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BLP PROD

I've removed the BLP PROD tag you placed on Luang Yuthasastr Kosol, as he is not a living person and that tag only applies to living people. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Categories and drafts

Hello,
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Eagleash, thanks for the advice.

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You do excellent work?

I think Ashley Yoder ought to made she has fought in Invicta and fought Jusitne Kish and looks set to fight Angela Hill so I think making an Ashley Yoder article is a good idea. Dwanyewest (talk) 10:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar
I am honestly impressed with the amount of work you've put into the creation of MMA fighter articles. Your work is greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work. Ppt1973 (talk) 16:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

MMA Articles

First of all I have to say I like your work on the MMA fighters. Well written, well referenced and best of all they feel like there is a story to them in a good way. The one issue I do have is that many of the creations don't yet meet WP:NMMA which was hashed out over a long period of time and fight results and specially magazine refs don't necessarily contribute to WP:GNG. Does that mean I would take them to AfD? No - for the simple reason that the fighters you are putting up are currently fighting successfully in the UFC and therefore on their way to meeting the notability conditions. My general rule of thumb is that if there is one recent top tier win then let it ride and also I just hate AfDs created too quickly. There are some examples of new articles that will eventually go to AfD I am sure - especially those with a single reference.PRehse (talk) 07:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

With respect to Abdul-Kerim Edilov his reported return is still several months away and although predicted fr me time has been just that predictions. The speedy delete might still be declined but really just signing with the UFC is no guarantee he will actually fight. It is still very WP:CRYSTAL.PRehse (talk) 07:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

A page you started (Rob Wilkinson) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Rob Wilkinson, CASSIOPEIA!

Wikipedia editor Robertgombos just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Thanks! Great Article.

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Robert G. (talk) 14:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

List of ufc fighters

The order of the fighters is supposed to be by how long they've been a part of the UFC, not their record. This is why there is an option to sort by record, so the order doesn't have to be updated every time someone fights. If you could please revent the order of the fighters back to when they first joined the UFC, that would be much appreciated. Cheers! EvertonFC13(talk2me) 17:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

To editor Evertonfc13:, thanks for informing. corrected.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Reason for Darren Till revert

The reason I reverted your edit made on Darren Till's bio is that it had flaws. Nicknames don't belong in the first sentence where the article is introduced, so Darren "The Gorilla" Till. in that first paragraph would be incorrect. Secondly, where you put "Colin Heron - Head Coach" under the "teacher" is also incorrect. Look at Conor McGregor's infobox for proper styling for coaches.

Anyway, hope this explains why the revert was made. TBMNY (talk) 12:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017

Information icon Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to Enrique Barzola. I noticed that when you added the image to the infobox, you added it as a thumbnail. In the future, please do not use thumbnails when adding images to an infobox (see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE). What does this mean? Well in the infobox, when you specify the image you wish to use, instead of doing it like this:

|image=[[File:SomeImage.jpg|thumb|Some image caption]]

Instead just supply the name of the image. So in this case you can simply do:

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There will then be a separate parameter for the image caption such as |caption=Some image caption. Please note that this is a generic form message I am leaving on your page because you recently added a thumbnail to an infobox. The specific parameters for the image and caption may be different for the infobox you are using! Please consult the Template page for the infobox being used to see better documentation. Thanks! Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Zackmann08, thanks for the info.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

UFC 217 Results

Ok, if you are going by Sherdog's results then the Cody Garbrandt vs. TJ Dillashaw result should be changed to TKO and not KO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.17.220.229 (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi 78.17.220.229, Thank you for your comment above. Please note that the MMA results are recorded as per per Sherdog's web site, http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-217-Bisping-vs-St-Pierre-61989, according to Wikipedia MMA guideline. Please see below and you could visit WP:MMABOX, as I have indicated in the edit summary, for further information. Kindly sign by typing "4 x ~" at the end of your message next time. Thank you

  • In the column Method, unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result that is available in a fighter's record at Sherdog Fight Finder. Do not use your interpretation of a fight result in the record, as the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.Any result that is not referenced or that is not the same as in Sherdog, must be returned to how it is described in Sherdog.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


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@TonyBallioni: Thank you for granting the right and will assist in reviewing the new pages accordinglyCASSIOPEIA (talk) 20:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Poirier/Pettis result

[1] [2] [3] [4]

I contacted the DPOR (the Virginia commission) and they sent me the result sheet for the event: https://dbr.ee/N3dz

In WP:MMABOX, it says " unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise" which all the Wikipedia pages involving the fight have. This is settled. TBMNY (talk) 21:07, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

