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The Rainbow Party sinks to reductio ad Hitlerum

Have you seen this official statement from the Rainbow Party? Apparently, KKE criticised this event and Rainbow is calling them "national socialists". I guess that's the easiest way to "refute" an argument, don't refute it and call those advancing it "Nazis". --Dexippus (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

These ultranationalists at Rainblow Pratty have no shame. Although it must be admited that these guys know alot about Nazism, most of their fathers have probably even kept their old SS uniforms. BTW do you think these pics could be used in any of the articles? They certainly put their nazi obsession in context, particularly the flag adds, Kostaki as gauleiter etc.Xenovatis (talk) 17:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
SlavomacedonianNazi1 .jpg
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I wouldn't call them "ultranationalists". In fact most of its support (and even some of its leading members) comes from disgruntled and bitter former-OAKKE members who don't even come from Macedonia but have a grudge against the world at large and evil capitalist Greece in particular (read this site to get the types).--Dexippus (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You are right, I was reffering to the Slavic contigent of the Pratty, who are ultranationalists as opposed to the Greek contigent who are ultra-antinationalists. The only thing that binds them together is their common antihellenism. BTW I am familiar with this site and while I was not impressed by their articles denying the Armenian and Greek genocides the rest is pretty forgetable. They espouse a post-modernist approach but their work is marred by poor scholarship and amateurism. A better post-modernist treatment is provided by Sofos et al. in Tormented by History although they too deny both genocides.Xenovatis (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Despite their name (the Anti-Nationalist Movement), their only ideology is anti-Hellenism and not anti-nationalism. In order to promote that ideology they'll inconsistently adopt bits and pieces from many ideologies. On one text you'll see them saying that nations don't really exist but are creations of intellectuals (a common anti-nationalist argument, which I respect) but in the next text they claim that the main (natural) nations of the Balkans are Albanians, "Macedonians" (note: they never mention Bulgarians), Turks and Vlachs and that the Greeks were artificially created by intellectuals from a mix of those groups. Then they'll go on to affirm all Macedonist nationalist claims, even to the point of absurdity. For example, they use the Carnegie report to prove that Greeks committed atrocities against "Macedonians" during the Balkan Wars; the problem is that report speaks of Bulgarians and not "Macedonians". Then you'll see them claiming that they support Kosovo's independence because "Greek nationalists oppose it" etc. Greek nationalists and anti-Greek nationalists are just two sides of the same freaky extremist coin and can't survive without each other.

They remind me of the Greek anarchist movement (except in a slightly more intellectual form), you know, the types who desecrate war hero memorials (including of those who fought against the Nazis) and burn Greek flags in their demonstrations. All these groups are connected and interconnected, but they all crave the same thing: attention. In order to achieve this, they'll do their provocative actions claiming an ideology they don't really believe in justifies it. How many of those hood-wearing anarchists who attack policemen for no reason even understand the basic principles of any of the anarchist ideologies?

BTW did you hear about the kook who was candidate for president of Thessaloniki's Law Society. Apparently he doesn't self-identify as "Greek", but as a "European Hellenophone leftist lawyer"! The world is a funny place...--Dexippus (talk) 19:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Tsk, tsk, tsk. What a nationalist fascist! Calling his language Greek. It should have been "European Rhomaiophone leftist lawyer". What a racist!Xenovatis (talk) 08:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous Albanians:Alexander the Great

Dear Niko, I see many people asking for a reference about alexander's greek identity. I think only the title : Lives of notable Greeks and Romans ... Alexander vS Caesar, should be enough, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You are assuming that the average Slav/Albanian/etc POV-pushing nationalist idiot that insists he wasn't Greek is either interested in the truth or aware of Plutarch, let alone his Parallel Lives. They will probably label him as just another Greek historian with an agenda!Xenovatis (talk) 08:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

hi you seem like a decent user

hi niko i was wonderin if you could ask Xenovatis why it is innapropriate to have official census figures on the Greeks page. rather figures from the greek ministry

RE; our convo

Actually if you translate the data from the french government it states,

Greek Community in France:15 000 (9th rank in the World), now the is source on many wiki pages in terms of the ethnic groups. Just beacuase you do not like the number does not mean it is wrong.

The Number of Greeks in italy is not 30,000 but rather 6831 as is stated in the official government figures.

Another reversion! the swedish census counted 10,749 but once again you have inflated the figures to 14,000 for the foreign ministry figures!

How can there be 15,000 greeks in serbia, when the lowest recorded ethnic group was at 2210????

Serbia : Sweden: France : Italy  :

Why is it that the official figures are not accepted??/

although the official figures are higher you cannnot just leave estimates when official census' are released thanx,PMK1 (talk) 12:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting sources and referenced statements is vandalism. If you want to include the data you first have to understand it. The censi reference people from Greece not Greeks in general. The MFA refers to Greeks in general so the figure is obviously larger. If you check the numbers for Canada for example only 60% of ethnic Greeks there hail from Greece About 90,000 also declare another identity so come mainly from the Diaspora and some from Cyprus.Xenovatis (talk) 13:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I see this discussion has progressed where it started in Talk:Greeks. Just try to not to "jump the gun" so fast every time. And nobody call me again "decent" please! :-P NikoSilver 21:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Cooler heads have prevailed. PM feel free to make the changes, or better yet I will make them myself.Xenovatis (talk) 21:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
gud, thats all sorted out. PMK1 (talk) 12:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi, point taken. Was attempting to give his comments a little sense of humour, given that he didn't seem to have much, and seemed like an angry person in general. Sokolcius (talk) 17:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Niko, Cheers!

