User talk:Taborah
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July 2019[edit]
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November 2021[edit]
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article, or a draft for a Wikipedia article, about yourself, at Taborah Adams. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. — Jeff G. ツ 12:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
You have an obvious conflict of interest, please don't write about yourself, your friends or relatives and read the guidance below:*When you write about a person, you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that they meet the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the person or an associated organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the person claims or interviewing them. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.
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Your text was almost entirely lacking in in-line references, let alone independent third-party sources, Without verification, there is no way you can meet our notability guidelines. Your text was a unencyclopaeic and informal in tone, using first name instead of surname. The text lacked wikilinks and references, and looked as if it could be a copyright violation, like the images, although I didn't check. The text was full of external links that shouldn't be there, and your actual external links section included social media, not allowed.
You seem to think this is like FaceBook, where you can write what you like. That's wrong, the page would be our page about you, not your page, and must follow our guidelines. There is no way, even if you meet our music guidelines, that you could fix the problems in an hour, and if you post it as an article instead of a draft, you are basically presenting it as a finished work anyway.
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Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- incidentally, you will probably get a quicker response posting on my talk page, rather than email. If i don't reply reasonably promptly, I'm not editing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Well, I thought everything was correct because it's been there for years and no one said anything. I don't have an issue doing the right thing, I have an issue with your power to delete my whole page without giving me any opportunity to make corrections. I am not perfect..I do not intentionally do things wrong. That's not my goal. I own my picture. I have no idea what else must do to prove this. It's becoming a real issue and I followed Wiki guidelines and still it's under question. I appreciate your informing me but will add that MOST artist pages include their family background, names of siblings and such, so why is this an issue. She is really going on here? Taborah (talk) 14:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I meant what is really going on Taborah (talk) 14:39, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- I will always reply here. The Commons message was automatically generated there because your images were, correctly, uploaded there and will be deleted there. I will not reply by email, if you email me I will reply here.
- we cannot verify who you are here, so the only way that we can verify that your images are public domain or otherwise free for anyone to use for any purpose, including commercial is to see if the web page they are taken from says that. It's not enough for you to say you own them, your website has to release them for any purpose.
- Note that I won't necessarily see messages you post here, instead of on my talk page, unless you start them with my user name, User:Jimfbleak, and sign them in the same edit.
- I don't think I made it clear what I meant about writing about your family, what I was saying was that you shouldn't write articles about them because of your COI, it's fine to mention them in this article after you have made it clear what makes you notable enough for an article as defined by Wikipedia above
- There is nothing to stop you trying again, but because of your COI you must write it at Draft:Taborah Adams and wait for an independent reviewer. Everything you write must be supported by an in-line reference to an independent source, must be in your own words (you can't copy stuff from your website because it's not explicitly PD.
- If it's any consolation, most autobiographies I see get the same treatment, for much the same reasons. If you want me to look at any future drafts, let me know. Note that I'm not American, so time differences may mean I don't see your messages for some hours Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I have 3 other men coming at me and making changes. I honestly am feeling singled out. I'm trying to respond to everyone but I'm overwhelmed. Please understand in less than 3 hours, my page was completely deleted, I was told I didn't do something when I did and I have absolutely no control. Thanks for your help but I'm tired of crying. You all win. Taborah (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 19:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)This has become abusive. I have received over 9 emails from over 6 volunteers since this morning. My page has been deleted, my pictures have been questioned. The person who deleted my page came back and apologize because apparently one of the volunteers didn't tag my page correctly, but I'm the one who suffered from this. Let me be very clear now, and at this point I feel I need to put this in writing for legal reasons. I have a mental illness and these hundred emails I'm receiving from 100 different volunteers has become a form of abuse and I am taking it personal. Please stop!!!!!! Taborah (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Also, the account was just restored and you came and blocked and deleted. I don't know what you understand about the ADA Act, but what Wiki volunteers are doing is abusive. Dear Taborah,
The Wikipedia page Taborah Adams has been restored on 28 November 2021 by TheresNoTime, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taborah_Adams for the current revision.
