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Other Sources

This Buzzfeed piece has a lot of great information which I think can be integrated into this article. Also just worth a read if you're interested in Simone Biles.Knope7 (talk) 01:10, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This Time article also has some good details to integrate, specifically 1) flexibility is what held her back as a junior 2) her first senior event went poorly 3) talks about higher start values for her routines 4) stress of expectations 5) demeanor during practice. I think the article in general can use more details that provide a fuller picture of Biles outside of her placements and scores in competitions. Knope7 (talk) 00:09, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning of career

Can someone with who knows and understands gymnastics well please clarify what the article means by "began her career" in 2011? Was it the start of her career in elite competitions? Is there another name for the competition system she entered? I'm just looking for some detail that will clarify what counts as the start of a career because it sounds like she did some sort of competitions before that. Thank you! Knope7 (talk) 00:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Height

Team USA says 4 ft 8 in. Whatever number we use, should have a reliable source.

Her FIG license says she is 4'9" and current pictures (2018), she looks to be the same height as Morgan Hurd who is reported to be 4'10".

Picture

I know the new picture is more recent, but I think the previous picture was better. Any chance we could use the previous pic in the info on and maybe move the current pic to 2016? Knope7 (talk) 14:59, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, the previous picture File:Simone Biles at 2014 P&G Championship.jpg, was a non-free image used here against the non-free content criteria (namely replaceability by free media) and it will be deleted. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

schooling

When the article was very young, it said, with a reference, that she attended a particular high school; yet now it says she was home-schooled. It seems that some-thing isn't right. Kdammers (talk) 19:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

She was home schooled throughout high school. This is supported by multiple reliable sources and cited in the article. If you can find a reliable source which states the name of a school she attended previously, and the information is significant enough to the article, then it can be included. The name of her elementary school or middle school just may not be that important. Knope7 (talk) 19:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The citation that gave her as being in a school is to be found at http://web.archive.org/web/20130306071629/http://www.gym-style.com/simonebiles/about.htm . A few months later, that archive turned up the same site with changed content, saying she was home-schooled. That's all I know. Kdammers (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Someone please add...

Can someone who is able to edit the article please add the following sentence in the the 2016 Rio Olympics section?

Biles' performances were widely hailed as the greatest ever.^[1]

I just think that is a pretty important opinion to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.71.234 (talk) 05:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2016/08/gymnastics-new-juggernaut

Five Olympic Medals

Whomever is responsible for editing this Wikipedia pages, would they please double-check the facts on the comment made that Nastia Lukin and Shannon Miller are the only two other Americans to have won five Olympic medals at a Summer Olympic ceremony. The reason is because Mary Lou Retton did accomplish this feat as well, despite it being a boycotted Olympics by the Russians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8100:1895:F4A3:C422:8B60:EB7D (talk) 19:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! Anyone can edit Wikipedia. Currently it looks like this article is having a significant problem with people adding unsourced trivia. If Simone Biles is the third or fourth American gymnast to win five Olympic medals, that information should be sourced. If no sources have actually written about this, then it is probably not significant enough to include. Knope7 (talk) 00:28, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Medals

Please discuss the issue of which medals should be included here rather than continuing to revert the article. I know project gymnastics has a consensus on this, but if anyone would like to elaborate, please feel free to do so. Knope7 (talk) 00:24, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Knope7: I agree. I am sorry for starting an edit war. I have discussed this issue in my talk page with @Captainbryce1:, but his/her way of addressing the issue is very aggressive. There is a hidden warning on the source code of the article about Simone Biles informing not to add American Cup medals to the medal record, which Wikipedian Captainbryce1 ignored, and decided that his opinion is more important than what he calls "irrelevant subset of gymnastics fans". You can read it here. Since the medals can be mentioned on the article, I see no problem to keep these medals mentioned there, but the discussion on Project Gymnastics leads us to believe they should be removed from the medal record. This is what I ask for, and because of that wikipedian Captainbryce1 has accused me of being biased against Simone Biles, as if this was a matter of a personal hunch. Most wikipedians decided that medals earned at the World Cup series, which the American Cup is currently part of, should not be added to the medal record. In other sports, medals earned at multi-stage events are not included to the medal record either, such as Swimming and Diving, for example. We need input from other users on how to resolve this dispute here before taking this further to an administrator. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for commenting. Unless there is a compelling reason to add the American Cup medals, I'm fine complying with the Project Gymnastics consensus of excluding them. It seems fair to allow the American Cup outcomes to be integrated into the article elsewhere outside of info or navbox. I don't think the exclusion of the American Cup medals in anyway diminishes Simone's accomplishments. Knope7 (talk) 01:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The American Cup is not even entirely documented on Wikipedia. Not even the US Gymnastics federation offers a full list of medal winners. There is only one place I've found that lists all the medalists, but no one has created pages on Wikipedia for the events, except for the most recent ones. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 23:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Simone's four gold medals at Rio

