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Rugby Canada Super League navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Navboxes for amateur teams from the defunct Rugby Canada Super League. These templates provide insufficient navigational benefit as they only link to 2 or 3 articles (the team, the league, and sometimes the venue). For the most part, each navbox only has a single transclusion on the parent article and appears right next to Template:Rugby Canada Super League which takes care of linking to every league season.  BLAIXX 17:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. No prejudice against recreation if there are more links in the recreated template. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused navbox that contains only four bluelinks. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. ミラP 17:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Creators need a week to create lists.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ミラP 17:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Considering WP:CHILDPROTECT and the past history of such userboxen (in its current form pedosexual is a redirect to pedophilia), is it really a good idea to have such an userbox? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 08:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This reads more like an essay/rant than something that would be appropriate as a template, or even in articlespace. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Primefac (talk) 02:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A navbox based upon video games in the same genre by the same developer. With List of Cryo Interactive video games and Category:Cryo Interactive games, this is unnecessary. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as creator: The navbox is far more accessible to average users than the cat or the (very shaggy) list. On top of that, Cryo Interactive's adventure games are a distinct entity in its catalogue, and are treated as such by reliable sources. Cryo developed games in many genres, but its adventures were a core part of its business, and the Cryo adventure is a specific and widely-imitated breed of game (again, as seen in sources, both in English and foreign languages). I reflected this by using the same formula followed by one of WPVG's more notable navboxes, Template:Sierra Adventure Games, a partial inspiration for this one. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @JimmyBlackwing:, thanks for your input. Why would an average user be in need of a navbox based upon a certain genre of video games by a certain developer? What's the point of an easy navigation to another entry? It fails WP:NAVBOX on all five points: there is no coherent, single subject. Most of the games aren't related, except for a couple of sequels, and as such do not refer to each other. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 05:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The coherent, single subject is adventure games developed by Cryo. We already have Template:LucasArts adventure games and Template:Sierra Adventure Games, as those are well-defined topics in reliable sources about video games. Those companies developed games outside those genres, but their adventure game output is a specific, notable subject in itself. Cryo is in the same boat. To offer a rough example, here's Der Spiegel:
"Until the late 1990s, the French software house Cryo Interactive was known for colorful, graphically opulent and light adventure games, such as 'Atlantis' or 'The Ring of the Nibelung'.
With the decline of this genre in general and also due to the low quality of its own products in comparison to many competitors, the designers were forced to look for alternatives."
Similarly, here's the French newspaper Liberation defining the company's style of adventure game. And here's a partial transcript from a French game magazine in which one of Cryo's founders identifies the company's adventure games as a core, specific, individual part of its business, which it de-emphasized with time. I've done a lot of reading when it comes to European adventure game sources in this era, and could link dozens more examples of Cryo's adventure games being defined and analyzed as a specific subject, if necessary. Many of the sources for what I'm describing are in foreign languages, admittedly, because Cryo was a European company that made most of its money in Europe—but that shouldn't have any effect on the outcome here. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 06:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep while a distinction like this would not be useful in most circumstances it is here. Cryo interactive is primarily known for their adventure games so much that they are regularly discussed together as shown by Jimmy's sources. The main problem would be that the topic doesn't have an article yet which I'm honestly surprised it doesn't but since it meets the four other criteria at WP:NAVBOX and they are explicitly to be interpreted as guidelines I have no problem giving a pass on that. Also worth noting is that the template being redundant to the category and list is not a good argument per WP:NOTDUPE. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 January 27. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Offers no benefit over existing navigation within the transcluded articles. WP:NENAN. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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