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Merge discussion for 12th Indiana

An editor has requested for 12th Indiana Infantry Regiment (3 years) to be merged into 12th Indiana Infantry Regiment. Since you had some involvement with 12th Indiana Infantry Regiment (3 years) or 12th Indiana Infantry Regiment, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so).

Proposed splitting the article "Military academies in Russia"

I suggest to split the article "Military academies in Russia". The detailed description is here Talk:Military academies in Russia#Proposed splitting article into three separate articles. K8M8S8 (talk) 21:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to make a point about the discussion Talk:Military academies in Russia#Proposed splitting article into four separate articles. I've just prepared the texts of proposed future articles. I don't know how to make a splitting, so maybe will someone help with this? The texts of the articles is shown below

Military-focused secondary schools in Russia

Russian military-focused secondary schools are usual secondary schools conducting secondary general education programme (level 3 according ISCED) and providing their pupils with training in additional military-focused subjects. These schools don't prepare military personnel, and their graduates can choose either military or civilian way of life.

The section List of Russian military-focused secondary schools

Presidential Cadet Schools:

• Kemerovo Presidential Cadet School
• Krasnodar Presidential Cadet School
• Kyzyl Presidential Cadet School
• Orenburg Presidential Cadet School
• Petrozavodsk Presidential Cadet School
• Stavropol Presidential Cadet School
• Tyumen Presidential Cadet School

Cadet Corps Schools:

• Aksay Cossack Cadet Corps named after Danila Efremov
• Kronstadt Sea Cadet Corps
• Omsk Cadet Corps
• Saint Petersburg Cadet Corps
• Cadet Corps (Engineering School) within Zhukovsky – Gagarin Air Force Academy
• Cadet Corps (Sport School) within Military Institute of Physical Culture
• Cadet Corps of IT-technologies within Budyonny Military Academy of the Signal Corps
• Moscow female finishing school of the Ministry of Defence of Russian Federation
• Saint Petersburg female finishing school of the Ministry of Defence of Russian Federation

Suvorov Schools:

• Kazan Suvorov Military School
• Moscow Military Music College
• Moscow Suvorov Military School
• North Caucasus Suvorov Military School
• Perm Suvorov Military School
• Saint Petersburg Suvorov Military School
• Tula Suvorov Military School
• Tver Suvorov Military School
• Ulyanovsk Suvorov Military School
• Ussuriysk Suvorov Military School
• Yekaterinburg Suvorov Military School

Nakhimov Schools:

• Nakhimov Naval School (main campus is located in Saint Petersburg, there are branches in Vladivostok, Sevastopol, Kaliningrad, Murmansk)

The section External links

List of Russian military-focused secondary schools

Warrant officer schools of the Russian Armed Forces

The military warrant officer schools are educational institutions conducting the training career warrant officer programmes. Education acquired at such schools is vocational military education (level 4 according ISCED). The duration of studies is 2 years and 6-10 months. Graduates of these schools are assigned the military rank of praporshchik/michman.

At the moment, there are no separate warrant officer schools in Russia. The training warrant officer programmes are conducted by military educational institutions which also offer commissioning programmes.

The section List of Russian military educational institutions conducting training warrant officer programmes

• A.F. Mozhaysky Military-Space Academy
• Budyonny Military Academy of the Signal Corps
• Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School
• Krasnodar Higher Military School named after army general S.M. Shtemenko
• Kuznetsov Naval Academy
• Mikhailovskaya Military Artillery Academy
• Military Academy of Field Anti-Aircraft Defense
• Military Institute of Physical Culture
• Military Logistics Academy
• Military University of Radioelectronics
• Nakhimov Higher Naval School
• NBC Protection Military Academy
• Pacific Higher Naval School
• Ryazan Guards Higher Airborne Command School
• Tyumen Higher Military Engineer Command School named after A.I. Proshlyakov

The section External links

List of Russian military educational institutions

Military commissioning schools in Russia

The military commissioning schools are educational institutions conducting the training career commissioned officer programmes. Education acquired at such schools is higher military education (level 6 according ISCED). These programmes are named specialitet (Russian: специалитет) and take 5 years. Graduates of commissioning schools are assigned the military rank of lieutenant.

The commissioning schools are the first (tactical) level of officer training. Their graduates are appointed as platoon/company commanders and at equivalent positions. After several years of active duty service they can entry military post-commissioning schools for further education.

At the moment, some commissioning schools also conduct warrant officer programmes.