The fact that Simone won four gold medals at Rio is a historical fact for the U.S. women's team and an exciting one. This edit: poor edit removed this edit without discussion and without providing rationale. I have restored it. There needs to be a discussion before it is removed arbitrarily again.ML (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doping accusations

This shouldn't be left out. Athletes from other countries are always prejudged. At least keep it consistent. --2.245.102.108 (talk) 00:44, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The hacking a release of her medical records does deserve a mention, however, it is not as you characterize it. Biles received advanced permission for a therapeutic use of the drug found in her system, per ABC News. Knope7 (talk) 02:02, 17 September 2016 (UTC).[reply]

she was given permission (in secret until it was leaked by hackers) to take substances that have resulted in bans for other athletes, due to adhd no less( see wikipedia article on adhd, other sources with even better scientific credibility,to see absurdity of this). only racist pro usa bias can explain non mention of that in the article . shame on wikipedia and its racist editors!

It's actually perfectly normal and common for atheletes to be granted permission to take certain otherwise unpermitted medications when they are needed to treat medical conditions. It's called Therapeutic Use Exemption and to call it doping is intentionally misleading. To call Wikipedia editors racist because of this issue is just plain stupid. Deli nk (talk) 10:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In artistic gymnastics Ritalin is a clear competitive advantage. It possibly doesn't matter at long distance running, but in artistic gymnastics it does. It is doping. It improves concentration and coordination. If you compare that incidence with the doping case of Yuliya Yefimova (unintentional usage of DHEA - similar to LaShawn Merritt: DHEA can be bought in USA without any prescription (even at Amazon.com), a doping effect for athlets has never been proved) and the boos and jeers Yefimova received from Lilly King and the press, it is a bit shocking. Nobody who is on Ritalin should be allowed to participate in artistic gymnastics at Olympic Games. It is a matter of fairness. A Therapeutic Use Exemption for Ritalin in artistic gymnastics is nothing else than a license to dope. --Lorenzondo (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are entitled to your opinion. That said, in order to characterize the use of prescribed medication, that was approved in advance, as "doping" would be a violation of several policies and guidelines on Wikipedia, unless you can find reliable sources to back up this claim. Because making such a claim would be controversial, I would suggest discussing any such sources here before adding them to the article. Please ping upon any reply due to watchlist overload. Etamni | ✉ | ✓ 08:37, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Etamni : like someone wrote on WADA, USA play well, but not fair. As mentioned here whether she need that in sport that also means abuse of performance-enhancing drugs. Was is state-sponsored or not, we know sport is money. Who follow sport, can easy say there is much more "ill persons" than in normal population, which needs some kind off medicals. Strange ?! Well, Lance Armstrong was also State-of-art cycler...till that day on Oprah show. Dr. Fuentes case in known in cycling very well. We have now case of Simone Biles for voting as Feautered photo, due to my comment that she is doped, new admin which is participating there few months gave me block (was he from USA or nor i dont know). Anyone blocked people who said Lance is doped - before Oprah show ? That was 10 year time. We now see Simone is taking something which increase capabilities. Allowed or nor its not Clean sport. --PetarM (talk) 08:32, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article should not state that Biles was Doping or involved in a doping acandal and can state explicitly that she didin't dope or cheat. Nevertheless it should mention the controversy and that (some) expert consider Ritalin an "unfair" advantage. As sources for that see for instance:

Also note, that this is about encyclopedic relevance and not about "fair", "unfair" or moral assessments by Wikipedians. --Kmhkmh (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC) Contraversy sections are disfavored and the current heading gives an inaccurate impression of Biles' approved use of medication. The content should be integratd without the inflamatory heading. Knope7 (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Final Five"