I noticed on the latest revision of the article, that some very important information has been editied out, which I would like to see restored -- in the section on "Historical Concerns", some key information by the very well-known scholar and expert Eugene N. Borza has been eliminated. I have a degree in Classicial Civilization, and believe me everyone has heard of Eugene Borza. I have also read the justifications made by the person who is supposedly an expert mediator, who says he pisses on block quotes for all his various smug reasons. The trouble with so-called diplomats like that, is that when they are faced with some facts that clarify the troubling issues, like Borza's research into this issue, it disturbs them, 100% of the time, because one side comes out the loser, so they prefer and are very bothered to keep things always even-steven, at all costs and perpetuate 'diplomacy', that way they can be seen as succesful diplomats. I laugh. I feel sorry for fools who are the victims of the "tyranny of fashion," like this so-called shining award winning expert is. I wont even get started...not worth it. Please dont get me wrong: clear, unbiased, cold-hard facts, is what we are all after, and academic professionalism and courtesy of course as well. And yes, a well flowing article with a minimum of such long quotes. Nothing more , or less. But Borza's inforation is criticval to that section, and it takes someone of his calibre to speak with such authority. That's what Eugene Borza offers. The information in this quote is *of the essence* for the section on Greece's Historical Concerns. Eliminating it has consdierably weakened, AND I would say biased the article. Borza hasnt even been summarized, or footnoted !!!!!!! Just GONE. Ya know what I mean, WTF??  :) I wrote to you as you have worked on this much, and frankly I do not recall who edited the quote out. But I challenege anyone to 1) dispute Borza's professional academic veracity, 2) prove the subject he speaks about is not central to the section on Historical concerns, which it is. Sorry for going on so long, I am not usually on wikipedia, but wanted to give you some feedback on this one point. hoping you can restore this information below. Respectfully, Chris. (talk) 22:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Eugene N. Borza, a professor of ancient history regarded an expert on the history of ancient Macedon stated:

Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émi-grés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [...] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one. They reside in a territory once part of a famous ancient kingdom, which has borne the Macedonian name as a region ever since and was called ”Macedonia” for nearly half a century as part of Yugoslavia. And they speak a language now recognized by most linguists outside Bulgaria, Serbia, and Greece as a south Slavic language separate from Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, and Bulgarian. Their own so-called Macedonian ethnicity had evolved for more than a century, and thus it seemed natural and appropriate for them to call the new nation “Macedonia” and to attempt to provide some cultural references to bolster ethnic survival.[156]

AfD nomination of List of countries by coast/area ratio

I have nominated List of countries by coast/area ratio, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of countries by coast/area ratio. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice?Bkell (talk) 00:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Χριστός ανέστη

Happy Easter Niko, hope you are enjoying a great time with the family. (Wish I could be in Greece these days too... :-) Fut.Perf. 23:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

 Χριστός Ανέστη και Χρόνια Πολλά για σένα και την οικογένεια σου φίλτατε Νικόλαε. Χερετισμούς Άκης. --Asteraki (talk) 09:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello, marry easter for my dear greek orthodox friend. PelasgicMoon (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Τα φώτα σου

Dear Nikos I have a problem with the numbering of footbotes in the Elgin Marbles article. See section "Criticism by Elgin's contemporaries". Could you help out?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Άκυρο, sory I just figured it out...--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


KILIKIS,so if you are administrator it is shame for you not to see that there is a Macedonian minority in Northern Greece!! The name was is and will be,(wehen real democarcy comes in Hellas),KUKUŠ,and the name is not Bulagarian,it is SLAVO MACEDONIAN! If you are so big suporter of truth you shoud know that Bulgarians are turkomongolic tribe who speaks in broken SlavoMacedonian language!!!See CIA factbook! So i will lett you to fix the problem,it is Kukuš in Macedonian,for you Greek's In Slavo Macedonian!! Makedonij 15:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Elgin Marbles

I added some perspective to the Legality section but I am afraid that it may need some summarizing. Any comments or suggestions would be welcome--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 14:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have time

Can you have a look at the following discussion about the article History of democracy, any comment is much appreciated!

discussion topics:

Thank you in advance! A.Cython (talk) 11:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for translating my user name! Runningfridgesrule (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


I have been working on the Elgin Marbles article for several days now and I am proposing that it be renamed. Unfortunately I have not managed to attract any responses yet and I would be interested to hear what you have to say about my proposal. I am planning to notify other contributors as well in the hope to start a discussion--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello. I would like to request your comment regarding the following discussion: Talk:Macedon#Macedon.27s_Territory
My objection to the current form of describing the territory ("centered in the northern-most part of ancient Greece") arises mainly from it's lack of objectiveness and from the implied relationship between Ancient Greece and Ancient Macedonia. I understand that these are debated subjects and believe that the suggestions that I am trying to place forward will bring impartiality and clarity. During the discussion became obvious to me that the materials used by the article (specifically, the maps in French) are not appropriate (I state the reasons in the linked discussion section). This is related to the point in debate and your opinion on the matter would be welcome.
I bring your attention to the fact that the case and supporting materials presented are related to Talk:Macedonia_(terminology)#Ancient_Macedonia_Map and I think they could help to buttress the conclusions that, collectively, will be reached in that discussion. Thank you, Ilidio.martins (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Argead dynasty

Please look what is going on in the article Argead dynasty.. User:3rdAlcove started his POV edits in another Macedon-related article. - Sthenel (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


We are the promoters of the Wikipedia in Ancient Greek. we need your help, specially for write NEW ARTICLES and the TRANSLATION OF THE MEDIAWIKI INTERFACE FOR ANCIENT GREEK, for demonstrating, to the language subcommittee, the value of our project.