Editor's summary: Restore for draft move
Contact the editor: mail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/TheresNoTime wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheresNoTime Taborah (talk) 19:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I feel I need to put this in writing for legal reasons.
What do you mean?--Bbb23 (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I believe I asked you to stop messaging me.
"I'm receiving from 100 different volunteers has become a form of abuse and I am taking it personal. Please stop!!!!!" Taborah (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
No, I need this for my doctor. I have to keep track of my triggers. Taborah (talk) 20:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Bbb23, I did not have a tantrum and I have bipolar disorder, ADHD and depression. You said "claiming mental illness." You said that. Do you understand how mean and hurtful that is? Why would I claim to have such a thing? I actually wrote about it on my website under my blog section. You should educate yourself because those are the types of things that trigger people. Then when someone gets angry you call it a tantrum. No, I don't have tantrums, I'm not 5. I do get upset, like you and everyone else because we are human. Let someone tell you they have cancer, which I'm a survivor of, and people are so empathetic, but you tell someone you've got a mental illness and it goes in one ear and out the other. This country and people need to understand, mental illnesses are real and they are not fun and they are not funny. I have 4 degrees and I still can't control some of my behavior sometimes. Can you imagine how frustrating that is for me? I'm not a stupid person. I hate this illness and I'm so sorry you seem to have no empathy for mental illnesses because they are real. I also would like to add.. why is this such a big deal if it's going to be written in draft and will need approval before release. That's great to me. It simply means I won't have to go through this again AND everything will be right. HJ Mitchell said I'm non-notable. Really.. I'm licensed in over 50 countries and collect royalties every year since 1997. It's just hurtful. You are talking about real people. You are having control over people's lives and then you're talking about me like my illness is an excuse and I'm a child who may blow up. It's wrong, it's unfair and it is so very hurtful. I understand you will do what you want but I pray to God, you are kinder and show patience with others. This includes yourself. You don't know what people are dealing with. Take care. Taborah (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Knowledge is power young lady. https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/bipolar-disorder Taborah (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
VRT #2021112810004204[edit]
Hi Taborah, I'm Sam (otherwise known by my username, TheresNoTime). I'm the editor who has been replying to your emails. My restoration of Draft:Taborah Adams was an attempt at helping you - I'm really sorry to see its caused you more stress.
I'd ask that other editors please refrain from leaving messages here temporarily, as this can be quite overwhelming. I'm currently speaking with this editor in VRT ticket 2021112810004204. TNT (talk) (she/they) 20:05, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
❤ Taborah (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I had no idea[edit]
This is how much I don't understand Wiki... I'm just learning, thanks to Sam, that this page existed... may sound ridiculous to some but it's facts. Wiki is simply not easy to maneuver and all the help pages are not helpful because the language is complicated. Videos would be better, as most people are visual. Taborah (talk) 20:09, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- This edit is not a good idea. You are required to assume good faith and be civil, and implying racism or sexism is neither of these. My deletions and blocks are a matter of public record, and I can assure you that the majority of individuals involved are white men. I've already said that you can try again, but you have to create a draft in accordance with our guidance. It seems that you have decided to blame us instead of addressing the issues that I have gone to some lengths to spell out to you. So be it Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Jim, the decision has been made on my life and I have been judged and convicted. I'm sorry that I was upset but after receiving over 50 emails, I counted, I believe it was slightly warranted. Either way, all have decided that second chances are not available on Wiki. Yesterday was stressful and honestly I think the whole thing is receiving more attention than it should. Volunteers are using their powers to shut people out forever, as if they fall short of nothing and have never needed a second chance. It serioisly shouldn't be this complicated and honestly there seems to be some power tripping going on. When a person can control the fate of another that's control. So, people are put in the position