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Updating large service ribbons for Grand Tutnum and higher levels[edit]

If one reviews the various enWiki awards ribbons one can see that, in general, the small (72px) versions of the ribbons very closely match the larger (120px) versions of the ribbons. However, the large and small ribbons for service awards differ quite greatly from each other beginning at Grand Tutnum. In addition, the award stars used on the current large ribbons do not match the convention used in attaching service stars and 5/16 inch stars to medals and ribbons, viz. a bronze or gold star represents an additional award, while a silver star is used in lieu of five bronze or gold stars. I have taken the liberty of redesigning the large ribbons to use bronze and silver service stars, as those are more appropriate for service awards, as well as redesigning them to match the small ribbons. However, prior to uploading more than twenty images to Commons to create a table (which I have started here), I wanted to know if there was any desire to update those images. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 08:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Sounds OK to me. I can't really visualize it, can you show an example? Or I'm willing to trust your judgement. Herostratus (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
@Herostratus: I'll try to upload the images tonight. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 22:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
@Herostratus: here is the transcluded table. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 01:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Proposed updates to service award ribbons
° Level name Current images Proposed image #1
(service stars)
Proposed image #2
(match small ribbons)
Small Ribbon Large Ribbon
1 Registered Editor Editorrib1.PNG Signator (tiny border).PNG No change
2 Novice Editor Burba rib.svg Burpa Ribbon.png No change
3 Apprentice Editor Novato rib.svg Apprentice Ribbon.png No change
4 Journeyman Editor Editorrib4.png Journeyman Editor Ribbon.png No change
5 Yeoman Editor Editorrib5.png Yeoman Editor Ribbon.png No change
6 Experienced Editor Editorrib6.png Experienced and Established Editor.png No change
7 Veteran Editor Editorrib7.png Veteran Editor Ribbon.png No change
8 Veteran Editor II Editorrib8.png Veteran Editor Ribbon 2.png Veteran Editor II stars.png Veteran Editor II stripes.png
9 Veteran Editor III Editorrib9.png Veteran Editor Ribbon 3.png Veteran Editor III stars.png Veteran Editor III stripes.png
10 Veteran Editor IV Editorrib10.png Veteran Editor Ribbon 4.png Veteran Editor IV stars.png Veteran Editor IV stripes.png
11 Senior Editor Editorrib11.png Senior Editor.png Senior Editor stars.png Senior Editor stripes.png
12 Senior Editor II Editorrib12alt.png Master editor.png Senior Editor II stars.png Senior Editor II stripes.png
13 Senior Editor III Editorrib13.png Master editor 2.png Senior Editor III stars.png Senior Editor III stripes.png
14 Master Editor Editorrib14.png Master Editor Ribbon.png Master Editor stars.png Master Editor stripes.png
15 Master Editor II Editorrib15.png Master Editor II Ribbon.png Master Editor II stars.png Master Editor II stripes.png
16 Master Editor III Editorrib16.png Master Editor III Ribbon.png Master Editor III stars.png Master Editor III stripes.png
17 Master Editor IV Editorrib17.png Master Editor IV Ribbon.png Master Editor IV stars.png Master Editor IV stripes.png
18 Grandmaster Editor Editorrib18.png Grandmaster Editor Ribbon.png Grandmaster Editor stars.png Grandmaster Editor stripes.png
19 Grandmaster Editor First-Class Editorrib19.png Grandmaster Editor FC Ribbon.png Grandmaster Editor FC stars.png Grandmaster Editor FC stripes.png
20 Vanguard Editor Editorrib20.png Vanguard Editor Ribbon.png Vanguard Editor stars.png Vanguard Editor stripes.png

Well, sure. This looks fine to me. Anybody have any objections? Herostratus (talk) 02:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Looks good. No objections. VMS Mosaic (talk) 12:49, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Do you have a preference? I like the striped ribbons since they match the small ones. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 04:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh I get it, we're 1) assuming the small ribbons are to stay as is, and 2) looking at two possible versions for the large ribbon. OK. Well, they're both good... the idea of matching the small ribbons is a virtue, but the other version is nice in a different way. Can't decide! Herostratus (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Dear Jkudlick, Thanks for doing this. It's an improvement in most places. However, I think it really needs a little bit more work! Basically, the design is inconsistent with the naming scheme. For instance "Senior Editor" has four (dark) stars and the next level SE 2 has one (bright) star. A more logical choice would be to keep the groups together, but differentiate clearly between groups while keeping the number of star relatively low. So, Senior Editor: 1 star, SE2: 2 stars, SE3: 3 stars. Followed by Master Editor: 1 star -- ME 4: stars but use thin gold colour marking around the purple or something like this .

