Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Georges Bizet

Georges Bizet

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This is the archived discussion of the TFAR nomination for the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page.

The result was: scheduled for Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 25, 2013 by Bencherlite^Talk 06:59, 8 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Georges Bizet (1838–75) was a French composer, mainly of opera, whose final work, Carmen, became one of the most popular and frequently performed in the opera repertory. As a young composer during the 1860s he struggled for recognition; he began many theatrical projects, but found that the main Parisian opera theatres preferred the established classics to the works of newcomers. Neither of his two early operas that reached the stage—Les pêcheurs de perles and La jolie fille de Perth—achieved initial success. The production of Carmen was delayed through fears that its themes of betrayal and murder would offend audiences; after its premiere in 1875, Bizet was convinced that the work was a failure. He died of a heart attack three months later, at the age of 36, unaware that the opera would prove an enduring success. After his death Bizet's work was largely forgotten, apart from Carmen. Manuscripts were given away or lost, and published versions were often the result of revision by other hands. As his operas began to be performed more frequently in the 20th century, commentators increasingly acclaimed Bizet as a composer of brilliance and originality, whose premature death was a significant loss to French musical theatre. (Full article...)

150th anniversary (4), widely covered (2), likely vital article, will be 2 years old when shown (2), - I am sure that Brian will polish the blurb, as before, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

It is indeed a "vital article", which trumps "widely covered", but it will be just short of its second anniversary as FA (promoted 28th Oct 2011) so 9 points. Bencherlite^Talk 12:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC) 7 points because it was a vital article until a couple of weeks ago, apparently without discussion... Bencherlite^Talk 14:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support: If it's a 9-pointer, the nom is premature, but as there is some shortage of TFA candidates I suggest we leave it here. I will work on the blurb to reduce it to the appropriate length. Brianboulton (talk) 13:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I brought it here because it was a topic of previous discussions, and it looked so empty. Perhaps the rules could be streamlined, to not a different "first nomination time" for different points (which I still get wrong)? I suggest simply a month after the last scheduled. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

See the talk page and the header above, which now simply says "Currently accepting requests from October 2 to November 1" - no more does it say "(only up to [an earlier date] if it has five or more points)". I have already changed the rule to which you are both referring. Bencherlite^Talk 14:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adjusting! (I believe almost everything Brian says and didn't look again.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• Comment What is this the 150th anniversary of? It's his 175th birthday, but that would only earn it two points. And on which vital article list is it? It's not at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/People (it was recently removed, in fact). -- tariqabjotu 14:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Yep, Gerda's got the birthday wrong (and I didn't notice). Perhaps she was thinking of the 150th anniversary of Pearl Fishers, which was scheduled today. You're right about the vital article issue, and in fact I had already corrected myself on this, a minute before you pointed it out! (I have a list of vital FAs yet to appear on the main page, but hadn't checked it in the time since Bizet was removed). 5 points (2 points 175th, 2 points widely covered, 1 for a 1-year FA). Bencherlite^Talk 14:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about my math, yes, the opera was on mind too much, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support: regardless of the point total, this is the type of material that a quality encyclopedia should contain. The article looks to be in good condition. However, I think I prefer the first photo as it shows better contrast and isn't over-saturated. Praemonitus (talk) 03:35, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support. I agree with Praemonitus about the photo, though. Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:57, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

  I have changed to the original photograph (although he looks rather overweight to me). Still got to slim down the blurb, though. Brianboulton (talk) 22:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Can we perhaps crop it? He will still look to the "wrong side", though, - I think there is more "life" in the other one, and (like Wagner) this is the one people see all the time, nothing new, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

See File:Georges Bizet (flipped).jpg for a version looking to the right. He's got no blemishes or anything that would lead to accusations of misleading (as per WP:IMAGELOCATION, so we should be OK here). Feel free to use, ignore or edit further, if appropriate. - SchroCat (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

• ps: Support. - SchroCat (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support – This is a great example from the classical music articles to have as TFA. -- Cassianto^Talk 13:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I have shortened the blurb and adopted the flipped image - thanks, SchroCat. I'm inclined to leave it at that. Brianboulton (talk) 15:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)