to have to walk on eggshells and can still be shut down by the power of the admin. You said I mentioned racism and sexism. Yes, I did. This upset you and although it should not have anything to do with my page, it surely has an impact. My page wasn't sexist, etc. You all are just people, with feelings and emotions and control and you have to separate your personal feelings from your professional ones. This didn't with me. I told Bbb23 that I have a mental illness and this was upsetting me and she said I should stay blocked because I may have a tantrum and use mental illness! THAT'S HORRIBLY MEAN!! HJ Mitchell said, I was a non-notable musician. These admin. act as if they are not taking about and dealing with people. We are human.. we, including you, make mistakes. What the hell does someone have to do to get a second chance? Seems to me begging is what is desired. I was really really upset yesterday. I cried and cried. I'm over this. It should have NEVER gotten this far and the things said about me are mean. I haven't been mean towards anyone but somehow I'm being talked about like I'm a monster. I'm not! I've had that page for years and just like that..snap of a finger the Wiki God's deleted it AND blocked me. Why, because they don't know how to separate their feelings from their work. Now, that's a fact! I should absolutely be able to go into draft mode and make the corrections, which by the way I agree on. This puts it in the position of needing to be approved before being released. Why are earth would anyone say no to that? Please help me understand why? Have none of the Wiki God's needed a second chance? Of course they have, but they have powers and well, you know the rest. Listen, I'm all about educating people and I'll be damn if I tell someone, who ask, that they can't try again. What would I lose to watch someone try and to help them succeed. What happen yesterday, the way I was talked about. It's so damn hurtful..I wish I could come back but I'm not begging anyone. I put this in God's hands. Taborah (talk) 14:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
FYI.. I said to multiple admins that I agreed with the changes. I was making changes when you deleted my page!! All I needed was for the page to be open so I could fix it... here we are 24 hours and nothing... I don't know about you or anyone else but I'm 57 and I'm not trying to have stress. This is unnecessary stress. It's an easy fix but seems easy isn't always easy. Tnx Taborah (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
"I can assure you that the majority of individuals involved are white men." ??? Taborah (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- If you send me another e-mail, I will disable your ability to do so.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
That's a threat! Taborah (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Wiki policy says email the admin. So now I'm still wrong even though I'm following policy. What in the world. Wiki says one thing and you're saying another. Who's rules do I follow? Taborah (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Jim, this is my point. I emailed Bbb2 and explained her comments about my mental illness good against Wiki Civility. She made assumptions about me saying I would have a tantrum and then said, "claiming mental illness." That's against policy. So now what do I do? I can be talked about like that and it goes ignored? 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ Taborah (talk) 19:10, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- It's not a threat; it's a warning. There is no need for you to e-mail me. Anything you have to say to me can be said here. Your e-mail was abusive to boot. You also clarified in your e-mail that your statement about "legal reasons" was in fact a legal threat to sue under the ADA. Legal threats are not permitted on Wikipedia and are independently blockable. I urge you to retract the threat or at least clarify that it was not intended as a threat to bring legal action.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:16, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
What you said is a threat, not a warning. I have no probmem posting my email. The fact that I said it's being put in writing is for personal reasons, which I do not need to explain. The fact that you have ignored your wrong doing and went against Wiki Civility policies is not good. I haven't said, written, nor done anything wrong so you keep trying to focus and bring attention back to something that is not relevant. What you said about my mental illness was WRONG!!! PERIOD! You can not ignore the facts that are in writing. So, I am calling you out and you don't like it but right is right and wrong is wrong. I'm not going back and forth with you. You, me, anyone who reads it and God knows your words were mean, hurtful, cold and without emphathy. My email was honest, which to you was abusive. Tell me what I said that was abusive? Taborah (talk) 19:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Below is the email I sent to Bbb23 in which she claims it was abusive. I