Thanks a lot for your help. Ἡ Οὐικιπαιδεία needs you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


Ευχαριστώ για τις διευκρινίσεις! Είμαι σχετικά νέα στη βικιπαίδεια και τα λάθη είναι αναπόφευκτα:) Εννοείται ότι δεν θα άλλαζα ολόκληρο το άρθρο του Σολωμού (θα ήταν ιεροσυλία!), απλά με διευκόλυνε η ύπαρξη των δύο εκδόσεων σε ένα userpage. Καλές συνεισφορές! Pel thal (talk) 21:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Missed opportunity

Damnit Niko, you had the *perfect* opportunity to say "All your Macedonia are belong to us." [1] Oh well, next time, eh? -- ChrisO (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, sadly, I just want mine to be left in peace dammit! (an unambiguous peace, ideally...) NikoSilver 21:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

E team

Hey, Niko. The article on Epsilon Team is written in quite a non-encyclopedic manner. Basically, since I'm only an amateur Epsilonist (of the Liakopoulian school of thought, mostly), I wouldn't want to remove everything that looks like OR/SYN to me (basically, almost, well everything). Could you take a look at it? 3rdAlcove (talk)

I cannot guarantee that I will be impartial in this. :-) NikoSilver 14:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

How about some propaganda

Since you're an expert on Macedonia-related articles and a real aesthete regarding this new culture of ours, I know you'll love this (the quoted part in particular). This is the infamous speech of the Patriarch of the unrecognised Macedonian Orthodox Church Stephan in the Vatican. It says in Macedonian: Свети Кириле, денес во твојот и наш Солун е камен на камен од твоето дело Денес во твојо роде град се е пепел и прав и нема слобода ни за книга, ни за буква ни за слово од јазикот твој и наш Во крајот во кој сите тогаш говореа како тебе и како ние денес, во ова наше време, забрането е не само говорењето и молењето на тој јазик, туку и на постоењето Денес, за жал, таму однесувањет е полошо од она на тријазичниците во тоа време Светителе, денес се е урнато од на што би потсетило и на тебе и на нас, и во Солун и во Кукуш, и во Лерин и во Костур Таму не само живите, туку и покојните немаат мир. Do you need a translation or you know what it is about...basically an encyclopaedia is being turned into a propaganda tool, I think. You? --Laveol T 18:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I adore those. They prove I'm not crazy bitching about their name. They prove they use the name to steal an identity, a history and -worse- a contemporary piece of land. The more of them quote it, the more of them say it, the less crazy I look, bothering with simple semantics... NikoSilver 17:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Yup, if they hadn't been doing this al that time, I wouldn't be worried as well for our piece of land and our history (I'd love to have a link to a single name, but I couldn't simply fit in it the tons of people turning in their graves listening to what they are supposed to be). And to think both their political and religious leader (unrecognised) do it ... it's so amazing. --Laveol T 17:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
You can be just amazed of our country, of Macedonia's beauty, culture, nature and what is most important Macedonia's history. Your talking about Macedonia gives clues that Macedonia worth something and is more important then some countries on east and on south. Regards from Macedonia. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Such a non academic and non civilized opinion by both of you and especially by that guy in green.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd love to answer this, Niko, but I don't want to turn your page into something you don't like. I'll just give it good laugh and go to bed :) --Laveol T 23:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Nothing is beautiful, or cultural, or amazing, or historic in the contemporary self-proclaimed Republic of Macedonia (and former Vardarska, or Dardania in ancient times) than except a "borrowed" name. Yep, you got the right to have it, but everybody mocks you for trying to appropriate everything that goes with it. It's so pathetic... NikoSilver 13:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Κάνε υπομονή 3rdAlcove, κάνε υπομονή. Εθνικιστή δε θα σε καταντήσουν. Κάνε υπομονή. Καλά δε τα λέω, μπρε Νίκο;  ;) 3rdAlcove (talk) 22:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Patience, yup, that's the answer :) --Laveol T 23:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Όχι, δεν τα λες καλά μπρε 3rdAlcove... Και εθνικιστής θα γίνεις διότι δεν θα αντέξεις, και η υπομονή είναι που μας έφερε στα σημερινά σκατά. NikoSilver 13:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Τι με λες, ρε Νίκο μου. Δε φταίνε οι ακρότητες και αδιαλλαξίες, και από τις δύο πλευρές, στο όλο θέμα (τα "σημερινά σκατά"); Ας κάναμε και οι δύο παραχωρήσεις... Ο ΜακεδόνιανΒόιδι είναι προιόν ΚΑΙ δικό μας. Τέσπα, οψόμεθα.
Η υπομονή είναι το κλειδί, ναι. Και ο χρόνος θα δείξει που είναι και δικαίωμα που δεν είναι. Και δεν θέλω να σχολιάσω ότι ηλίθιο σχόλιο του Laveol. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 08:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Μάθε ελληνικά ή βρές καλύτερο μεταφραστή. Σε κάθε περίπτωση μην λες οποιονδήποτε "ηλίθιο" γιατί μαύρο μπλοκ που θα σε φάει. Ο βλάκας ο ψευδο-μητροπολίτης σας σας κάνει μεγάλη ζημιά, και δεν χρειάζεται να είσαι ιδιοφυία για να το καταλάβεις (πολλώ μάλλον για να μην το αναπαράγεις). NikoSilver 13:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Η υπομονή είναι κλειδί αλλά το σχόλιο για εθνικισμούς το έκανες γαργάρα, MacedonianBoy... 3rdAlcove (talk) 15:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Καλύτερη μη αναγνωρίσιμη τότε που εμπλέκονται σε ποινικά. Εγώ δεν σε κάθε περίπτωση να μαθαίνουν ελληνικά και δεν ξέρω. Έχω αυτό το ανόητο γλώσσα και ειδικά αυτές τις επιστολές. Θα μάθετε Ζουλού αντί σας άσχημη γλώσσα. Θα πρέπει να αρχίζουν να μαθαίνουν Μακεδονικό. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This can be considered a personal attack you know :)) I'll have to ask Niko if this is proper Greek, but I doubt Babelfish can do it :) --Laveol T 15:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
As proper as his general comments ;). 3rdAlcove (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


