User talk:Richwales/Archives/2011-09

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Cocaine Blues

(including material copied from User talk:Mnealon and User talk:RepublicanJacobite)

Hi. I was confused by this edit at Cocaine Blues (western swing song), which looks like a significant removal of content. Since you appear to have been doing constructive work on this page, I resisted my initial rash impulse to revert this change and decided to ask first. What's going on? Did this deleted material go somewhere else? Was it in fact not worth putting anywhere else? Sorry if I'm simply missing something here. Richwales (talk · contribs) 05:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for not acting rashly. The original article conflated several songs with the same name so I moved the original to Cocaine Blues (western swing song) and in its place I moved the section on other songs with the same name to the new disambiguation page I created at Cocaine Blues.Mnealon (talk) 17:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
What you did was act without consulting your fellow editors or engaging in any discussion. The fact is, all of these different versions are related and should be discussed in one place. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 01:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
I think you may have intended to write this at User talk:Mnealon — he was the person who split up the Cocaine Blues article. I simply asked Mnealon what was going on, after I noticed the major change (as reported by STiki) and was confused. If you meant instead that you felt I had done something wrong here (even though, in fact, I never touched Cocaine Blues), I'd be grateful if you could clarify. Richwales (talk · contribs) 01:43, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion. I was responding to his message on your page, because he had not responded to my message on the article talk page. I was not accusing you of anything, I assure you. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 01:47, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

RfA Reform update

Hi. It's been a little while since the last message on RfA reform, and there's been a fair amount of slow but steady progress. However, there is currently a flurry of activity due to some conversations on Jimbo's talk page.

I think we're very close to putting an idea or two forward before the community and there are at least two newer ones in the pipeline. So if you have a moment:

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Interwiki bot problem (en:Decapitation)

[copied here from the user talk page of JAn Dudík on the Czech Wikipedia]

Hi. Your bot created an interwiki link between the English article en:Decapitation and the Vietnamese article vi:Decapitated. The link was removed by the bot a few minutes after it was created, but I felt I should still let you know about the issue.

The English article is about death by beheading. The Vietnamese article, as far as I can tell, is about a "heavy metal" rock band. These two articles are not related and should (obviously, I believe) not be interwiki-linked, but I've seen this incorrect link show up in the English page at least twice in the past before your bot did it a few hours ago.

Is there anything you need to do so that your bot won't make this mistake again? More generally, is there anything you or anyone else can do to stop this particular interwiki link from showing up by whatever means in the en:Decapitation article?

Thanks for any help. Richwales (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, bot added wrong link, but I noticed it and removed it few minutes later. The bot which initiated this mess was USer:Cheers!-bot. JAn 18:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Are you sure? As best I can tell, en:User:Cheers!-bot has been blocked on the English Wikipedia since February 2011. And the earlier instances of this incorrect link (in August 2011) were done by en:User:KamikazeBot and en:User:AvicBot. Is there anything to be gained if I talk to the people who run those two bots? Or do I really need to talk to someone at the Vietnamese Wikipedia? Richwales (talk) 18:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Both groups have now correct interwiki, so no bot will mix it again in autonomous mode. in this edit Cheersbot added incorrect links to vi: article. JAn 18:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I won't worry about this problem any more, then. Richwales (talk) 19:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Just a note...

  • How are you placed this weekend? In terms of time? Wifione Message 04:32, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll probably have time during the later afternoon and the evening on Saturday, and possibly also during the same time span on Sunday. (US Pacific time). Richwales (talk · contribs) 04:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
That's great. So would you be comfortable to go live on Saturday evening or on Sunday evening? That's because once we transclude, at least for the initial questions, you should have the time to answer patiently... Wifione Message 04:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I have a second person who says he'll co-nom if you co-nom first. :-) If you're ready to put your co-nom statement on the page, let me know and I'll tell the other person (so he can see it and know he'll be the second). As for when I go live, I'd prefer mid-afternoon (my time) on Saturday; or, if we miss that, then mid-afternoon on Sunday. Can I assume this means you've gone over my statement, my initial answers, and the stuff I e-mailed you, and you feel it's all OK? Richwales (talk · contribs) 04:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes, perfectly alright. Great then. Expect an email from me tomorrow morn. Best. Wifione Message 06:42, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Beat the 'crat congrats

Well done Rich, congratulations on a well deserved result. Proves that your dozens of vote-stacked co-nominators were right, and the opposers were wrong. I still just wish the candidates could get through all this without the silly drama. So welcome to the club of most hated Wikipedians :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) Richwales (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

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Good job, I'm surprised nobody beat me to this yet. →Στc. 22:57, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I will display this proudly on my user page. Richwales (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


Looks good - you applied the right template, left a notice, etc.   Will Beback  talk  06:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Did someone order a mop ?

Congratulations on successfully navigating the gauntlet that is RFA. You should see some new buttons now. Happy adminning, –xenotalk 20:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

We finally got it right this time! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Well done Rich! --Mkativerata (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

You finally got the mop and bucket. Now get to work cleaning up this mess! ;)   Will Beback  talk  21:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Your order is in, Congrats. Mlpearc Public (Talk) 21:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Congrats, Rich! You've done a fantastic job addressing the concerns of your first RfA, and you're more than deserving of the overwhelming support you got. :) Best regards, Swarm 00:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

You deserved it! And I'm very pleased the community has agreed. Best wishes always. Remember the ground rule for any admin action - "When in doubt, don't do it!" :) Wifione Message 07:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too. I hope you don't feel too bruised after that process. --Deadly∀ssassin 07:43, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to all of you for your supportive thoughts and comments. Richwales (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Well done and enjoy the mop! Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere! (Whisper...) 09:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Star Dust (aircraft)

(including material copied from User talk:N419BH)

I have begun the GA review of this article. N419BH 20:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I agree that an image or two of the crash site or the debris field would be helpful. The only such images I've ever seen so far are non-free material (from books and TV); and since there is already one fair-use image (the photo of the aircraft), I had hesitated to add more. If you think it's really important, though — and especially if you think a photo of the wreckage is essential to GA quality — let me know and I'll see what I can come up with. Richwales (talk) 21:03, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
The GA criteria call for "images where possible and appropriate" (emphasis mine). I did see the copyrighted images on the PBS site while verifying sources. Short of grabbing a DSLR and a backpack and climbing the darn mountain though I think it'd be pretty hard to find images. Perhaps some exist from the new accident report? I know NTSB images are public domain but I'm not sure regarding images from Chilean/Argentinean government agencies. Might be something to look into. I also would like to see the new report cited if it's available. So far the new investigation is only cited once. N419BH 21:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Let me do a bit of cleanup on the second paragraph of the "STENDEC" section. Richwales (talk) 21:21, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I reworked the paragraph in question, with more cites (and one additional source). I can work on it more if you would like. Let me know. Richwales (talk) 21:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I added another source for the 2000 Argentine air force investigation. This source (The Guardian) is really just an echo of the earlier source (The Birmingham Post, as reported by, but some people might find this new source to be of better quality because the info is from The Guardian's own web site rather than being reported via a third-party site. I've done some searching for the actual Argentine air force report, but so far without success. I'll keep looking. Richwales (talk) 22:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. Per your suggestions, I'll keep looking for additional material that might improve this article. Richwales (talk) 23:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I added a photo of the intact wheel found amidst the Star Dust wreckage. This is a screen shot from a TV show, used under a fair use justification — probably the best that can be done, though it's possible (albeit IMO unlikely) that a free photo could be found at some future date. I'll continue to look for a copy of the 2000 Argentine air force report. Richwales (talk) 17:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)