The section List of Russian military educational institutions conducting training commissioning officer programmes

• A.F. Mozhaysky Military-Space Academy
• Budyonny Military Academy of the Signal Corps
• Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School
• Kazan Higher Tank Command School
• Krasnodar Higher Military School named after army general S.M. Shtemenko
• Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School of Pilots
• Kuznetsov Naval Academy
• Mikhailovskaya Military Artillery Academy
• Military Academy of Field Anti-Aircraft Defense
• Military Institute of Physical Culture
• Military Logistics Academy
• Military University of Radioelectronics
• Military University of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
• Moscow Higher Military Command School
• Nakhimov Higher Naval School
• NBC Protection Military Academy
• Novosibirsk Higher Military Command School
• Pacific Higher Naval School
• Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces
• Ryazan Guards Higher Airborne Command School
• S. M. Kirov Military Medical Academy
• Tyumen Higher Military Engineering Command School named after A.I. Proshlyakov
• Yaroslavl Higher Military School of Anti-Aircraft Warfare
• Zhukov Air and Space Defence Academy
• Zhukovsky – Gagarin Air Force Academy

The section External links

List of Russian military educational institutions

Military academies in Russia

The military post-commissioning schools are educational institutions conducting the advance training career commissioned officer programmes. These programmes improve the military occupational specialty knowledge of commissioned officers. These programmes are named magistratura (Russian: магистратура) and take 2 years. Officer wishing to join the program shall comply with the entry requirements illustrated below

Reached educational level	Years of active duty service as commissioned officer	Military rank (no lower than)	Military position (years of experience)	Expected number of years of active duty service after graduation until general upper age limit for tenure
Military school or Military training center (tactical level)	no less than 7 years	captain/captain lieutenant	Major/Captain 3rd rank's positions (1 year at least)	5 years at least

The military post-commissioning schools are the second (operational-tactical) level of officer training. Their graduates can be appointed to battalion/regiment/brigade commander or equivalent positions.

At the moment, some post-commissioning schools also conduct the training warrant officer and commissioned officer programmes.

A special case is Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia which is the third (strategic) level of officer training. This academy prepares highest ranking military officers. The educational programme at Military Academy of the General Staff takes 2 years. Officer wishing to join the program shall comply with the entry requirements illustrated below

Reached educational level	Years of active duty service as commissioned officer	Military rank (no lower than)	Military position (years of experience)	Expected number of years of active duty service after graduation until general upper age limit for tenure
Military academy (operational-tactical level)	-	Major/Captain 3rd rank	Colonel/Captain 1st rank's positions (1 year at least)	5 years at least

The section List of Russian military educational institutions conducting training post-commissioning officer programmes

• Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia

• A.F. Mozhaysky Military-Space Academy
• Budyonny Military Academy of the Signal Corps
• Combined Arms Academy of the Ground Forces
• Krasnodar Higher Military School named after army general S.M. Shtemenko
• Kuznetsov Naval Academy
• Mikhailovskaya Military Artillery Academy
• Military Academy of Field Anti-Aircraft Defense
• Military Logistics Academy
• Military University of Radioelectronics
• NBC Protection Military Academy
• Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces
• S. M. Kirov Military Medical Academy
• Zhukov Air and Space Defence Academy
• Zhukovsky – Gagarin Air Force Academy

The section External links

List of Russian military educational institutions

References

K8M8S8 (talk) 12:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Armor-piercing ammunition

This article is a train wreck. There are almost zero citations, numerous errors, half facts, and other fun and exciting prizes. It might be best to put it on a speedy delete list. Failing that, perhaps we can put a team together to overhaul the article. I might also suggest merging this into another article. Tirronan (talk) 01:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tirronan: what page would you suggest merging Armor-piercing ammunition into? Also, have you considered making any improvements to the page yourself? You suggested you would do just that back in 2019 on the article talk. Your comments also indicate you may have some subject-matter expertise on this topic, along with access to relevant reliable sources, so any changes you make would likely be a good way to get the ball rolling towards improvement. (jmho) Cheers - wolf 17:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I do in fact know something about it. Mind you that a real expert is going to be found at the Yuma testing range or the Aberdeen facility. I'd prefer that someone collaborate with me to help with some of the research if that is possible. Otherwise, I am coming across as a solo effort.Tirronan (talk) 06:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tirronan: It's usually (but not always) nice to have help, but if you have an interest in improving an article, don't let appearances get in the way. If no one steps up to offer assistance, feel free to work on the article anyway.