@TBMNY: Thank you for your comment. Let us find out what other Wikipedia community opinions as in the case (example here) if on source states TKO and the other source stated KO and Sherdog stated KO (doctor stoppage), which method should be recorded under the MMA fight record. It would good to know.CASSIOPEIA (talk)
@CASSIOPEIA: Huh? Are you confused about what I'm talking about? TBMNY (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
@TBMNY:I am not confused. I stated in the case (if) sources stated slight different methods. I am not talking Poirier/Pettis case here. Please see Project MMA talk page if you want to join the discussionCASSIOPEIA (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Sources

Hey man, how are you? I'd like to say thanks for helping with the mma articles but there's an issue I'd like to talk about. When it comes to adding a source in an article, you always add it in different style than the rest of the article. Could you pick a source from the same article and just paste the info on it so we can have a pattern for the sources? Thanks. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@Gsfelipe94: Thanks for asking and the lady is well here; believe you are doing the same in Brazil. I always cited the source using Visual editor WP:REFTOOLS and I dont quite understand what you meant by "diff style than the rest of the article". Kindly help to explain further. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I somehow assumed by your username that you were male. Anyway, what I meant is that the type of script you use for sources is different than the rest of the other ones. When you want to add an info to an article, pick a source there and just paste info on it as you do it. It makes all of them look similar. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 04:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
@Gsfelipe94: I am not offended by you had mistaken me as a male as I believe there are not many active female contributors edit the MMA pages in Wikipedia. It is all good. Thank you for explaining, however, I still dont understand what you meant by "type of script". Kindly provide example and explain further. As I said above, I use Visual editor WP:REFTOOLS to cite the source by copy and paste the webpage URL of the source into the into the "automatic URL" of Visual editor tool window. The tool will automatically generated the info (the script) within the <ref> script <ref>. 05:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
When I update an article, I go directly to it and just copy an old source there and paste the info from the source I'm adding. The method you use make the sources look different than the rest when you take a look at the "References" section. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:36, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
@Gsfelipe94:, I believe you cite manually by copy and paste technique. The tool I used part of Wikipedia automation tool which is well under Wikipedia policy of use, but so it show a little change of format as compared that of yours/manually. You are welcome to change my citing ifyou want the citing format looks uniform in a page. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 17:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Mr. Rossi's Dreams

Hi CASSIOPEIA, don't delete the page of Mr. Rossi's Dreams because is not a biographies of living persons, but it's a animated movie of 1977. Thanks. ML8 (ML8) 20:52, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

@ML8:, Removed. Kindly provide source for the page. Thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Emmanuel Iduma

Hey! The page you flagged is still being developed. There was a loose segment copied from a website which was present on the page when it was initially saved. It wasn't meant to be part of the completed page. It has now been removed. Please remove the speedy delete code so I can finish developing the page.Igwatala (talk) 11:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Igwata:Removed. Please provide source and I will check the article again. Happy editing.CASSIOPEIA (talk)

notability of Nicco Montaño

Hi there, this in regards to the tag you placed on the article. You've been editing MMA articles for a while and so it's safe to assume you watch UFC? Either way, Montaño is a finalist on the most recent season of TUF and as such, she will be fighting for the inaugural UFC Women's Flyweight Championship. That alone should be grounds for notability and on top of that, it' s essentially a given that she'll have at least three fights with a top tier organization (UFC). If a title challenger in the top MMA organization is not notable, then there are serious flaws in the guidelines for MMA notability. Tagging User:Dimspace because they were the first to remove a notability tag from the article. Alexander Gustafsson (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Alexander Gustafsson: I have been watching UFC since UFC 93 in 2009. Montano is not qualified for MMA fighter nobility criteria in Wikipedia. Note: TUF / Dana Tuesday Night fight are not considered a UFC proper event, but they are fillers. When fighter make it to UFC flagship,UFC Fight Night event or UFC on Fox then that is considered a UFC event fight. To qualify wikipedia MMA nobility, a fighter needs to have 3 fights with top tier promoters, UFC and Invicta. Please read WP:MMABIO and WP:MMATIER. The article such as Montano is usually to be proposed for deletion by Wikipedia MMA administrator. There have been many discussions on proposing change of fighters nobility in Wikipedia, you would check them out on Wikipedia MMA project page. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
You listed only one of the criterion for a notable MMA fighter. The other is if a fighter has fought for a top level championship in a top tier organization. And Montano is about to do so in 96 hours. So the tag is silly. Alexander Gustafsson (talk) 21:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@Alexander Gustafsson:, when it has happened than it could be removed. As you know in MMA world anything could happen as it always has and that is the reason why it is tag such and not propose for deletion.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 04:29, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
A week out from the fight,. All the promo is being done around her (as the first finalist confirmed), so even if she was to suddenly fall ill on the day of the fight its close enough to the fight that all the major MMA media sites recognise her as a competitor, and all the stats sites tapology, sherdog etc would record her on teh card. Dimspace (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
@Dimspace:, Please read WP:MMABIO and WP:MMATIER. Some MMA fighter articles are tag as such when MMA nobility has not been met and will remained so until it is met.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