The text below is a copy from el:Φασματοσκοπία. NikoSilver 13:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Μερικές εξ αυτών είναι λεπτότατες και άλλες εντονότερες ενώ η όψη και η διάταξη αυτών είναι ανεξάρτητες της ύλης και της διαθλαστικής γωνίας του πρίσματος. BalkanFever 13:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


What does "Alvanoktonos" mean? See this. Cheers, BalkanFever 11:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I translated it, and Fut.Perf. was apparently as fast as always (in stalking my page lol). NikoSilver 12:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks (both of you). :) BalkanFever 12:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
If you can also tell me what the correct notification block template is... Evil Stalker at Noontime 12:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


Εντάξει, το ενεργοποίησα. Ναι, το καταλαβαίνω ότι λειτουργεί έτσι...απλά, από συνήθεια το έχω off. Στείλε τι θες. 3rdAlcove (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ευφυής ο κολπίσκος, btw. ;) 3rdAlcove (talk) 09:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


AfD for List of countries by length of coastline

I know you didn't create this one, but the AfD itself relies on impeaching the CIA factbook as a reliable source for coastline determination. Since you created the coastline/area ratio list and defended that list well, I figured you might want to know about this AfD. Protonk (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

"inflammatory garbage"


On what grounds do you claim this edit was "inflammatory garbage". I demand you explain yourself. I believe I was being rather sincere, addressing an issue which was unsaid. (yes, I posted your "inflammatory garbage")

While looking in the history of the talk page to see who had eliminated my comment, I saw that I had been only the second person to bring up the point that the article was erroneously titled. The first, by a day, was IP (whose comment was rather harsh). His edit was eliminated by a certain BalkanFever. BalkanFever's reasoning for the elimination was "bye bye" ([[2]]). That is "inflammatory".

-- (talk) 01:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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Me & Mac

Wow, that's probably the most intelligent, reasonable and common sense view on everything Macedonian that I have seen from a Greek :) Congratz! I agree that any people in the area should be allowed to use the term Macedonia. However I disagree with your projected name 'New Macedonia' for the Republic and the timeline. I am skeptical that the compromise will be reached soon, and if it was then it will be something like 'Northern Macedonia' or '(something in parenthesis) Republic of Macedonia (something in parenthesis)'. Capricornis (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Capricornis! The Greek response to a parenthesized compromise is hidden in the last line and is in the form of a question:
"So, I'm asking: Why does nobody else wish to disambiguate? Am I such a jerk or should it not be that hard?"
That question is not addressed only to Greeks. So ask yourself too.
Other than that, I agree the "shortly" is wishful thinking. Regarding "New"/"Northern" or whichever qualifier, I wouldn't particularly mind, but I like the "New" one personally. I like it because (a) it signifies "change" which is something you need to highlight the splitting from Yugoslavia, (b) "Northern" may still imply that "Southern" or "Eastern" are "occupied" (c) "New" has hardly been abused internationally for awkward cases (the examples that come to mind are like New York, New Caledonia, New Zealand, New Mexico etc), while "North" has a history of bloodied segmented territories/regions/countries (see "North Korea", "Northern Cyprus", "Northern Iraq", "Northern Ireland", "North Vietnam", "Northern Epirus"... etc) NikoSilver 09:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Нова Македонија, like the newspaper, and let's be done with this. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Well whaddya know? Nova Makedonija is actually free. Maybe it's a sign... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Kekrops, I like your sarcasm :) Btw, Niko, I am all for disambiguation, so count on me if you need help with that. I do agree that most geographical references will imply that there are other Macedonias, but that does not necessarily mean expansionist polices (except for the few, but very loud, ultra-nationalists). I was thinking more in the terms of precedents. There are much fewer countries currently called 'New', than there are 'Northern' 'Southern' etc. so it seemed to me more politically realistic that he latter would be one of the choices. Capricornis (talk) 18:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