have nothing to hide. She clearly violated Wiki Civility rules when she claimed I would have a tantrum and attacked my mental illness when she said, "claiming mental illness." And she put it in quotations to emphasis it. Wiki admins, all involved except TNT, are not in accordance with the Civility. Jim deleted my account the same day I was given the warning. A claim was made on me that I didn't have copyright for a picture just for the admin to come back and apologize telling me it wasn't tagged correctly by another admin., but I suffered. So apparently admin mistakes are acceptable. The admins who are supposed to monitor everyone make mistakes but still I'm in the wrong. Well ADMINS, the very last line of the email I sent to Bbb23 CLEARLY states, "even the experienced contributors should not be blocked without warning." You don't warn someone and minutes late delete their account. Wiki Civility is not be followed but admins demand perfection from everyone else. I said it yesterday and I'll say it again. I felt personally attacked. I stated that I felt because it was white men, and I'm a black women, for the 1st few hours, I felt uncomfortable as I was struggling to respond to the multiple emails I kept receiving. Well, Jim wrote that MY feelings of how I felt was me implying racism and sexism. I didn't imply it..I said it and I meant it. No one gets to dictate how I feel. Then he says in the same message, it's above, "I can assure you that the majority of individuals involved are white men." Ummm... isn't that why I said it felt like an attack. NO BODY should receive OVER 50 emails from several different admins in just an 8 hour span. When I expressed my stress and my illness and how I felt, it should have stopped but it got worse as the day went on as I was talked about like I was nobody and nothing and you ALL were going against Wiki Civility. I've done nothing wrong that warranted any of this abuse. Yes, mocking people's illness is abusive. Bbb23 seems to think my email was abusive...really? It was honest. What she said... THAT'S ABUSIVE!! I told so many people about her comment and everyone was shocked and offended, as AM I. If assumptions and hurtful comments are easily spewed out, I would bet money this is not the 1st time it's happened. I strongly suggest investigating.
I want to clear something up since you are playing with people's lives. I told you for legal reasons I was putting things in writing, well news flash. I meant for legal reasons...yes, for my doctor but also for ADA Act. What you and HJ Mitchell have said about me clearly goes against your own Wiki policies, please see below. I have stated over and over and over again that I made a mistake. It really should be that simple. I was actually updating the page and removing the things THAT I AGREE SHOULND'T BE THERE, but my page was deleted before I could finish. I've had that page for years. In stead of cutting me down and "making assumptions" about me, you all could have helped, but you talked about me like I was nothing and like you actually know me!
I received over 50 emails yesterday...50. That's a lot. From over 8 admins. So, you don't think that is cause to be annoyed combined with my illness. I was trying to help you understand and hoping to receive some form of empathy but you were cold, and then talked about me like I was a child with no self control. This God like attitude is not good and you are leaving people powerless over their lives, and you know this. You all have too much power but what you said about me goes against Wiki rules, so you made a mistake too...should you be shutdown? Have you never need another chance to get it right.
I received emails from 8:10 AM (yes, I woke up to them), until 6 PM, and it ended with false accusations made towards me. Bbb23 YOU were wrong but you are human so we should accept that people fall short sometimes but it doesn't mean they are bad people. What you said about mental illness and your mockery of mine, is downright cruel and you should apologize.
People ignore mental illnesses, push them aside as though it's only that persons problem...no. if you care about people, than we are in this together. I'm part of The Poor People's Campaign, because I care about people and their issues. We should care about people. Down syndrome, Autism, Mental Retardation, Depression, PTSD, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, Sociopath, Anxiety...these are ALL mental illnesses and should not be ignored, or made fun of. People have a difficult time with people with my illness because we are functional. We can go to school and work but there is nothing stamped on my head that says I'm suicidal. Take a moment and listen to my song, "I Just Can't Do It." I wrote it when I was going through suicidal depression. You are an admin. You are deciding people's fate. You MUST remove your personal feelings from your business dealings. What you said about me was a personal attack on me, it was ugly, hurtful, emotionless, and cold. You have allowed your "ideas," "feelings," "emotions" and "assumptions" about me to determine my fate! That is wrong!