stub tags

Thanks for your edits. Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article which already has a specific stub tag, as you did in this edit. I also don't think there's much point in saying "lead missing" for a three-sentence article, especially one which has an excellent lead sentence of "Will Jones (born 3 December 1998) is a Welsh rugby union player ...". Happy Editing! PamD 19:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@PamD: Thank you for informing, I didnt see the stub tag at the end of the article.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 19:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
While you're curating pages, something else it's very useful to do is to check whether an article with a disambiguation is linked from the undisambiguated title - in this case I added the necessary entry at the Will Jones disambiguation page, as it's something I usually check for while stub-sorting. Sometimes it will be hatnote which is needed, or in other cases a new disambiguation page to be created. The editor who created the page should have sorted out this navigational stuff, but they often don't so it's a very useful addition to the page curation process. PamD 19:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@PamD: Thank you for the pointer. Have taken note and appreciate it. Does Wikipedia has a policy/guideline on when a hatnote is needed instead of entry on disambiguation page. My understanding is that if a hatnote is placed, an entry in disam should be listed. Kindly advise and thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
If you are creating or curating John Xyz (artist) and there is only the one "John Xyz" article, for a politician, and you are happy to leave the politician as the "WP:Primary topic", then just add a hatnote to that latter page using {{about|the politician|the artist|John Xyz (artist)}} or similar. A dab page shouldn't be created if there are only the two articles, one at the base name (the Primary Topic) and one with disambiguation.
If you believe that (a) your new man should be the primary topic, or (b) neither of them should be, then things get more complicated and you will need to move the original article (which will need a WP:RM in some cases), and be sure to update its incoming links, before (a) moving the new article or (b) creating a dab page.
If there is already a hatnote there, because there are now three different John Xyz articles, you could create a dab page (and add {{other uses}} to the primary topic page to direct readers to it) or make a more complex hatnote.
If you discover, on investigation, that there is already a John Xyz (guitarist) not currently linked from John Xyz, then again you could either make a longer hatnote ({{about|the politician|the artist|John Xyz (artist)|the rock musician|John Xyz (guitarist)}} - that's why I prefer {{about}} rather than {{for}}: you can expand it easily) or create a dab page.
Lots of options, but I think that navigation tools like this are a really important part of helping readers find the article they need - and also helping prevent enthusiastic future editors from creating duplicate articles, perhaps in this case at John Xyz (painter). I hope that all makes sense - ask again if not! PamD 22:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@PamD: Thank you very much for the above explanation. Do you able to direct me to articles, with similar name but different person as your examples (except moving the page) above where hatnotes have placed on the articles and dab page has been created, for my perusal how things are set in actual scenario. Once again, thank you for taking the time for the above advice.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 05:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Atlantic306. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Metview, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Atlantic306 (talk) 13:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: Thank you for informing. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello CASSIOPEIA. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of 1968 IV FIBA International Christmas Tournament, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not created by a banned user, or the page does not violate the user's ban. Thank you. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: Thank you for informing and understand the reason.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 12:10, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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" Please note that position of the fighters in the table is accordingly to to the date/month/year they competed/debut in UFC. Please do not change the fighter position with a valid reason."

I'm curious why you would try to tell me this when the 2nd paragraph of the article says the fighters are ordered by record, with most wins being first, then alphabetically if the fighters have the same record.