For Grandmaster Editor and above, I am not happy that the wheels are supposed to be replaced. What is wrong with the current design? The solution you are proposing for the top three levels is not very elegant and makes these levels indistinct from the levels below. The current design really reflects the naming. Please don't change these. Many thanks! Mootros (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@Mootros: If you go to WP:RIBBONS, you will notice that the vast majority of small ribbons match the large ribbons. The stars I used follow the convention used by service stars where one silver star is used in lieu of five bronze stars, and the striped versions match the smaller ribbons. I think the ribbon designs for Senior Editor and above could be reworked. I will probably do that and re-upload new striped versions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I forgot to answer your question about the ship's wheels. Right now, I'm on my phone, and the three ribbons are literally indistinguishable; they are even hard to tell apart on a PC screen. The point of the ribbon is to easily tell what award is represented, so that is why I feel they need to be changed. Not many editors legitimately hold the title of Grandmaster or GM FC, and I don't think there are any legitimate Vanguards, so there won't be too many images being changed. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 04:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I see, this is something from the US forces. I think that's the problem why it seems to make no sense. It's not widely known and there is no apparent link to Wikipedia. Why can we not have something more creative, rather than following something obscure as a uniformed US services?
Yes, I agree there is no point changing the wheels as almost no one legitimately uses them at the moment. Yes, in the long run we can make them more distinguishable. This could easily be done be having a silver wheel for the top level and possibly only two wheels for lower levels. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Veteran_Editor_Ribbon_2_wheels.png Mootros (talk) 05:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I agree the use of the service stars is US-centric, which is part of the reason I prefer the stripes. I recall seeing ribbons with one, two, and three wheels somewhere, and I think those would certainly be distinguishable enough from each other for the top three levels. I can try to make smaller versions of those in lieu of the current striped ones, and I'll eventually make SVGs of all the ribbons. I'm considering different color schemes for the Veteran, Senior, and Master levels. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 05:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. This sounds great! To be honest I think the lower levels might needs some overhaul too. They look quite scruffy. I very much like the idea of different colours to denote groups. I think you could also combine two colours; the trick would be to have subtle difference/ i.e. shades of different colours for each levels that nonetheless are still clearly distinguishable. This would avoid a potential clash of colours and possible circus look ;-). I trust your judgement; from what you already designed its looks very neat. Cheers! Mootros (talk) 05:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll start working on them later, but I think converting the lower levels to SVG will do a lot to help them look cleaner, but given what has been discussed already, I may begin a larger overhaul. I'll be sure to post the results here before making changes to the service award templates and pages. There is no need to worry about a "circus look;" I have an interest in heraldry and vexillology, both of which also believe that simpler is usually better. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Herostratus, VMS Mosaic, and Mootros: Here is an updated table. I have converted all of the larger ribbons to SVGs with updated designs and proposed names for the higher levels to kind of match the Grandmaster First Class name. I'm not sure why the PNG preview for the Registered Editor ribbons renders that way, but if you look at the original file you can see what I thought I had uploaded; that first level may require a total redesign if SVGs are to be used. I changed the ribbon colors for the Yeoman and Experienced levels to match Journeyman, since it seems somewhat more rational to me. As always, feel free to comment. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 09:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Wow, excellent work! I can see your approach certainly is elegance through a clear and simple design. Two minor points: The light blue for "Apprentice Editor" looks slightly out of place now. I think gold without any dot might be a more logical choice, which will also mirror the sequence between "Veteran Editor" and "Veteran Editor II". The second point, I think the different strip colours between "Veteran Editor II-IV" and the "Senior Editors" is back to front. I feel it might be better to have "silver" strips first and than the "gold" strips. This type of colour progression would then also mirror the sequence between the silver of the "Novice Editor" and gold above, as well as the silver stars and gold wheels. Apart from that almost perfect, IMHO! Many thanks! Mootros (talk) 10:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
About the changes in names. I suggested two simple name changes for the lower levels for better consistency. The was not welcomed by one editor. I am happy to have the names reviewed and altered, but I suggest to do this separately from the ribbon design. Thanks! Mootros (talk) 10:43, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Very nice @Jkudlick! My final comment: To advance your concept of minimalism further, it might be worthwhile to check and possibly fine tune the key colours: Sliver, Gold, Purple. I think, if we have three basic colours (ignoring the red for the tildes), it might further improve the overall appearance and consistency. What I am saying is, you might want to try matching the reappearance of the colours: i.e. the gold of the Apprentice and Journeymen could reappear in the strips of Senior Editors. I think, this slightly darker tone of gold might give more elegance than the brighter yellow and of course links the different levels. Similar the silver of the dots could be identical to the silver of strips and stars, but it possibly already is. See what it looks like; it might make the difference to be top-notch. Cheers, Mootros (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I've made the stripes on the Senior Editor levels and the ship's wheels on the GM/Vanguard levels darker to match the bronze gold of the lower levels (though I kind of like the brighter gold on the wheels). I also matched the silver of the Registered/Novice levels to the silver used at all other levels, and made the tildes and incremental stripes purple. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Great! Yes, maybe revert to the brighter gold for the wheels; it might give a bit of extra contrast for the top levels. I like the purple tildes! Mootros (talk) 06:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 Done I'll begin working on the smaller ribbons later. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 06:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Proposed updates to service award ribbons
