how the user just returned to adding copyright violations as well, something which the user was blocked for in December last year, and promised not to do again. That issue needs to be emphasized and dealt with. Nymf _hideliho! 18:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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