Το είπε ο Θαλής ο Μιλήσιος και όχι ο Σωκράτης. --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 08:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Μπα; Σίγουρος είσαι; Μπορείς να μου το βρεις σε παρακαλώ; NikoSilver 08:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Ο Σόλων ο Αθηναίος το είπε [3], [4]:) --Hectorian (talk) 11:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Είχα βρει τον Θαλή σε μια πηγή αλλά μάλλον έχει δίκιο ο Έκτορας. --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 09:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


Hey, Niko, how are you? I wonder if you're aware that Yannismarou (talk · contribs) semi-retired after an unfortunate incident? I'm unsure if you are close with him, but an encouraging word may help. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you Sandy! I'll see what I can do, but I seriously doubt he'll be back without some kind of moral compensation. NikoSilver 19:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Having observed the actions of some of the involved parties for a while now, I don't hold out much hope that will ever happen. Also, even talking about what happened is likely to get one blocked, so I'm afraid we're at a dead end in terms of being able to ask for even a re-examination of the facts. Losing Yanni is just terrible. In case you are in touch with him, please send him my best regards and well wishes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I'll certainly do, Sandy. I'd like some explanation over why on earth anyone could get blocked for ...talking! Is this still Wikipedia? NikoSilver 20:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it's still Wikipedia. And people still get blocked based on ANI feeding frenzies. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
And I am still a human being. So is Yanni. Sheesh! I hope they don't accuse me for blaming the Inner Party or anything... NikoSilver 20:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The human factor is sadly forgotten a lot. So is the fact that we're here to write articles, and Yannis did that. Well, anyway, I wasn't even sure if you two knew each other, and took a guess. Please do pass on my regards. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


Niko, would you mind getting rid of this subpage of yours? It's really just an attack page now, and if you aren't using it for anything constructive, there's precedent for deleting these kinds of grudge pages. Thanks, Fut.Perf. 21:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Gah, sure will. Having not edited it for ages I forgot it exists. NikoSilver 21:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"inflammatory garbage"


On what grounds do you claim this edit was "inflammatory garbage". I demand you explain yourself. I believe I was being rather sincere, addressing an issue which was unsaid. (yes, I posted your "inflammatory garbage")

While looking in the history of the talk page to see who had eliminated my comment, I saw that I had been only the second person to bring up the point that the article was erroneously titled. The first, by a day, was IP (whose comment was rather harsh). His edit was eliminated by a certain BalkanFever. BalkanFever's reasoning for the elimination was "bye bye" ([[5]]). That is "inflammatory".

-- (talk) 01:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

I did not reply partly because I don't edit WP so much lately, and partly because you clearly liked talking more than you liked reading. If you had bothered to check the very same talkpage you were posting your comment to at that time, you would have seen there was already a discussion about changing the name of the article to something that actually had a chance of passing through to the rest editors involved. Your proposal hadn't a snowball's chance in hell, and although as a fellow Greek I'd very much like it to be that way, I'm afraid it simply isn't. NikoSilver 17:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


I know that many fellow Greeks (and others) read my talkpage occasionally, so I'm posting this here: For those interested in "traditional" Greek bouzoukia fun, see the hilarious video. :-) lol NikoSilver 17:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha! In such occassions I wouldn't mind to throw a folk along with the flowers...:p --Hectorian (talk) 23:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Macedon (disambiguation)

Uhm, why did you remove the "see also" link from Macedonia to Macedon (disambiguation)? That's actually not circular, because I did factor it out the other day. (I feel like a revert-warring monster these days, just look how often I've reverted that page recently. Μήπως το θεωρώ δικό μου? Μπα, τέτοιο πράγμα...) Fut.Perf. 16:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:POPUP glitch. The link to "history" showed me Mr.Neutron's, ProveIt's and Flauto Dolce's edits as last 3 edits, and I didn't check the dates. Sorry, will revert back if needed. BTW you only reverted once you pathetic excuse of a revert warrior you! Ask Moreschi to teach you how to get a block these days (although you might not get an answer...). NikoSilver 18:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

This is relevant to your interests...

heard anything about this: [6] (and related news coverage)? Fut.Perf. 12:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Eh, yes, typically the fish numbers grow where they are least hunted... Gah, I wish I had the chance to go fishing there! NikoSilver 15:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I actually (also) meant asking whether you had heard of it as a political issue being reported in the recent news, like renewed military tensions etc. There are reports in the Turkish press about navy guard ships warning off fishermen and so on. All news coverage in Greece still focused on the riots? Fut.Perf. 15:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, we're still so busy fighting with each other that nobody gives a fuck what the Turks are doing to our fish! But I heard of such incidents before the ...civil war:
  • Jan '08
  • I heard of it a couple of times a couple of months ago, but I can't find something on it...
  • and last but not least, it's these darn "tratas" that are to blame for the lack of fish...
 :-) NikoSilver 17:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Athens, to boubouki tis xronias...