Nickosmma (talk) 12:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nickosmma: Thank you for bring that note to me. Appreciate it. This list was recreated in 2010 and it has gone through some changes. The table now is sortable and calculation by points with the combination of the total fight results of win, loss, draw. I will reword note 3. To say that, some of the fighters placing/position in the table, I suspect it might not be 100% correct. There are may be 400-500 fighters in the list and I have not checked if they are all in order. If you want help up to check and edit, kindly work one weight devison one at a time as the list is very long and big changes is very diff to track where the changes as the history "diff" could not show enough lines to determine which fighter info has been change and where the position have moved to. Please note fighters fought under UFC, Strikeforce and WEC are under WMG-IMG record. Do check the page [5], as according to the Bloody Elbow article Zane Simon was the former minder Wiki current UFC fighter list article. I have run through the list in Bloody and compared to the current list in Wiki (fighter position), they are very similar (90%+) but not 100%. Once again, thank you for your contribution and let me know if you would work the checking.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
@Nickosmma: In addition, if you want to check and change the fighters record as per Sherdog web site (all fights in WEC, Strikeforce and UFC), please also change the calculation (example ntsh|9.53) . Please go to Talk:List of current UFC fighters and at the bottom there are the formulas for the calculation. Pls ping me if you need further assistance. CASSIOPEIA (talk)
@Nickosmma: I saw your edit on note 3. Please note Zuffa brought WEC and Strikefore and in turn WME-IMG brought Zuffa. So "UFC" fighter debut record is the first professional appearance of WEC /Strikeforce / UFC whichever the "earliest date" underthe three promotions. Thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 15:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

UFC 221

Hi CASSIOPEIA. I was looking through your contributions, and I noticed that you broke the three-revert rule on the UFC 221 article. I’m somewhat disappointed because a significant part of what we’ve been working on in CVUA is recognizing the difference between vandalism and good faith edits, and part of the reading that you should have been aware of is the three-revert rule. You should be aware that you are in significant danger of being blocked if you make more than three reverts of any part of another editor’s edits within a 24 hour time period. Once it is clear that you disagree with another editor who is editing in good faith, you should stop reverting, even if you think you are right, and start discussing. Please keep this in mind in the future.

(For what it’s worth, WP:BALL prohibits speculation on the part of Wikipedia contributors, but it does not prohibit Wikipedia contributors from reporting on the speculation of reliable sources.) Mz7 (talk) 10:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Mz7:, I had noticed I did yesterday for I stopped after that. Thanks for informing and reminding.

CASSIOPEIA (talk) 11:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Mz7:, Thank you for the explanation as I stand corrected and have apologied to the involved editors. Thanks again.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Where is the copy? I've sent the e-mail to the author of the sentence before - it's the phrasing of the (part) of the second paragraph or so. Maybe he would like to extend the phrase himself. Also just for you, if that would be the case, I would prefer you to be able to place the original text, where it originally was.--Pavel Fric (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Pavel Fric:, Hi, Thank you for your question. I include here @Primefac: who is the admin that deleted Valentina (software) where I tagged the copyright violation of the page. I believe only admin could view deleted page according to "Wikipedia:Viewing of deleted articles by non-administrators" and kindly correct me Primefac if my understanding is wrong. Pavel Fric, if you would like to recreate the page again, please read WP:RPDA prior recreating the article. Thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 06:32, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Also please send me the wording of last paragraph of the deleted article, where I am surely the author. I would like to re-use it.--Pavel Fric (talk) 16:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 Done. Primefac (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Received. Thanks.--Pavel Fric (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Page Review Request!

Hi CASSIOPEIA,

I hope you are well and that I am posting in the right spot. I found your username on an MMA article I was editing and I thought you might be able to help with another article, a notable musician article that I created. There seems to be a very severe backlog on drafts and the period for acceptance of new articles could be many months long so I thought that I could perhaps ask for you to review this draft and push it through if you think it is up to standard. I believe it is written neutrally and well referenced and several other Wikipedians have already made changes to the draft since I created it so the community has helped to better it, as well. I would appreciate your assistance in removing it from drafts and putting it into the article space, if possible. Here is a link to the draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ian_Erix Thank you kindly in advance for any help you can give. Best, Stefan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruinsects (talkcontribs) 07:49, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bruinsects:, First of all, welcome to Wikipedia. We have a huge backlog in New Page review at the moment and many of us the reviewers are trying to clear it to a manageable level. I noticed that you have also requested User:Abisheto review Draft:Ian Erix, as such, I will leave it to Ian Erix should he/she would like to work on the review as I am a new page reviewer but not belong to the AFC group for such, I am unable to help. As you mentioned you have edited a MMA page; however, I could not find that edit in the list of your contributions. By the way, please read the links here to familiar yourself with Wikipedia policies on editing BLP articles (please click) WP:BLPGOSSIP, WP:AVOIDVICTIM and WP:PUBLICFIGURE as your edits on Taylor Swift and Russell Simmons were reverted by other editors. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:13, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
@CASSIOPEIA:Thanks for the tips, I was surprised to see my edits on Taylor Swift and Russel Simmons reverted as I thought it was more than gossip since they have been widely reported in many news sources but I am just learning Wiki ropes so I will be sure to more closely go over the instructions at WP:BLPGOSSIP, WP:AVOIDVICTIM and WP:PUBLICFIGURE . I was editing MMA anonymously for some time as that was my primary interest before University but now I decided to make a bigger contribution if I can. I look forward to getting to know the rules and regulations here better. I am sorry but I don't know what AFC group is and I didn't hear back from User:Abishe yet. Is there anyone else you can advise me to reach out to in order to help speed the review process up since the backlog for new pages is so huge? Thanks, Stefan Bruinsects (talk) 10:24, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
@Bruinsects:Good day. User:Abishe had already replied you at your talk page User talk:Bruinsects and you have sent a second message to him/her. Wikipedia:AFC is where you create your article (in this case Draft:Ian Erix)and submission for review. You could send your message to Wikipedia:Teahouse and someone will answer your questions. The welcome message on your talk page provided many useful and helpful links to topics which would off you interest to learn about Wikipedia. Thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 10:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Warning re Myth of the flat Earth ‎