I am 57 years old. I am not interested in doing things wrong, I have 4 college degrees, 2 of which are masters. I enjoy learning and had I been given the opportunity to correct my page I would have also learned how to do it correctly.
The fact that the page "could" be open for a draft, that would need to be approved prior to release and still many of you decided I wasn't Wiki worthy, and not notable enough to matter, is wrong. Period!! Wrong. You all decided that 2nd chances are not available. TNT said very clearly, what's the worse that could happen...1) It fails 2) she succeeds AND still you all said NO! That is unbelievable. Why would people not want to give someone an opportunity? Have you never need an opportunity in your life? Have you been perfect all the time? You never need to make-up a test in school maybe, or need some more time to learn something? Did you get on Wiki and immediately became a Wiki master and Admin? The answer is easy and anyone can answer it...it's no...why because you are human.
Listen, I'm messaging you to present that you went against Wiki policy. You said things about me that go against Wiki's Civility and you completed blocked me over personal "feelings," Yes, I put things in writing for legal reasons. I knew about the Civility and apparently you all forgot and have become way too comfortable with insulting people and taking away all privileges'.
Regardless of what any of you think or say about me...I am a good person! I am not mean spirited nor hurtful towards others. I believe in second chances because I have been given plenty. I pray moving forward you think about what you "think" about people, and think about what you're going to write before you type. Words are powerful and verbiage can damage many souls.
This has been exhausting, upsetting and I cried over the stress yesterday along with the 50+ emails. So, if you can't understand how someone would be frustrated, that's on you. But remember...someone has taken you there before...it's called life!
I would apologize to you, but I have done nor said nor written anything about you that warrants an apology. That's not true for you.
I hope you do the right thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility#Identifying_incivility
- (b) personal attacks, including racial, ethnic, sexual, disability-related ("claiming mental illness"), gender-related and religious slurs, and derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities.
(d) lying (you said I had a tantrum)
Assume good faith The assume good faith (AGF) guideline states that unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, editors should assume that others are trying to help, not hurt the project.
The guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of obvious evidence of intentional wrongdoing. However, do not assume there is more misconduct than evidence supports. Given equally plausible interpretations of the evidence, choose the most positive one.
Blocking for incivility See also: Blocking policy: Cool-down blocks Blocking for incivility is possible when incivility causes serious disruption. However, the civility policy is not intended to be used as a weapon and blocking should not be the first option in most cases.
Be sure to take into account all the relevant history. Avoid snap judgments without acquainting yourself with the background to any situation. Think very hard of the possible merits of all other avenues of approach before you take action. Sanctions for civility violations should only happen when nothing else would do. Poorly considered civility blocks have at times worsened disputes and increased disruption. Remember that sanctions may be more applicable under another heading (disruption, personal attack, tendentious editing, or harassment) Civility blocks should be for obvious and uncontentious reasons, because an editor has stepped over the line in a manner nearly all editors can see. In cases where you believe that taking admin action against someone who was uncivil might be contentious, it is expected that discussion will be opened on the matter, via WP:ANI, before any admin action is taken. Benefits derived from long or controversial civility blocks should be weighed against the potential for disruption caused by block reviews, and unblock requests.[2] Users should be clearly warned, in most circumstances, before being blocked for incivility, and should be allowed sufficient time to retract, reword or explain uncivil comments. Even experienced contributors should not be blocked without warning. Exceptions to this may include users who make egregious violations or threats, or who have received multiple warnings or blocks. Taborah (talk) 04:17, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Bbb23, please clarify exactly what you meant when you said, " I would probably have a tantrum, "claiming mental illness."
