User talk:Brieaustin

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Proposed deletion of Karen desoto

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Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.

Nomination of Karen DeSoto for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Karen DeSoto is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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May 2015

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Bart Rossi. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. bonadea contributions talk 10:32, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

bonadea Please provide what information you're referring to on Bart Rossi's page as promotional and I will remove it.

Brieaustin (talk) 16:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)brieaustin

Don't worry about it - I edited the page to be more neutral in tone and I don't think there's any problem with it now. However, I notice that you have added a date of birth, but there is no source for that - could you add the source for your information to the article? Thanks! --bonadea contributions talk 18:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

bonadea My source was him; I asked him, he's a friend of a friend, so I emailed and asked him. If its a problem I'll take it off. Meanwhile I'd still like to know what was considered promotional so I don't repeat the error again on this some other profile.

Brieaustin

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I referenced everything for the Karen Desoto page; NBC with a link where THEY list her as their legal analyst, and again a link to City University of New Jersey where THEY list her as an active professor there. I linked within Wiki to all pages I could find, and provided third party links as well to over 10 on-air appearances she has made regarding top legal cases in the news. What am I doing wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brieaustin (talk • contribs) 16:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

According to the discussion where it was decided that the article should be deleted, people had concerns about the professor's notability; that is to say, they couldn't find enough reliable sources that talked about her in significant detail. The first person who voted in the discussion said that the professor fails GNG. By this, she meant that the professor doesn't meet the guideline named GNG, which pretty much explains why all 3 of these users felt that the professor didn't merit an article at this time. APerson (talk!) 19:03, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The other relevant guideline is this one, about notability for academics. Being a professor is not in itself notable, unless the person holds an endowed chair or similar, and being a legal analyst for NBC is also not in itself notable, unless there are independent sources discussing her as an analyst. I'm sorry, but it simply doesn't look as if the person is currently notable according to Wikipedia's very specific criteria for notability. Most academics aren't notable, as a matter of fact. --bonadea contributions talk 19:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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When you say "independent sources discussing her as an analyst." What does that mean? We say she is an on-air legal analyst for NBC et al, and then link to NBC News, MSNBC, and The TODAY Show where she appears on those shows to discuss legal issues and they identify her as legal analyst, or a former prosecutor, former defense counsel, lawyer etc., when appropriate. The fact that she appears to discuss legal implications makes her de facto an on-air legal analyst. Please help me understand what I am missing here. Are you saying I haven't substantiated her role as a legal analyst, or Wiki doesn't consider her worthy of listing?

In reference to listing Karen as a professor of law at New Jersey City University, she is currently an active visiting professor according to the University itself, which I used as a reference. So again I am totally at a loss. We never said she was famous academic, she received a doctorate from Temple and is an active professor; it's just part of her resume. Is there a particular thing I could remove that would make the profile acceptable?

How is the profile of Nadia Almada -- who you have allowed on Wiki more "notable"? There are hundreds (or thousands) of people listed on Wiki that most people never heard of. So what is so different with Karen? She's been singled out as one of the top 50 most influential political people in her county, been Attorney of the Year, won Humanitarian awards, been nominated by the governor of the state as a trustee, was the first woman, the first Hispanic and the youngest person to ever hold the office of Corporate Counsel for the city of Jersey City, the second largest city in New Jersey. appointed by the late mayor and then senator Glenn D. Cunningham.

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Мандичка In regard to the deletion of the Karen Desoto page ... When you say "independent sources discussing her as an analyst." What does that mean? We say she is an on-air legal analyst for NBC et al, and then link to NBC News, MSNBC, and The TODAY Show where she appears on those shows to discuss legal issues and they identify her as legal analyst, or a former prosecutor, former defense counsel, lawyer etc., when appropriate. The fact that she appears to discuss legal implications in the news on national television on a regular basis makes her de facto an on-air legal analyst. Please help me understand what I am missing here. Are you saying I haven't substantiated her role as a legal analyst, or Wiki doesn't consider worthy of listing?

In reference to listing Karen Desoto as a professor of law at New Jersey City University, she is currently an active visiting professor according to the University itself, which I used as a reference. So again I am totally at a loss. We never said she was famous academic, she received a doctorate from Temple and is an active professor; it's just part of her resume. Is there a particular thing I could remove that would make the profile acceptable?

How is the profile of Nadia Almada -- who you have allowed on Wiki more "notable"? There are hundreds (or thousands) of people listed on Wiki that most people never heard of. So what is so different with Karen? She's been singled out as one of the top 50 most influential people in her county, been Attorney of the Year, won Humanitarian awards, nominated by the governor of the state of New Jersey as a trustee, and one and on. It's a pretty impressive resume.

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When you say "independent sources discussing her as an analyst." What does that mean? We say she is an on-air legal analyst for NBC et al, and then link to NBC News, MSNBC, and The TODAY Show where she appears on those shows to discuss legal issues and they identify her as legal analyst, or a former prosecutor, former defense counsel, lawyer etc., when appropriate. The fact that she appears to discuss legal implications makes her de facto an on-air legal analyst. Please help me understand what I am missing here. Are you saying I haven't substantiated her role as a legal analyst, or Wiki doesn't consider worthy of listing?

In reference to listing Karen as a professor of law at New Jersey City University, she is currently an active visiting professor according to the University itself, which I used as a reference. So again I am totally at a loss. We never said she was famous academic, she received a doctorate from Temple and is an active professor; it's just part of her resume. Is there a particular thing I could remove that would make the profile acceptable?

How is the profile of Nadia Almada -- who you have allowed on Wiki more "notable"? There are hundreds (or thousands) of people listed on Wiki that most people never heard of. So what is so different with Karen? She's been singled out as one fo the top 50 most influential people in her county, been Attorney of the Year, won Humanitarian awards, nominated by the governor of the state as a trustee, and one and on. It's pretty impressive resume.

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The pages you create on "Karen DeSoto" keep being deleted because a articles for deletion discussion determined that she was not notable enough to merit a Wikipedia page. If you want to create a new version of her biography with more independent sources to establish notability, you should use the articles for creation process so that an independent editor can verify whether she meets the standard. Conifer (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Karen desoto

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A tag has been placed on Karen desoto, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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Karen desoto Will the article be published if I remove all references as a professor of law? brieaustin

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