Hi!

Please review the edit history at Myth of the flat Earth. You reverted my rollback of obvious vandalism and then warned me. Please remove your warning from my talk page. Sjö (talk) 15:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sjö: I would like to apology for revert the wrong history "diff" and tag on your talk page as I had re-looked on the history on Hunggle and noticed the mistake. I guess I look at the wrong version of history on Hunggle and revert on the latest on the page which is not your version. My apologizes and thank for bring up to my attention.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Cassiopeia. I was just looking at Myth of the flat Earth, and starting to wonder why you weren't blocked yet. (OMG) Okay, mistakes happen, I've done the same thing. But as a warning to anyone else that sees that history I wonder if it might be a good idea to do a null edit there with an edit summary that it was a misunderstanding. I'm not meaning to suggest it should be done, just whether it would be a good idea. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 00:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
@J. Johnson: I am working in Counter Vandalism Program here. I deleted the tag on @Sjö: talk page before he/she wrote me this message above. While I was writing a apology message to Sjö (see Myth of the flat Earth revert edit and Sjö's talk page and the time it was written), Sjö sent me the message above. We the counter vandalism editors at times might do the mistakes as Sjö, you and I did (and I have done what I could to correct/revert the mistake and appologies at instance), and if this would amount us to be blocked then do what you may for I would not refute. As for the null edit with an edit summary, I include here @Mz7: as he/she would know better and would able be able to advise further.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 04:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Cassiopeia apologized and removed the warning from my talk page, and I'm satisfied with that. I have made similar mistakes myself, and it's very likely to happen if you're a high-volume vandalism fighter. Sjö (talk) 08:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Please don't take my comment as any kind of criticism! I, also, am quite satisfied with Cassiopeia's actions. But, having made the same kind of misstep myself, and no guarantee not doing it again, I was wondering as to what an editor might do (such as an explanatory null edit) so that passers-by won't take alarm. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

New Years new page backlog drive

Hello Cassiopeia, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!

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  • The total number of reviews completed for the month.
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Carls John De Tomas

I moved this fighter to the released section because UFC said he was no longer in contract when they confirmed his suspension. It's on MMAJunkie.com's link. Happy new year, bro! Dimitar Malamov (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@WWE Y ECW:Hi Dimitar, Thank you for informing and assisting. Appreciate it. Do leave a brief edit summary would help so we know the reason of the edit :). Happy new year Dimitar.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 05:03, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Tapology / Sherdog

I have noticed many fighter records are not updated on sherdog in a timely manner, have you considered using other sites like tapology? Jahannum (talk) 09:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jahannum: Greeting to you and thank you for your question. The consensus as per WP:MMA is to use Sherdog as the based reference. I do occasionally use Tapology should the info is not in available in Sherdog in the fighter infobox in an article; however, it is hard to say which one is more updated as sometimes we do not know the which info (Sherdog vs Tapology) is the newest such as (1) when a fighter has switched camp/gym or they are still attached to multiple gym/association (2) a fighter has recently moved to new city for he/she would "fight out" from there and etc. When I use Tapology / UFC info on the infobox/body content, I cite the reference/source so readers would know the info is not based on Sherdog. Have a wonderful and happy new year ahead Jahannum.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 10:58, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Double nomination for the deletion