Who is going to start an article on the current events. I'll have my gas mask ready, as soon as the police finds new tear gas on the world market.Politis (talk)

Why, what's happening? Anything beyond the skope of the 2008 Greek riots article? You have me worried now. Fut.Perf. 17:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas from Promethean

O'Hai there NikoSilver, Merry Christmas!

I wish you and your family all the best this Christmas and that you also have a Happy and safe new year.
Thankyou for all your contributions to Wikipedia this year and I look forward to seeing many more from you in the future.
Your work around Wikipedia has not gone un-noticed, this notice is testimony to that
Please feel free to drop by my talkpage any time to say Hi, as I will probably say Hi back :)

All the Best.   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk)

Share and share alike

This explains a lot.--Xenovatis (talk) 18:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

WP "Privacy"? Seeking Guidance Again

Hi Niko. I am back. My last issue you looked at hasnt been resolved yet- but others occasionally try. Perhaps we'll discuss it again; there's clear injustice happening. But 2day I've another one.

20 years ago I lived in a large University Co-op (sorta like othe "Greek" fraternities!). This co-op is kinda famous- a major counter-culture bastion in Berkeley California- and we can be a contentious bunch. Now we have a WP page Barrington Hall that attracts more than its share of hassles.

This weekend one former member, an on-&-off friend of mine named "J.Rane" [& claiming no affiliation to WP- ie., trying to claim he is not an editor] wrote on Talk:Barrington Hall requesting that the page Barrington Hall be removed, but giving very little reason.

THEN this "J.Rane" sent an email to ME (and others) detailing exactly how he, I and other editors could benefit if the WP page Barrington Hall were to be removed- and he thus be given control of the information ... Obviously this is mercenary or worse.

I posted most of "J.Rane's" email here to the same Talk:Barrington Hall page he'd used earlier (and without giving genuine reasons) to propose the end of the Barrington Hall page. Alongside "J.Rane's" email I included my strongly unfavorable comments, comparing these of his two sets of writings for consistency, & pointing out how the author is apparently disingenuous, how he (apparently feels he) stands to gain artistically and financially if by some remote infinity the WP page were to be removed, etc.

So now another editor, User:Astanhope, who also has personal ties to "J.Rane", has deleted much of what I wrote, claiming the email which I received and included was "private" and "irrelevant"- at Talk: Barrington Hall# but 1st

I maintain these claims of "privacy" and "irrelevance" are absurd. I maintain dangerous facts deserve to be known from their author's own words. I explain my reasoning and my objections to this censorship here in the same place where my earlier writing was removed- But-

What I originally wrote- and "J.Ranes"s now-verboten email- are now archived as User talk:Hilarleo # but 1st.

  • * *

I resent the unilateral censorship.

I would like to revert what I posted w/o a revert war scene developing.

Having an outside opinion could be appropriate.

I appeal to you.

I'd appreciate any analysis or opinion of editor User:Astanhope's claims of breach of some obscure "privacy" protocol-

Particularly as I have not revealed any personal detail (not even a full name- "J.Rane" did that himself), I have not slandered and I've engaged in no personal attacks.

If after review you can support my proposed reversion as not violating any WP etiquette, could you please note this on Talk: Barrington Hall #but 1st

Thank you Niko. I'll try to keep in touch. Hilarleo 11:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't edit WP that much lately, as I have no time. I can't even start understanding the topic in order to see if I can help you. Best of luck. NikoSilver 12:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm back

Hi. --KP Botany (talk) 21:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

So I noted. Facts seldom cause me to hesitate for more than a moment. --KP Botany (talk) 03:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, well

vre, vre, vre, san ta xiona... and there has really been load of xionia (snow guys).Politis (talk) 17:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


