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January 18[edit]

keuffel and esser co also called k&esser co have ther model rule six sided 1631w[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

IT WAS NEW IN 1969 TEMPLE UNIV . NEED TO UNDERSTAND WRITING OF NUMBERS TO SCALE CAN YOU HELP  ???? THANK YOU bill zuschlag ------------ —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

This question belongs on the Reference Desk, but as I have one, I'll answer. In short, the "10" scale has 10 divisions per inch, the "50" scale has 50 divisions per inch, etc. LeadSongDog come howl 03:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

Is there an API to allow me to pull data from wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtmurff (talkcontribs) 01:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes. (the documentation isn't very good, though) Algebraist 01:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Picture in post won't show[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

I have uploaded a picture to Wiki commons to show on the Russell, Manitoba page (Russellmainstreet.jpg). This picture is not copyright protected. I don't understand why it doesn't show up on the page. I followed all the Wikipedia Instructions to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chanebaum (talkcontribs) 03:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

That is because the file is called File:Russellmainstreet.JPG not File:Russellmainstreet.jpg. Case is significant in wiki links. I considered changing the link, but I think it would be better to get the file renamed. --ColinFine (talk) 08:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Contributing, not thru research, but personal experience.[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

I have 35 years experience with Native American ceremony, Sundance, sweatlodge, et al. When I taught a seminar at Yale on the subject, the Committee on Teaching all but turned it down, saying I was a "practicioner, not an observer." I am not a member of the scientific community. Therefore, I am hesitant to edit any of the subjects in Wikipedia of which I have intimate personal knowledge. Please advise me. >>>> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hankernst (talkcontribs) 03:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

could I get complete information sent to me <address and email redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Your expertise is welcome on Wikipedia: we do not reject anybody's contributions as long as they are written in a neutral tone, supported by reliable sources, not original research, (and not disruptive in nature). Please see the five pillars of Wikipedia.
AROBAZE.png Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email --ColinFine (talk) 08:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Note, however, that we do not permit additon of material that does not have published sources behind it; personal experience is not considered a reliable source, as we are a gathering of already-published information. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Question Concerning Permission to Use Photographs[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)


I would like to request your assistance in determining how best to establish the proper permissions to use photographs for an article.

I recently completed an article called Jim McCormick (speaker). I uploaded two of the photographs under "fair use" as they were photographs from public events. The third is a headshot from the subjects web page.

Evidently, I did not understand "fair use" properly as the photographs have both been removed. I've received notification that the headshot will also be deleted unless I clear this up. So, I've been doing some research.....

From what I gathered, it seems clear that a creative common license would probably be in order, except for one thing - although I have established that Mr. McCormick owns the copyright to the photographs in question he is, obviously of course, not their creator (i.e., the photographer).

Given that this is the case, is the best way to proceed to request that he submit the photographs to Wikipedia using the text you suggest or will a request on my part for permission be sufficient - the text of this section doesn't seem to cover someone who holds the copyright but is not the creator (in this case, photographer)?

Thank you very much for your assistance.

Jabailey1 (talk) 05:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know exactly how the permission should be submitted, but I'll comment on part of your question. Sometimes, for brevity, people will say the creator owns the copyright, but this is not necessarily true. The creator might have signed a contract, in advance, that gives the copyright to someone else; this is a work-for-hire. Or, after creating it, the creator might have sold or given the copyright to someone else. So if the subject of the photo somehow acquired all the rights, then he could give permission to Wikipedia. It is also possible the subject might have been given limited rights, in which case it gets really complicated. --Jc3s5h (talk) 05:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


i see that I asked the question above in the incorrect place. i will correct that and repost the question to the media copyright questions page.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Jabailey1 (talk) 05:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I wrote the message to say I would repost, before I saw your response.

Jabailey1 (talk) 05:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Userbox construction[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

This is my first time designing my own. I've got:

"" User minimalist.

I don't want the quotes showing on the left, but if I just leave "id =" blank, it doesn't display the left sub box. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

If you just want an otherwise blank gray box on the left, you can simply use a null character in the id, such as <br>. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Looks good and laconic. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Looking through the coding this will work for you so I will show this as
Corruptcopper (talk) 10:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

I accidently deleted something from a table. How do I put it back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klltr (talkcontribs) 08:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

You could revert yourself. Which article are you referring to? Dismas|(talk) 08:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I have reverted the changes you made to List of RealD films per your request here and on User talk:Klltr#Urgent Help Needed. In future, if you go to history, you can click on undo. Incidently, there is nothing wrong with leaving some red links in articles (as long as the number is not excessive) - it shows new articles which could be created. In the case of the redlinks on that page, they are all recently released films, so it might be that articles will be (or could be) created in the near future. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Uploading a photo from family archives for an existing Wikipedia file/page (of our deceased son Andrei Toncu).[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

Please help us because we don't know how to do it.