° Level name Current designs Updated designs Incremental awards
Large Ribbon Small Ribbon Large Ribbon Small Ribbon Level 2 Level 3 Level4
1 Registered Editor Signator (tiny border).PNG Editorrib1.PNG Registered Editor.svg Editorrib01.svg Registered Editor lv2.svg Registered Editor lv3.svg Registered Editor lv4.svg
2 Novice Editor Burpa Ribbon.png Burba rib.svg Novice Editor.svg Editorrib02.svg Novice Editor lv2.svg Novice Editor lv3.svg Novice Editor lv4.svg
3 Apprentice Editor Apprentice Ribbon.png Novato rib.svg Apprentice Editor.svg Editorrib03.svg Apprentice Editor lv2.svg Apprentice Editor lv3.svg Apprentice Editor lv4.svg
4 Journeyman Editor Journeyman Editor Ribbon.png Editorrib4.png Journeyman Editor.svg Editorrib04.svg Journeyman Editor lv2.svg Journeyman Editor lv3.svg Journeyman Editor lv4.svg
5 Yeoman Editor Yeoman Editor Ribbon.png Editorrib5.png Yeoman Editor.svg Editorrib05.svg Yeoman Editor lv2.svg Yeoman Editor lv3.svg Yeoman Editor lv4.svg
6 Experienced Editor Experienced and Established Editor.png Editorrib6.png Experienced Editor.svg Editorrib06.svg N/A
7 Veteran Editor Veteran Editor Ribbon.png Editorrib7.png Veteran Editor 4C.svg Editorrib07.svg N/A
8 Veteran Editor II Veteran Editor Ribbon 2.png Editorrib8.png Veteran Editor 3C.svg Editorrib08.svg N/A
9 Veteran Editor III Veteran Editor Ribbon 3.png Editorrib9.png Veteran Editor 2C.svg Editorrib09.svg N/A
10 Veteran Editor IV Veteran Editor Ribbon 4.png Editorrib10.png Veteran Editor 1C.svg Editorrib10.svg N/A
11 Senior Editor Senior Editor.png Editorrib11.png Senior Editor 3C.svg Editorrib11.svg N/A
12 Senior Editor II Master editor.png Editorrib12alt.png Senior Editor 2C.svg Editorrib12.svg N/A
13 Senior Editor III Master editor 2.png Editorrib13.png Senior Editor 1C.svg Editorrib13.svg N/A
14 Master Editor Master Editor Ribbon.png Editorrib14.png Master Editor 4C.svg Editorrib14.svg N/A
15 Master Editor II Master Editor II Ribbon.png Editorrib15.png Master Editor 3C.svg Editorrib15.svg N/A
16 Master Editor III Master Editor III Ribbon.png Editorrib16.png Master Editor 2C.svg Editorrib16.svg N/A
17 Master Editor IV Master Editor IV Ribbon.png Editorrib17.png Master Editor 1C.svg Editorrib17.svg N/A
18 Grandmaster Editor Grandmaster Editor Ribbon.png Editorrib18.png Grandmaster Editor 2C.svg Editorrib18.svg N/A
19 Grandmaster Editor First-Class Grandmaster Editor FC Ribbon.png Editorrib19.png Grandmaster Editor 1C.svg Editorrib19.svg N/A
20 Vanguard Editor Vanguard Editor Ribbon.png Editorrib20.png Vanguard Editor.svg Editorrib20.svg N/A
  • I'll adjust the sizes of the SVGs later tonight - I had read that 218x60 was optimal for making SVGs of ribbon bars, but it seems that Wikipedia ribbons are proportionately 20% taller than that. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 09:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
These look fine to me. Herostratus (talk) 13:58, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Mootros, Herostratus, and VMS Mosaic: I've updated the SVGs per the comments above. If these are acceptable to everyone, I will make the necessary adjustments to any templates and to the small ribbons so that they match the larger ribbons. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
  • @Mootros, Herostratus, and VMS Mosaic: Small ribbons are done. I've just noticed that the medal images for the first six levels will probably need updating if they are to remain visually similar to these new ribbon bars. I do not have the necessary graphics software to make those changes. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I'll deal with the change, as long as the old versions are retained so they can still be displayed, including by those who currently do so.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Wait, what? There's no need to retain the old versions. We just load the new images over the old ones, right? We don't want or need two or more versions of the same thing to be be extant, right? Herostratus (talk) 12:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Agree, no point in a parallel scheme. Everything will properly display as images are updated. Mootros (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Keep the "old" ones and allow editors the choice, or, maybe just "go back" to the original ones. Several editors did a good faith project here, but, for me at least, the new approach kind of lessens the fun of seeing these ribbons on user pages. The "older" ones come across to me as colorful, festive, and brighter. These new ribbons have a World War II look. Was this change on rfc, or other noticeboards? Thanks. Randy Kryn 02:08, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
@Randy Kryn: The only notices that I saw on any templates prompted discussion here, and not at any other noticeboards. There is no requirement for a formal RfC, so I began discussion here regarding the mismatch between the small and large ribbons. I saw that I was getting comments from editors who helped create this system years ago who supported the idea and liked the way I was designing the ribbons, so I took the ball and ran with it. If you wish to begin a formal RfC, I will gladly participate and abide by the results.
Regarding whether to display the old ribbons - that is of course one's own choice. There is a real-world history of being allowed to choose whether to display an award which was superseded or the new award, but once the recipient began displaying the new award, they were not allowed to display the old one. I have no problem if others choose to display the older awards. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 03:20, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for being late to the discussion, but I just noticed that this change was implemented, and I dislike it. The old color scheme looked better and differentiated each level, in addition to looking like "real" ribbons and not some computer-generated shapes that we now have. It would be nice if the templates for the awards included parameters that allows for the choice between the new and old designs, maybe with the new designs as the default. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 00:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

