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New article with same title as existing article

Hi, I want to write an article on Nicholas Royle a Professor at the University of Sussex and author of a novel, Quilt. He's written 11 books (including co-authoring an influential textbook) and published dozens of articles. He is different than the Nicholas Royle who already has a page on wikipedia (also a university teacher and novelist). I have recently edited the Nicholas Royle page to have the correct birth place and date (as it used to have the birthdate and place of the Nicholas Royle for whom a page is needed). In any case, the Nicholas Royles are very used to getting mistaken for one another-- even the Library of Congress has mixed them up. But it is important their work is kept separate so I would like to create a page for Nicholas Royle but am not sure how to start it if it has the same title as another article and who will take care of making sure the pages are disambiguated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florencewhimbrel (talk • contribs) 04:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

There are several acceptable solutions, see [1] for some examples. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Total Customer Value Management, Neutrality of the article is disputed

Hi! Dear Sir/ Madam,

I am finding following issues with my “Total Customer Value Management” page on wiki with username Narenderwp

Please let me know where I need to correct to get issues resolved.

The neutrality of this article's introduction is disputed. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (July 2013)

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. This article may require copy editing for Tone. (July 2012)

This article may be confusing or unclear to readers. (March 2012)

This article may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may only interest a specific audience. (March 2012)

URL of the Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Customer_Value_Management

Regard, Narender Kumar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narenderwp (talk • contribs) 04:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Narenderwp: Of all of the things that are listed as problems with the article, the most serious is that the references do not establish that this is a notable concept. The article should have references to several articles written by journalists or other authors not connected with Gautam Mahajan to show that the concept is well known. The references provided are an article that is about Mr. Mahajan but not about the topic, a document written by Mr. Mahajan, and an article that doesn't say on the web page who wrote it. If this is not addressed, the article could be deleted at any time. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Common diseases and their treatment

Hello fellow editors! The above article is in Articles for creation space, although it has never been submitted. It seems to me that this isn't and likely could never be an article, and may be dangerous if people see it and decide to take it as medical advice. Is there some policy that covers this? —Anne Delong (talk) 04:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not aware of a policy that specifically deals with this. There is WP:Medical, but that is more about giving individualized advice. Regardless of whether there is a policy that demands its immediate deletion, I've nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Common diseases and their treatment as I agree it should not be sitting around with unsourced medical information. Monty₈₄₅ 04:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

This box thing

On my userpage, I have added a template of some of the articles I have created. But the template is arranged horizontally, and I want it to display vertically, as it does on User:Ombudsman, where I copied and pasted the template from. Can someone tell me how to get it to do that? Jinkinson (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If you go back to the table you copied from, you'll see that there is a

|-

to give a new row in a table. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah thanks, but it turns out while you were posting that I figured it out by myself. Thanks anyway Jinkinson (talk) 14:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Glad you fathomed it out. I think you're still missing them for the first rows after your sub-headings. You seem to have extra column separators instead of row separators. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

--24.165.125.224 (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Bold text

Renaming URL in reference section when sourcing it

If you was to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk for a source how would you make it be in the 'Reference' section not as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk but just as "Help Desk" but when you click it then it will take you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk, thank you.--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 16:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Like this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk| Help desk] (shows up as Help desk). Why would you want to use the Help desk as a source? Or was that just an example? Howicus (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia "articles" should not be used as references per WP:CIRCULAR. That said, in general you'd format it thusly: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk Help Desk] would display "Help Desk". Though since it is an internal link you could instead just use [[Help_desk|Help Desk]] to achieve the same effect. Ideally you should use a space instead of the underscore as well. More info is available at Help:Link. DonIago (talk) 16:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I was just using that as an example, sorry for the confusion. To make it more clear I went onto Google and typed in 'news' and the first link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 so if I wanted to make that "Erika Kacicova" in the reference box how do you do it and is there a bit of information on this, I'm not sure what it is called as its not shortening a URL, can you help me please thanks.--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 17:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I would use the full article title, so [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive'] → Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive' --Redrose64 (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If you use Template:Cite web, there are fields for url, title, publication date, access date, etc. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. There's also automated tools such as this one that can take a URL and generate the appropriate code automagically. DonIago (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

See more at Help:Link. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm getting a tad little bit confused now because on the Cite web page it is telling me to do a lot of {{ instead of just, which is the best way to do it? I am confused between Template:Cite web, Citing_sources#Links and ID numbers, and Embedded citations - is it not just easier to put the ref bits and in the middle you put [ then the link and then a space then whatever you want it to go as then ]--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The marks like are created by <ref></ref>. Between the <ref> and the </ref> you put the information about the reference. In its simplest form, this would be the bare URL

<ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640</ref>

but clearly you want to give that a meaningful title. The next simplest method is to use the square brackets that I mentioned earlier

<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive']</ref>

The techniques advised by others - using {{cite web}} or similar - add more flexibility but at the expense of being more difficult to understand. In this case you would use

<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 |title=Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive'}}</ref>

Use whichever one you feel most comfortable with. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Unable to edit title

Hi,

I am unable to edit the title of the page. Could you please edit the title? The title should be Vundavalli Arun Kumar.

URL -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vundavalli_Aruna_Kumar

17:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartheekchem (talk • contribs)

Can you provide a source to verify the spelling? It has been spelled the same way for years, and is spelled that way on other wikipedia pages as well. I checked all the links on the article page, and could not find a spelling either way. Monty₈₄₅ 17:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion separated from its article

Dear editors: This article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray is really material that relates to the article David Kaonohiokala Bray which used to be on this page but was cut and pasted into mainspace. Should this discussion be moved to the article's talk page, and, if so, how would that be done? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't cut and pasted, it was moved from Wikipedia:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray, & the history shows that, and thus traces back to those talk page comments. The original draft article should, of course, have been at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray instead of at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 18:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's not a current Afc submission, so what should be done with it? Items in Afc which haven't been edited in 6 months are being deleted. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.102.196 (talk) 19:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

war office

i need email address of naval secretary to gain my father srvice records — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.106.108 (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. CTF83! 19:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Since the IP resolves to the UK, [2] may be of help. Dru of Id (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

donate

I saw a donation option on one page, and now I can't find it. I want to donate. How do I find it again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.1.72.4 (talk) 20:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

On the left side of the page, under the globe, there is a link to "Donate to Wikipedia". RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Try this web site. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Copyright question

Dear editors: The awards section of this article: Delhi in a Day is taken directly from this web site: [[3]]. Each line has an attribution. Since this is a list of the awards, in order, it's hard to say how much different it could be made. Is this a copyright violation? If so, perhaps the list should be removed, and just a sentence saying that the film has won multiple awards with a reference to the web site would be more appropriate. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Facts can't be copyrighted. However, it totally fails to qualify as a WP:RELIABLESOURCE. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

References in french only

Dear Wikipedia,

What if most of my reliable secondary sources are all in French? Please help, I am trying to create an article on artist Diana Lui in English Wikipedia who already exists in the French Wikipédia.

Thanks for your advice,

itcheemonkeeItcheemonkee (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources don't have to be in English. See WP:NONENG. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

There are more than enough people who can read French and verify your sources here, so don't worry about it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

wrong mayor on this page...

Hello, concerning this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelbach,_Haut-Rhin

The mayor of Michelbach is Gilbert Steiner (not André Centlivre).

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.246.62.1 (talk) 22:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have updated it [4] but you could have done it yourself by clicking the "Edit source" tab. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)