The article refers to Simone as being part of the "Final Five" -- I came to the article to understand what the term means, and found that it is not explained here. I think this might be an interesting expansion of the article, if someone who is knowledgeable about this wants to do so. Please ping upon any reply due to watchlist overload. Etamni | ✉ | ✓ 08:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dancing with the stars

Why isn’t her participation in this prominent TV show mentioned? Also there was some controversy about her having been eliminated when she had perfect scores Skysong263 (talk) 05:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree, there should be a Dancing With The Stars section like on Aly Raisman. I'm not too familiar with the show or where we could find references, especially for the performances table. The controversy you mentioned can be added too as long as there are reliable sources. -Riley1012 (talk) 14:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

University of the People Status, Disputed?

Reputable sources on this point:

This does not meet the criteria of disputed status. The "dispute" was raised by three IP editors and the editor who added the tag. The three IPs all geolocate back to the same country, only edited the University of the People page and talk page, and made negative edits directed at the university.

There needs to be more to call this a "disputed" statement. SimoneBilesStan (talk) 16:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fake news. Simone Biles is not a student at "University of the People". Those sponsored articles are not a proof. However, if you show an official document stating that Simone Biles is a student there, you can remove the tag.
The same request was already made three years ago, but none of you guys showed any documents legally proving your claims. Simone Biles' website does not mention this "University of the People" at all in her bio. The more years go by, the more your ads look like a WP:HOAX. —Mᵒdᵘlᵃtᵒ.📩 10:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are no reputable sources which dispute that she is a student. There are only disputes by three IP editors and yourself.
A reputable source would label sponsored articles as sponsored. None of the reputable sources provided labeled the articles as sponsored. No evidence has been provided otherwise.
Official documentation is not required. Verifiability is. Reputable news sources qualify as verifiability. Several reputable news sources without any taking a different or contrary stance is super verifiability.
I am not part of "you guys."
The counter that the Simone Biles website does not mention University of the People in her bio is an argument from silence.
If there is a reputable source which demonstrates that Simone Biles is not a student or was never a student or is even skeptical that she was a student at University of the People, produce it. Otherwise, you have no grounds to continue this line of editing. SimoneBilesStan (talk) 13:21, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should read https://www.simonebiles.com/bio and her book "Courage to sour". Please quit insulting our intelligence. Goodbye. —Mᵒdᵘlᵃtᵒ.📩 13:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2016/08/gymnastics-new-juggernaut

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 :Fake news. Simone Biles is '''not''' a student at "University of the People". Those sponsored articles are not a proof. However, if you show an '''official document''' stating that Simone Biles is a student there, you can remove the tag.<br>The same request was already made three years ago, but none of you guys showed any documents legally proving your claims. Simone Biles' website does '''not''' mention this "University of the People" at all in her bio. The more years go by, the more your ads look like a [[WP:HOAX]]. [[User:Modulato|—Mᵒdᵘlᵃtᵒ.]][[User talk:Modulato|&#128233;]] 10:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 ::There are no reputable sources which dispute that she is a student. There are only disputes by three IP editors and yourself.<br>A reputable source would label sponsored articles as sponsored. None of the reputable sources provided labeled the articles as sponsored. No evidence has been provided otherwise.<br>Official documentation is not required. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability Verifiability] is. Reputable news sources qualify as verifiability. Several reputable news sources without any taking a different or contrary stance is '''super''' verifiability.<br>I am not part of "you guys."<br>The counter that the Simone Biles website does not mention University of the People in her bio is an [[argument from silence]].<br>If there is a reputable source which demonstrates that Simone Biles is not a student or was never a student or is even skeptical that she was a student at University of the People, produce it. Otherwise, you have no grounds to continue this line of editing. [[User:SimoneBilesStan|SimoneBilesStan]] ([[User talk:SimoneBilesStan|talk]]) 13:21, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
+:::You should read https://www.simonebiles.com/bio and her book "Courage to sour". Please quit insulting our intelligence. Goodbye. [[User:Modulato|—Mᵒdᵘlᵃtᵒ.]][[User talk:Modulato|&#128233;]] 13:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)