Elena Toncu —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

On the left side of the screen is a series of boxes, one of which is the Search box. Below that is a hyperlink for "Upload file". Click on it and follow the instructions. Then insert a link from the article to the uploaded picture. You might consider uploading it to wikicommons instead. Kittybrewster 12:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
  • If you want to add an existing image to an article, add [[Image:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information.
  • If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must find out what the proper license of the image is. If you know the image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure what license the image takes, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. I hope this helps. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

uploaded an article?[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

i have uploaded one article" Dhvani Desai" who is a prominent animator-filmmaker in India. along with some external links....for verification. but its still not uploaded. how do i know its finally put up? or else do let me know if gets put up. this is the first time i have put up an article, hence this query. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupendrafest (talkcontribs) 13:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The article is at User: Desai. It needs to be moved to article space, which you cannot do at the moment as your account isn't old enough (you need to have had an account for 4 days and have at least 10 edits: you meet the edits criteria though). I will move it to Dhvani Desai - it will need tidying up a bit though so I'll do some quick tidy up first! I'll leave a message when I've moved it. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 13:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I have moved it to Dhvani Desai. It still needs more cleaning up, which I will try to get done later today when I get a chance to do it properly. If anyone else wants to, feel free! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Control table of contents?[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

How can I control the table of contents box that appears when you have four or more sections in an article? In particular, I don't want it to appear at all. My sections are small and the appearance of the Contents box is an unneeded distraction. thanks GloverEpp (talk) 13:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you referring to La Renaissance (barge)? If so, as a reader I don't find the ToC distracting. However, if you read WP:TOC that explains how to turn off the table of contents. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The question wasn't about La Renaissance (barge) in particular. I was just curious about how to do it and had failed in searching through HELP on my own. thanks for your reply. GloverEpp (talk) 14:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Add the code __NOTOC__ at the top of the article. I should warn you that unless you have very good reasons for suppressing the TOC, if you add the code to an article it will almost certainly be reverted. If the ToC is distracting to you, click on the "hide" link to collapse it. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Help neeed with strange edits[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)


Another editor insists on making these edits to the article ZZ Top. I have already reverted them twice, for the reasons I have explained at Talk:ZZ_Top#Second_removal_of_edits, but they keep reappearing. I am not sure if the edits are intended to be constructive, if they are the product of a confused/misguided editor, or what. Could an experienced editor please take a look? Thanks. (talk) 14:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC).

I would assume good faith if the edits were a little more innocent, but this user is removing whole paragraphs, going against Wikipedia guidelines (e.g. removing pronunciation), adding unsourced statements, and making edits that are outright vandalism (e.g. changing the record label in several instances from RCA to BMG). I would slap 'em with a {{uw-vandalism2}} because the edits are unconstructive enough to make it really hard to issue a {{uw-vandalism1}} (the normal "misguided editor" template) but they aren't necessarily bad enough to warrant a {{uw-vandalism3}} (which assumes bad faith). {{uw-vandalism2}} is a nice middle ground because it doesn't make a faith assumption. Along with the warning add a link to your post on Talk:ZZ Top. After warning, I would watch and see how they react; usually one warning is enough to stop most new vandals, but if they continue (especially if they don't respond on either talkpage) it's definitely time to assume the user is not acting in good faith. Xenon54 / talk / 15:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Missing article[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

There is no article for h which is Planks constant, and important constant in science, at least I did not see it.

Your article on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle contains h bar which is h/(2Pi), but the article never gives a numerical value for h. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

There is an article on Planck's constant. Xenon54 / talk / 15:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
In addition the H (disambiguation) page contains a link.--SPhilbrickT 19:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Mr Don Ratzlaff[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

Dear Don, Remember me, we moved to OK to be closer to one of our daughters in our older age. Remember I had you dear sister Aileen in first grade at the Canada Dist. 60 school, back in the late 50's. She is one of my success stories after teaching 35 years in the county schools, 27 in the Marion # 408 schools.

To get to the point. I do miss the Free Press and really wish I was on your mailing list, but I know I am from out of state and your guidelines do not include this area. I would subscribe but our budget is limited so my brother, Paul Meysing, saves me his issues that I get when we get back to visit him about every 2 or 3 months, old news is better than no Free Press.