Please check Vivek Gopan, I also nominated it for the deletion. Looks like we have now double deletion process :) Sorry, if I did something wrong, I used TW for nomination. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 10:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC) @Bbarmadillo:, Hi, thanks for informing. The current deletion is under your nomination. Since it has been dominated PROD (by me) and deleted, what could be done is to self delete your tag by go to history to restore the previous editor, stating editor remove own edit, and re-tag with (1) "criteria speedy deletion" (CDS) or (2) "article for delete" (AfD) using TW and stated the reasons of the nomination. A page has been PROD (propose for deletion) can not be PROD again as PROD can only use once. See WP:PRODNOM. Thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh my, it is too complicated for me. I guess the current process can work just fine :) -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 13:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
@Bbarmadillo: Hi, the current proceed can not work as it has PROD twice (from me and you). Just to go to the page click history with the last two edits tick (yours and previous edit prior to yours) and click "restore to this version" and state "editor delete own edit" then go back to the page and re-tag either (1) CDS or (2) PORD using TW. Let me know if you need further help. (note: I cant do it for you as you need to self delete your own tag in this occasion). Than you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Mama Na Boy tv commercial

Hello, Thanks for your comment. Mama Na Boy tv commercial went viral in Nigeria because it portrayed Male Preference in Nigeria or gender sensitivity issues. This why I created you. Let's improve instead of deletion. Thanks Kabusa16 (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kabusa16:, The youtube link you provided hits 4.2k views, and the other I found "Love Lounge-ama Na boy" has 1.5k view, the numbers might be too small to consider going viral. I dont think it meet WP:GNG and it subject needs to gain significant independent coverage or recognition see WP:NRV, and that this was not a mere short-term interest. The "Pulse.Ng" reference is a site for movies, celebrities, music, lifestyle and events not a major newspaper, the "Streetdirecory.com" referece is an opinion source and "nairaland" reference is a forum site. I have done a search, no much major coverage at this time, may be WP:TOOSOON.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk)

Hello, From your explanation and the links that you provided. I have learnt a lot too. Thanks. I strongly believe that you are correct. The TV advert commercial was viral on TV but does not have sufficient coverage on Newspapers. What do we do at this time. Please adviseKabusa16 (talk) 16:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kabusa16:, Hi, the tag as been removed as stated by the editor that it might related to Nigeria "badger badger badger", which I am not familiar. For the mean time, the let's other reviewers work on it and see what they could find. Do note that criteria to recreate an acceptable article is that the subject/topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to serve stand alone article in Wikipedia. Do have a look at WP:N subject as it might serve your interest and find another topic/subject matter to write again. Thank you for your contribution.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you so much. I have learnt a lot from this conversation. I am so passionate to create notable articles on Wikipedia, because during my days in the University, Wikipedia was really helpful. Hence, contributing to Wikipedia is a way to give back. Please do you mind reviewing this new page I created today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/END_SARS . Let me know what is right or wrong. Kabusa16 (talk) 18:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kabusa16:, Hi, Your article has been reviewed by other New Page Patroller and I have tagged (1) for linking see [ WP:MOSLINK]] and (2) adding categories WP:CAT which you can work on it or other editor would help if they are interested to do so. When starting /replying a message on talk page do place an indentation by placing colon (:) at the beginning of a line and add on the colon on next message. You might want to check out Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk pages for further details. Thank you for your contribution. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Rollback granted

Hi CASSIOPEIA. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

  • Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
  • Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
  • Rollback should never be used to edit war.
  • If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
  • Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! TonyBallioni (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Chiara Fiorini

Hello CASSIOPEIA. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Chiara Fiorini, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Subject might be important/significant (see also Google News/Books hits for this subject) / use WP:PROD or WP:AFD instead to allow other editors to participate in this decision. Thank you. SoWhy 13:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Thanks for informing. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

9 January 2018 - Benzino

Moved from User:CASSIOPEIA
 – This message was originally misplaced. I've moved it here from the user page. Mz7 (talk) 04:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Cassiopeia, pleasure to meet you. I understand that you did not see my contributions to the Benzino information page as being accurate. The ones in with the internet address being 184.90.236.63, that is me, except that I was not logged in my account when I was making these changes. The three contributions I have added were valid. The following links prove my point:

http://musicblissinterviews.wixsite.com/music-bliss/benzino

The above is an official interview with Benzino, very detailed

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=170363098

This is Benzino's mother, who passed in 2014, the same time he was shot in Boston. Where it says Raymond Scott, that's Benzino.

https://www.discogs.com/Wiseguys-In-Tha-Company-Of-Killaz/release/1650728 Also, this is one of the albums that Benzino was featured on but was the spearhead for the project.