Na se rwthsw mia erwthsh giati den asxoloumai poly kairo me th wikipedia. Eida oti hsoun involved prin apo xronia se kapoio proposal 'H poll gia na ginei move to article apo Macedonia se FYROM... ti eixe ginei tote? --Radjenef (talk) 19:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Nai. H istoria omws einai palaioterh apo emena. Poly prin er8w, to ar8ro legotan fyrom. Meta thn anagnwrish ths Amerikhs, kai afou h wikipedia apofasise oti 8a xrhsimopoiei thn pio syxnh onomasia pou emfanizetai se Agglikes phges (WP:UE), kapoioi to metonomasan se RoM (pou einai kai twra). Meta kapoios skopianos prospa8hse na afairesei apo to intro (tis prwtes paragrafous dld.) akoma kai thn anafora tou OHE gia fyrom, kai ayto egine peripou otan prwtoeggrafhka egw. Prwtostathsa sthn pshfoforia na parameinei h anafora sthn prwth paragrafo (me epityxia), kai malista piesa kai gia metonomasia tou ar8rou (xwris omws apotelesma). Eixa kataferei na katarripsw to epixeirhma oti to RoM htan syxnotero tou fyrom stis Agglikes phges, alla h dikaiologia pou xrhsimopoih8hke tote htan oti h wikipedia prepei na epilegei tous aytoprosdiorismous (self-identifying-names) se periptwsh amfibolias gia thn syxnoterh Agglikh onomasia (htan ontws amfibolo). Pleon, oi pshfofories, para to oti die3agontai, DEN einai krisimes gia thn opoia apofash ths WP, alla ayto pou exei shmasia einai h symbatothta ton opoiwn pshfwn me tis politikes ths WP. Des WP:NCON, WP:UE, to archive ths pshfoforias, th 8esh mou gia metonomasia tou ar8rou, kai ta sxolia ep ayths. NikoSilver 21:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks gia thn anaskophsh :) 8a to psajw! Teleutaia fora pou eixa koitajei to WP:NCON, eixa katalhjei sto oti o pio logikos kanonas gia thn periptwsh auth einai:
"If the name of an inanimate or non-human entity is disputed by two jurisdictions and one or more English-language equivalents exists, use the most common English-language name."
Alla ama einai ambiguous to ti einai common kai ti oxi yparxei problhma. 8a to skeftw... Thanks kai pali! --Radjenef (talk) 00:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Nai, to guideline ayto exei alla3ei arketes fores apo tote, alla to periexomeno einai panta sxetiko. Koita, h gnwmh mou proswpika einai oti prepei na afierwseis kalytera thn energeia sou sto na kaneis na fainetai syxnoterh h opoia onomasia epi8ymeis se alles phges, ki oxi edw. H WP prospa8ei na "antikatoptrizei" ton e3w (agglofwno) kosmo. Ki oso o e3w agglofwnos kosmos tous leei sketo M apo edw ki apo ekei, opws katalabaineis oloi sthn WP prospa8oun na "aplousteysoun" th zwh tous legontas thn sketo M ki edw. Adiaforoun bebaia gia to an ayto einai swsto, h' an einai istoriko, h' an einai h8iko, h' an einai 8emito, h' an e3yphretei alytrwtikes blepseis klp, dioti afhnoun ayth thn apofash na thn paroun oloi oi alloi pou to xrhsimopoioun ka8hmerina (kai edw kanoun apla ton "ka8refth"). Krima pou ayth h egkyklopaideia den exei arxes, alla fobamai oti apla prospa8oun na kanoun th zwh tous eykoloterh me to na mhn asxolountai ma poios exei "dikio" kai giati. Pistevw h kainouria hgesia twn HPA na kanei kati kalytero pros ayth thn katey8ynsh, alla fobamai oti to megalytero meros tou paixnidiou exei hdh xa8ei mesa apo ta xeria mas (otan eixame th dynatothta na dex8oume to apisteyta kalo "Slabomakedonia" ki ant' aytou apofasisame "oxi Makedonia ston titlo")... Ante na anastrepseis twra mia poreia 10-15 etwn pou oloi tous apokaloun me ton mikrotero, eykolotero kai wraiotero aytoprosdiorismo... NikoSilver 01:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Contemporary press headlines on atrocities affecting the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922)

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I have nominated Contemporary press headlines on atrocities affecting the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Contemporary press headlines on atrocities affecting the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Fut.Perf. 11:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Poso Biolhs?

Ωραίος ο τύπος [7] ε? (και ξέρω ότι ξέρει ελληνικά) (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Name discussion move

I suggest that you look at the first templated notice on Talk:Republic of Macedonia. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you abstain from administrative actions in the dispute because you are evidently an involved party. As for the template, you will notice that I have supported it myself over the years to avoid bickering (because this is its purpose), but this last post is the only coherent one for ages and it is a policy based proposal which shouldn't be buried along with the rest of the bickering shit in that page. It should be advertised and discussed to gain the maximum extent of consensus. NikoSilver 22:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Ela file

thelo ligo βοiθεια ado:

ευχαριστώ πολύ file mou.

Reaper7 (talk) 19:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo etc.

whole discussion merged here...

NikoSilver 22:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


Niko, I reverted your last edit with an edit summary of "near-vandalism", and I mean it. Appealing to "unverifiable" about the naming issue is logically outrageous at the best of times (and no, I am not going to explain to you again why, because you evidently are not interested to understand), but doing so when the very source cited in that entry actually uses "Macedonia" pure and simple is the height of impudence. As for the main article, no, I'm not going to have more talk. We've had all the talk there was to be had on this topic, more than has been good for anybody. All has been said, now it just needs to be seen through. Fut.Perf. 14:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

For the small issue: Hadn't checked the source. I had cited three reasons. The other two were "confusing" and "precedent". lol I acknowledge your kindness to add "near"... NikoSilver 14:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
For the main article: So in essence "you will do what you like because you say so and you don't care what everybody else thinks because you are the ultimate authority". Got it. BTW, I was very much interested to understand, but seeing that your position is me to understand, and you not, well... I'm inclined to follow your example. Last time you had given a very obscure ultra-elaborated wiki-lawyering interpretation on why you thought that articles related to Greece should be treated differently from those dealing with EU, UN, NATO etc. And then you are accusing everybody else that their opinions are not worth replying to. Please calm down, because you are losing it. I'm telling you because I consider you my friend also. You seem like you are obsessed with this. Really. NikoSilver 14:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
You telling me to calm down? Re, you've got some nerves. Says the person who was ranting on about how our wikipedia editorial decisions were putting millions of lives at risk... (As for "obscure ultra-elaborated interpretations", the only ultra-elaborated bit back in that argument was where I was trying to salvage your exception for the other cases. The basic argument against all these is extremely simple and if you can't see that I really cannot help you. It's very basic logic. Fut.Perf. 21:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