Again, I want to put an article for a card shower in recognition of my sister-in-law's 80th birthday (Mrs. Paul Meysing) and wonder if there is a charge for that service. It seems I have heard that you now charge for some of those services, or did I dream this. Please let me know so I can get you the info for the Feb. 3 issue. Thank you, If I had your phone number I could call you and save all of your time by reading this. It seems to be a deep secret as I couldn't find it on your web site. I'm sure there is a reason.

Direct to Don Ratzlaff/ Not for publication —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
  • AROBAZE.png Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you wish for them to be permanently removed from the page history, email this address. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Your contact details have been permanently removed from the page history by an oversighter (Happy-melon to be precise), as I wasn't sure if you would see my message, so I contacted them on your behalf. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Article Creation Check?[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)

I'd like to view which articles specific users have created, how can I do this? I only know how to see all of their contribution.Thanks. DegenFarang (talk) 16:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

If you go to Escaladix's List Articles, this will show you all new articles created by a specific user (redirects/non-redirects/all) -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Oops, wrong one - that one's not working at the moment. Try SoxRed93's utility here instead. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
There's also a direct link to the articles created by someone at the bottom of the User's contributions page. This is the same tool as above, but a direct link for the user you're looking at.--BelovedFreak 17:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! DegenFarang (talk) 17:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Belovedfreak! I've never noticed that one. By the way, the direct link to the tool also allows you to look at new articles created on other WMF projects (Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc - and different languages, such as en, fr, de, ...) and different name spaces (Articles, User, User Talk, etc). -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

How to correctly post a question or comment in an article discussion[edit]

Resolved: Corruptcopper (talk)


Thanks for Wikipedia, I use it very often more and more.

I wanted to add a comment to an article discussion, and I saw that everyone else's comment appeared different from the one I entered, so I think I must not have entered mine correctly, but it did show up.

So, I can't find instructions on how to add a comment or question to an article discussion. I will keep looking, but if there is a link you could give me, thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtwd (talkcontribs) 21:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Your contribution is here. Look at Help:Wiki_markup#Text_formatting for formatting help. --NeilN talk to me 21:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I formatted your comment for you, see this edit. I have to say though that "It's brilliant" isn't going to hold much sway in a deletion discussion. You need to focus on the reasons why the article has been sent for discussion, which in this case appears to be because it is orginal research. – ukexpat (talk) 21:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Also, take a look at Help:Before commenting in a deletion discussion and Wikipedia:AfD#How to discuss an AfD. – ukexpat (talk) 21:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi i was wondering if you could list the singles for eminems album titled "infinite" you list singles for every eminem album but that one. That would be great if you could do that.

thanks have a nice day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The songs are at Infinite (Eminem album)#Track listing. Do you have a reliable source saying any of them were released as singles? Template:Eminem singles is only for singles. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

New question[edit]

I want to include a picture of the sarcmark ( to my new article. How do I do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gypsy John (talkcontribs) 21:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

SarcMark is currently tagged for speedily deletion, so I would not worry about adding images to it at the moment. – ukexpat (talk) 22:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No it's not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gypsy John (talkcontribs) 22:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

It was. Another user removed the request for speedy deletion. See Wikipedia:Upload for instructions; if the file is freely licensed (i.e. not copyrighted), please upload it to Commons - you can use the same username if you go to Special:MergeAccount first. Xenon54 / talk / 23:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
As all the coverage seems to indicate that it is copyrighted, it can't be uploaded to Commons. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 00:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

My Wikipedia contributions aren't saving[edit]

I logged in to Wikipedia using my authorized username, made changes and updates to an article, and clicked "Save page." In the preview window, the changes are correct. When I log out, the changes are still correct. But an hour or so later, all of my changes are gone. This has happened twice. What am I doing incorrectly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oltmanns (talkcontribs) 21:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at the article history here. Your changes are being reverted. --NeilN talk to me 21:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Your additions were also copied and pasted from here in violation of copyright. TeapotgeorgeTalk 21:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
And clearly spam. – ukexpat (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Process for proving that published works are released under free licenses[edit]

File:L. Cedeño Bliss Wishes.jpg is an album cover whose uploader claims to be the copyright holder. Since this image has been previously published, is there a process to confirm that the uploader is the copyright holder? The closest corresponding issue of which I can think are images such as File:Phil 1.jpg, where an email to OTRS was used to prove that the uploader really was the professional photographer that he claimed to be. Do we require OTRS, or is there some other process? Nyttend (talk) 22:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know the only sure way is for the alleged copyright owner to contact OTRS with appropriate evidence as described at WP:IOWN. – ukexpat (talk) 22:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)