I need clarification so I can understand how this DOES NOT go against Wiki Civility? From what I've read... it totally goes against it. So please help me understand how it doesn't. Taborah (talk) 04:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Additionally, Bbb23 stated she didn't think I was competent to edit anything. 🙄 I have 2 master degrees. I think I could learn how to edit.
Again another insult. She does not know me but continued to insult me. Jim decided I wouldn't "agree to stick to editing other articles." Jim doesn't know me and has no idea what I would do, but has decided I would do the wrong thing. Is this normal behavior for admins? I'm thinking it is. Did someone look at me and pass judgment...absolutely!
I want all of you who partook in passing judgment and insulting me to tell me how you came to these conclusions. I need answers because listening to you all, you make me sound like I've been constantly warned and continue to ignore the rules. THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE!!! THESE ARE CLEARLY ALL ASSUMPTIONS AND I RECEIVE THEM AS PERSONAL ATTACKS. Taborah (talk) 05:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Correction. Bbb23 did not put anything in quotations. TNT did when she responded to what was said. Taborah (talk) 06:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Jim, you don't want to address your warning me and then minutes later deleting my account. Wiki Civility says not to do that. So, would you like to address why you did this? Bbb23, I've been waiting on your response and for you to tell me what was abusive about my email. I would like to inform those involved in the decision to delete, block and degrade me, that I have reached out to Mr. Wales and some members of the Board. I feel that what I experienced was cruel and unnecessary behavior and it became a personal attack when decisions were made about me based on personal feelings. I was not abusive to Wiki. I was not given multiple warnings and this should have never happened. I pray this incident reveals the truth of what has been transpiring on Wiki and the abuse of Admins powers. I'm certain this will be investigate because you can't talk about people the way you all did. I will be requesting for the removal of some admins. Taborah (talk) 02:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that there is anyone attacking you, and rather, it is YOU who attack and accuse others for being mean to you, when you don't listen to other advises. Even if others people are attacking you, you should not do the same to them. Or else, that's one-way ticket to the dreaded administrator board. (Are you actually here to improve Wikipedia?) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Please tell me exactly what I did/said that was attacking. Taborah (talk) 02:45, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
And are you writing in bold to the "others" you knowingly speak of? Did you also send them messages? Taborah (talk) 02:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
And who are you to write to me so aggressively? Bold letters and capitalize "YOU." Exactly where do you get off attacking me because that's exactly how your message comes across. You're jumping into a conversation that happened days ago... why? What exactly have I said or done to YOU? You don't think your message sounds aggressive? You're accessing me of something and you're wrong and this has got to stop. I don't need to continue to receive any further messages of someone accessing me of something. I am asking everyone to please stop. I am really manic right now and this has become overwhelming. I just want to work on the draft and get things right. Please stop coming at me. It has to stop. Taborah (talk) 02:53, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Accusing, not accessing Taborah (talk) 02:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
FYI...I have contacted my doctor as this situation and these aggressive messages have began to emotionally affect me. Throughout this ordeal I have told everyone about my illness. I have asked for this to stop and still it continues. Mental health is a serious issue and what has transpired, the accusations, the insults, the threats, etc., are disgusting and cruel. My psychologist requested a copy of everything, which I have forwarded and she has noted.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WILL SAY THIS... DO NOT MESSAGE ME!! IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP ME AND NOT ACCUSE OR ATTACK ME, BY ALL MEANS I ACCEPT YOUR ASSISTANCE.
AGAIN, I REPEAT. THIS HAS NOT BEEN GOOD...
PLEASE STOP!!!