Is not dead. BalkanFever 01:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Ugh! Thanks! Correcting! NikoSilver 01:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Well well. Thanks for confirming that you guys are watching Greece day and night (and still not voting). Weird things...--Avg (talk) 01:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
We don't need to vote, because the rest of the world has the brain capacity that you lack. BalkanFever 01:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Touche. I'd argue that if they did then there would be no need for all this. Problem is most people are dumb and take things literally (i.e. Macedonia=Macedonia=Macedonia)... Which means that the smart ones will not care, which means that we are toast because WP editors are smarter than average. NikoSilver 01:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
But nobody thinks Republic of Macedonia = Region of Macedonia. If anything, people might get the idea that Macedonia = Macedonia... BalkanFever 02:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Everybody without knowledge of the specifics in the region makes this equation because of the same name. Actually even people with knowledge also make it, including the country's Prime Minister. You also didn't put the third element of my equation in your reply and we all know about "unhelpful" (says Nimetz) idiocies like this. For the Greek part of Macedonia, I wouldn't care if it were disambiguated, and I actually do use qualifiers for it myself quite frequently. NikoSilver 15:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
To be honest Niko, you've linked to this picture (and the "Senate Resolution") almost as much as user:Crossthets did. After dealing with a (now indef-blocked) nationalist moron like him, I don't feel like discussing anything about Macedonia with Greeks. It's always the same shit. Good day. BalkanFever 07:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
That's ok BF. Have a nice day. I wanted someone else to read this.--Avg (talk) 01:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

hey I found your page randomly

your awesome, and make me feel like i'm at the beach for some odd reason. Hmm... JMS Old Al (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Sea surface temperature is about 13-14 degrees Celsius this time in Greece. That's the coldest throughout the whole year -snow melting and stuff-... So catch some sun, but don't swim! (lol, flattered and thanks. You're awesome too!) NikoSilver 18:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Move of the article Republic of Macedonia to Macedonia by User:ChrisO and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thanks,--Yannismarou (talk) 03:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but...

I have nominated Macedonia (terminology) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Fut.Perf. 14:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, —— nixeagleemail me 03:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Two templates

I fixed the two templates Template:Macedonia historical borders and Template:Macedonia confusing. They seem to be identical. Perhaps one is redundant and can be nominated for deletion? The name "Template:Macedonia confusing" is not a very encyclopedial one, so that could be the one for deletion. See Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_April_26#Template:Macedonia_confusing. Debresser (talk) 22:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Βοήθεια για τη Μακεδονία


Θέλω να βοηθήσω τα άτομα (editors) που ασχολούνται με το θέμα της Μακεδονίας. Με επιστημονικά/ιστορικά στοιχεία και σε συνεργασία με καθηγητές πανεπιστημίων διεθνούς κύρους. Με ποιον να έρθω σε επαφή και με ποιόν τρόπο (πως μπορώ να στείλω κρυφό μήνυμα)?

Μπορείτε να επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μου στο bobptz παπάκι Τζιμαιλ τελεία κομ. Kavathes (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.

  • All editors on Macedonia-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as outside opinions and Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard (WP:ECCN), especially since there are significant problems in reaching consensus.
  • All articles related to Macedonia (defined as any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to Macedonia, Macedonia nationalism, Greece related articles that mention Macedonia, and other articles in which how Macedonia will be referred to is an issue) fall under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned. Editors enforcing a case where a binding Stalemate resolution has been found are exempt from 1RR.
  • The following users have been banned from Wikipedia : Avg (talk · contribs)one year, ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (talk · contribs)one year, and Reaper7 (talk · contribs)six months .
  • The following users have been topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR: Avg (talk · contribs)indefinitely, ΚΕΚΡΩΨ (talk · contribs)indefinitely, Reaper7 (talk · contribs)one year and, SQRT5P1D2 (talk · contribs)one year.
  • The Committee takes note that ChrisO (talk · contribs) has resigned his administrator status while this case was pending, but also notes that he is desysopped as a result of the above case. ChrisO may obtain the tools back via the usual means or by request to the Arbitration Committee.
  • Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is strongly admonished for displaying a long pattern of incivil, rude, offensive, and insulting behavior towards other editors and failure to address the community's concerns in this regard. Because of this Future Perfect at Sunrise is subject to an editing restriction for one year, and is desysopped for three months as a consequence of poor user conduct and misuse of administrative tools. After three months, his administrator access will be automatically restored.
  • Single-purpose accounts are strongly advised to edit in accordance with WP:SPA and other Wikipedia policies. Diversifying one's topics of interest is also encouraged.
  • Abuse filter 119, as currently configured, logs all changes involving the word "Macedonia" but does not block any edits. The community is strongly advised to consider adding a new abuse filter criterion; any instances of changing the word "Macedonia" to "FYROM" (the five-letter acronym, not the full phrase) shall be prevented.
  • Within seven days of the closure of this case, a discussion is to be opened to consider the preferred current and historical names for the four entities known as Macedonia. The discussion will end one month after it is opened.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tiptoety talk 21:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Discuss this

Countries you visited on your home page

New Macedonia? I thought the latest 'solution' that is being imposed is 'Northern Macedonia'? :) Capricornis (talk) 16:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


Ειναι κανεις εδω? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


I have sent you an e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 00:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


You like this? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)