Please consider my contributions to be valid. Have a happy and prosperous new year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tejsodhi (talkcontribs) 01:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@Tejsodhi: Hi, Thank your for informing the sources as provided above. I have restored one of the edits have cited the source in the page. but not the [6] edit which provided as I dont see where it indicated the reference as claimed in the previous edit. You could add it in when you find a reference directly support that and kindly cite the source in the article. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 11:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Academy Graduation

CVU Academy Graduate
On behalf of the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy, congratulations! You have successfully completed all assignments and have now graduated from the Academy. You completed your final exam with a score of 97% – well done! Further information on your achievement can be found here.
It's been a real pleasure to work with you over the past few weeks. I hope you gained something from this course, and as always, if you have any questions, you know where to find me. Best of luck, and thank you so much for your willingness to help Wikipedia in this role. Mz7 (talk) 04:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

thanks for correcting the mistake. i accidently edited it and couldn't find where it was. nice job SREERAM MADHAVAN V (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Templated the wrong individual

Cassiopeia you just reverted an edit of mine claiming it was vandalism and then you sent me a templated warning. I removed my child had to go to therapy a after reading this I love this book because it was so awesome that is the only change I made. I believe you reverted and warned the wrong individual and with your revert you added bad information back in. --VVikingTalkEdits 14:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I will admit I missed part of the Vandalism that had taken place. --VVikingTalkEdits 14:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@Viewmont Viking: Hi I have relooked and understand your point. Please revert back my message in your talk page as I will delete it, for you had deleted it might not be that good idea as I might mistaken by others thinking of other reason.I will revert the message once you have done it. Apologies for the inconvenience and my quick action just now. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
No Problem I have reverted my talk page. We all make errors sometimes and act hastily --VVikingTalkEdits 14:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
@Viewmont Viking: Ok and once again my apologies for the inconvenience of my quick action. Thank you for your understanding. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 14:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Lovelytheband

Hello CASSIOPEIA. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Lovelytheband, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Being signed to a notable label indicates importance/significance (WP:CCSI#SINGER, WP:CCSI#BAND). Thank you. SoWhy 13:57, 11 January 2018 (UTC) @SoWhy: Thank you for informing.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Cassiopeia, there are several things wrong with this and this.

  1. I did explain my edit in a summary, so both your edit summary and the warning message contained lies.
  2. Rollback should only be used for reverting vandalism, which my edit obviously was not. You were told that when granted rollback just last week.
  3. You reinstated a WP:PROD template after it had been removed. This defies policy.
  4. You reverted me after just a few seconds, meaning that you couldn't possibly have checked the above beforehand.

86.17.222.157 (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@86.17.222.157:Greetings to you. did the revert as large contain is removed ad Huggle placed the message as predefined as I have miss the summary edit message. It is true the PORD should not be added after it has removed and I apologies for my actions. We counter vandalism fighters do huge amount of edits as time we would have done some mistakes. If you look the above message, the editor is also a vandalism fighter and I revert his edit as he left out a vandalism content (done by other vandalized editor). It happens. You changed it to a ambiguous page, wonder you might want to have a discussion with other editors to see a AfD or change to a list page instead. I am not suggesting yours decision has no merit as it is just merely suggestion. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 16:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, but that is not a satisfactory reply. Of course we all make mistakes, but the thing to do is to learn from them so as not to repeat them rather than just say that "it happens". Within a few edits of replying here you were making the same false accusations of vandalism as reported in the section below. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 17:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
@86.17.222.157: Greetings, I have apologized and sorry to learn that you are not satisfied. As a volunteer, thousands right works go unappreciated and angered some if not, yet every mistake would be apparent. Most of us do mistakes in quick actions, especially stare on the screen looking at the texts for hours and hours, and maybe few of us have never done a mistake and I am not one of them. Rest I should take as it is early in the morning here. You have a good day. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
The problem is precisely that you are going far too fast. Please slow down and take the time to ensure that you don't keep making such false accusations of vandalism. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Outline of Wikipedia

Please pay attention to what you're reverting, thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

respected cassiopeia, I recently visited Bahraich and saw the Wall of Kindness. I was so much touched by the idea that i want to spread its knowledge to a large number of people. So i shared through wikipedia. I was in a public vehicle. So, I could not notice the source. I request you to add that section. please do not remove it. Prateeksha D (talk) 14:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Prateeksha D:, Thank you for your interested to adding content into Wikipedia. I understand you motivation to add the info (The Wall of Kindness) to Bahraich page, however, any content added/edited in Wikipedia need to be based on a independent reliable source/reference for verification. I have checked on the net (ENG) and cant find any source to support your claim. You might want to check if you would find the reference in Indian's newspaper which would support directly your claim. Any reference in any languge could be used as reference/source as long as the reference is added with incline citation. To understand what is a reliable independent source is please visit (click here) WP:SOURCE, WP:NOTRELIABLE and WP:INCITE. Thanks again for your contribution. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 15:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