DO NOT CONTACT ME IN REGARDS Taborah (talk) 13:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
@CactiStaccingCrane https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility_warnings#:~:text=Wikipedia%3ACivility%20(also%20called%20WP,(WP%3ANPA)%20policy. Taborah (talk) 17:26, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- I warned you before about abusive e-mail. You have violated that warning, and I have disabled your ability to e-mail others. I am also warning you that any more of your ranting here will result in the revocation of your access to this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Listen, Bbb23...I am simply following Wiki Civility policy. You are clearly threatening me. You have not once responded telling me how I am being abusive... NOT ONCE!! All you do is threaten me, and using the word "warning" doesn't change the meaning. You are in violation. You made assumptions, false accusations, you've attacked my disability and yet you continue to claim victim. It is your responsibility to be honest and fair. You attacked me. I never called anyone a name, haven't cursed... nothing. Absolutely nothing! You aren't able to prove that I have done any of the things you have claimed, and emailing you is not abuse. YOU TALKED ABOUT MY MENTAL ILLNESS! YOU ARE THE BULLY. YOU HAVE ATTACKED ME AND NOT ONE TIME HAVE YOU TRIED TO HAVE A DECENT CONVERSATION WITH ME... NOT ONCE! So, I'm going to ask you to explain how without me calling you any names, the way YOU did me, explain your victim claim, explain your comment about my mental illness BEFORE you do whatever you're going to do. You have gone too far. You assumed I would have a tantrum and claim my mental illness.You don't get to discriminate against someone and not explain yourself. You are not above Wiki Civility policy. Read the rules. You are in clear violation. I have never had these types of attacks on me. I am the one being attacked by you and others. Explain how you decided I would have the things you claimed I would. I can't wait to hear what I have done to warrant the personal attack on my disability...GO.. Taborah (talk) 03:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, you are lying about me. I have not at all done what you have claimed and if have please show it on this page. I put the email up that I sent you because I have nothing to hid. You haven't shown anything. All you have done is make false claims, which are lies and an attack on my character. I need you to show everyone who looks at this page EXACTLY what I have said or done that is anything of what you claim? I can't wait to see what I've done to deserve such attacks and threats. Wiki is big on communication. Why can't you communicate without threats. Please, show everyone what's been said by me that is abusive...Go! Taborah (talk) 03:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The word "ranting" is negative. Speaking at length in angry, foolish and impassioned way.
You are not supposed to talk to people like this. You are not supposed to use this kind of language. What is going on? I'm honestly concerned about your behavior.
Taborah (talk) 03:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
FYI... I'm a minister with a masters in divinity and Christian Education. I'm a huge fan of communication. That's how things are resolved. I haven't been able to speak with you. You are very angry and I am not the cause of your anger. It's something going on. Taborah (talk) 03:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- You are indefinitely blocked. The only thing you should be using your talk page for now is to appeal your block, and I doubt very much there is any point in doing that now. You certainly will not be unblocked while you have a legal threat outstanding. Meters (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, communication is not your thing. That's okay Taborah (talk) 03:59, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Meters, this is exactly what I've been talking about. Nothing but threats and assumptions. At this point you are all victims. I will not reach out to any admins. My page was opened for draft and deleted only days later. I was given a warning and minutes later I was deleted. So, whatever you say is irrelevant because everything is in writing and I'm not certain what you all are thinking but when you attack someones MENTAL DISABILITY and make false claims. You can't possibly believe that this behavior is acceptable and if you do... all I can say is, do your research. You all are not above anything. Absolutely nothing! Taborah (talk) 04:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
NOW IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COMMUNICATE AND NOT THREATEN ME.. I'M UP FOR IT. OTHERWISE... THIS IS CLEARLY ABUSE OF POWER.
YOU DO NOT GET TO TALK DOWN ABOUT ME AND MAKE FUN OF MY MENTAL ILLNESS AND THEN TELL ME I'M ABUSIVE AND THREATEN ME AND THEN SAY, I'M MAKING LEGAL THREATS... WHAT RESPONSIBILITY HAVE ANY OF YOU TAKEN FOR YOUR VERBAL ABUSE..ABSOLUTELY NONE.
SO STOP THREATENING ME. I'M DONE WITH THESE ATTACKS! Taborah (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)