alignment within userbox (Userboxtop)[edit]

I've got my little ribbon at the top of my right-aligned userbox (using Template:Userboxtop) but I'd love to center-align the ribbon. Is there any way to do that please? Any help much appreciated. --Philologia (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I myself don't know much about that... maybe somebody else will. But if you go to the template, end edit source, you will see that the file is [[File:Journeyman Editor lv3.svg|120px]]. You can put that on your page instead of the template, and maybe play with that... but I don't know how. Herostratus (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
@Philologia Sæculārēs and Herostratus: I'm just a little late to this conversation, but {{Service awards}} has an alignment parameter, so you can set |align=center. I use it in my userbox. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 15:46, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Lord Gom, the Highest Togneme of the Encyclopedia QR code?[edit]

Is the image for Lord Gom, the Highest Togneme of the Encyclopedia supposed to be a valid QR code? I can't decode it. Or do you only get the ability to decode it once you reach that level? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@RoySmith: It is a valid QR code, but it is slightly squeezed horizontally (or stretched vertically) so your QR code reader might not be able to interpret it. If I remember correctly, it brings you to the Main Page. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 15:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Tutnam image and caption[edit]

Small thing, but why is there mention of a cigarette burn on the image of Tutnam? We should all be anti-smoking here, and it's annoying to see smoking acknowledged as part of being a veteran editor. The caption would be adequate if it just said: "This editor is a Tutnum of the Encyclopedia and is entitled to display this Book of Knowledge." --Zefr (talk) 21:30, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh, for GOD'S SAKE! EEng 23:50, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
@Zefr: You aren't required to display any specific image, so if it offends you, then don't display it. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 09:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia awards CONLEVEL discussion[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards#Barnstar bureaucracy
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