Alex Kinchen - Contested deletion

   CJE&M
   DIA TV : 521 Teheran-ro,
   Samseong 1 (il)-dong, Gangnam-gu,
   Seoul , 9th floor
   Gangnam-gu Seoul 06164
   SOUTH KOREA


   Main Headquarters
   CJ E&M Centre,
   66 Sangam-dong,
   Mapo-gu, Seoul,
   South Korea'


To: Mr.CASSIOPEIA

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because...It is currently under construction and is a real creditable article about a popular Youtube and CJE&M DIA TV visual artist. Please look up the supporting links and references. You may contact CJE&M. DIA TV is a special online creator content available on TVING South Korea cable platform. link : http://www.cjenm.com/business/mediaContent/diatv. DIA TV Wikipedia page is currently under construction : https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIA_TV. NO. 1 CONTENT CREATION & MARKETING COMPANY As the largest content provider in Korea with specialized broadcasting channels for different genres, CJ E&M's Media Content Division provides content optimized for diversified platforms. In addition, the creative digital content of DIA TV, Asia's largest MCN operator, and high-quality drama content from STUDIO DRAGON are entertaining customers with emotional impact. Through digital platform TVING, people can watch all of CJ E&M's content anytime and anywhere. South Korea's leading content and media company CJ E&M launched a new project supporting YouTube video creators to help them advance to the global market. The company said it will expand its two-year-old Multi-Channel Network (MCN) service under the rechristened brand name, DIA TV. CJE&M will broadcast programs for introducing Korean creators on its global cable TV service "TVN Asia" available in 10 Southeast Asian regions such as Hong Kong ,Singapore ,Malaysia , Indonesia ,Taiwan ,Philippines ,Cambodia and Myanmar , South Korea and Japan.

If you have anymore questions please contact my entertainment attorney : Kim Jung-soo Kenji http://www.cjenm.com/main

Please reconsider! ) --Kenjimayo (talk) 13:25, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Kenjimayo: To contest the AfD of the article, pls go to (click here) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Kinchen. Please do not remove the AfD tag in the article again. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 17:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


Manish Kadam

Dear Sir,

I am yet make changes in the page 'Manish Kadam'. He was Indian Army officer who died when doing his duties. People should know about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atulbamne (talkcontribs) 09:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Atulbamne:, Hi, I understand your motivation and sentiment. Please note that content in Wikipedia needs to be directly supported by independent reliable source with inline citations for verification and page created needs to meet the Wikipedia nobility guidelines. There is no source to be found in the article and I have check on the net (ENG) and could not find any source to support so. To read more about Wikipedia nobility - see here WP:N; for Independence source - see here WP:SOURCE and for verification - see here WP:V. Once again thank you for your interested in contribution to Wikipedia and hope you will stay with us. 10:11, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I wanted to add this book to references, China on Stage, its connected and very recent. Geopolitics, geostrategics and geoeconomics in south china sea and you told me is not constructive????? ok read the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voittajan (talkcontribs) 01:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Voittajan:, Hi, You have deleted 7 source book info and added yours (1 source book info) in the Territorial disputes in the South China Sea, which was content removal without reason given, for such it is not constructive. Please read the welcome message where there are topics which would help you familiar yourself how to edit and citing source in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
OH, Ok Sorry for that, i will follow your advice. Sorry for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voittajan (talkcontribs) 05:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@Voittajan: Most of us learn from our mistakes, including I, as it requires certain Wikipedia info to edit in Wikipedia. You might want to look Wiki markup or Wikicode H:MARKUP to help you in editing H:EDIT. Lastly do sign off with ~~~~ prior sent the message to editor in the their user talk page. Once again, welcome to Wikipedia and we hope you would stay. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Not a good idea to restore standard warning message left on a user talk page

users may remove these. Removal is considered evidence that they read them. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 06:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Hi, Greeting. I do shared the same understanding as you on the above, I restore them as sometimes counter vandalism editor might not know it and do not check the diff on history page for such might not place the right warning level if they are not using TW or Hunggle but using the manual warning template code. Do share if there is something I might miss here. Thanks for sharing this with me. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 09:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree that that's possible, but it's still not a good idea as it can lead to edit warring and antagonism. Doug Weller talk 09:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
@Doug Weller:, Hi, Thanks for the viewpoint as I have never thought of it that the sentiment of other editor would see in this manner. Noted and thanks. Have a good day. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 10:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)