The only thing that really matters is that changes to content are an imrpovement, that they are properly sourced, and that they don't otherwise violate any wiki-rules, eg: copyright, etc. Cheers - wolf 19:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Aye then. Tirronan (talk) 04:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Additional standard terms for parameter result in infobox Military conflict

In the Battle of Berezina the result within Infobox Military conflict says: "Inconclusive (See the Aftermath Section)". The Aftermath section says: "Napoleon was in a position to claim a strategic victory." Strategic victory says: "A strategic victory is a victory that brings long-term advantage to the victor and disturbs the enemy's ability to wage a war." The Documentation of Infobox Military conflict says: "Result: The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict" and "Omit this parameter altogether rather than engage in speculation about which side won or by how much."
All this shows that the term "victory" as a result does not help in complex campaigns. I suggest adding to the documentation of Infobox military conflict for the parameter Result three new terms: "X advance", "X retreat" and "X standstill". The outcome of the Battle of Berezina will be:
French retreat
Russian advance.
The outcome of the even more complex Battle of Maloyaroslavets will be instead of "See Aftermath":
French standstill
Russian retreat.
Ruedi33a (talk) 17:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

There are some battles and even wars that have the same issue. Jutland quickly comes to mind. As does The War of 1812. Berezina and come to think on it The Battle of Wavre are particularly thorny. Oh, and we have the Battle of Borodino as well. We need a process that is different from the way that is not working right now. Really complex battles and wars don't always fit our way of doing things. It ends up with endless squabbling without real answers. I'm going to suggest that such articles be worked over by designated teams and locked.Tirronan (talk) 06:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

No, never, this is a recipie for endless hair splitting, see aftermath is a far better way of dealing with the subtleties, the solution is to write a better aftermath section. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 07:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. If the result is sufficiently complex that neither side can be unambiguously called a "victor" then the solution is not to cram more and more information into an infobox but to omit the argument or, as an alternative, to refer to a section of the prose that describes the outcome. As per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE: [T]he purpose of an infobox [is] to summarize [..] key facts that appear in the article[.] The less information [an infobox] contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Adding additional qualifiers would also result in a bunch of (in my view rather pointless) infighting regarding which qualifier to use for any specific battle where a few sources describe it as a "pyrrhic victory for A", others call it a "tactical victory for A", a few more use "strategic victory for B" and the rest do not use any specific modifiers. Ljleppan (talk) 07:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Agree per Keith-264 and Ljleppan. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Strong agreement here as well. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 10:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, point closed. I will look into the aftermath section. Ruedi33a (talk) 16:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC) @A. C. Santacruz:

1975 RAAF aircraft hijacking

I've opened a discussion about the possibility of creating an article on the hijacking of a RAAF aircraft in 1975. Discussion at WT:AV#RAAF aircraft hijacking. Mjroots (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Citations button question

The citations button in the edit page has disappeared and I can't find it in the preferences page. I had a look in preferences and changed a couple of things before noticing that it had gone but nothing that was connected. Can anyone shed light on this pls? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 13:25, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Keith-264: Just an fyi, but the cite button is still present in my edit window. Have you considered restoring your preferences to default? Cheers - wolf 18:04, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I think I'd better continue with trial and error. ;O) Keith-264 (talk) 19:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

18th-century Spain in infoboxes

Hi all, just wanted to leave a courtesy notification that I changed a few links in conflict infoboxes for 18th-century Spain from Enlightenment in Spain to History of Spain (1700–1810), but I don't know how widespread this practice was, and only looked at the members of Category:Naval battles of the American Revolutionary War involving Spain. Some of those linked to Bourbon Spain, which redirects to the 1700–1810 article. I thought it was strange that we'd link to an article about intellectual and scientific development—even if it's a common way of referring to that time period—in a historical or military context. A clue was that some of these infoboxes had linked to Enlightenment Spain (not in Spain), which better captures the meaning of "Enlightenment-era Spain".

Given the inconsistency I came across, I didn't think I was going against any solid consensus, but just in case. Beyond that one category, I'm not sure what the linking looks like. Feel free to ping me if needed. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Tiridates I of Armenia

I have nominated Tiridates I of Armenia for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 17:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Russian Military Partition of Ukraine into 2 Parts on the Model of the Dual Partition of Korea

Animated map of the invasion from 24 February to 24 March

In editing the article for 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the military strategy currently in progress is being described as an invasion of Eastern Ukraine with 4 battle groups, currently involved in besieging major cities which are within 100-200km of the Russian border inside Ukraine. This appears to be an encirclement strategy of Eastern Ukraine, however, none of the news sources are calling it an encirclement. Do any of the military sciences editors here at Wikipedia know what is the preferred description for this type of border invasion: using four battle groups to besiege major cities close to the invaded border before continuing military operations against the targeted nation. It looks like an encirclement of Eastern Ukraine, though news sources are not using this language. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

This NBC News report quotes Jeffrey Edmonds, "a senior analyst at CNA", who says that the Russian commanders were given very little time to plan the offensive, resulting in a "just drive down the road and see what happens kind of approach". Alansplodge (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Pentagon: Russia Aims to Cut Off Eastern Ukraine. Alansplodge (talk) 19:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Alansplodge That second Pentagon article you present from last month in February seems to introduce the divide-and-conquer strategy, that is, divide Ukraine in half geographically and then concentrate on defeating the eastern half. Here is a newer strategy analysis from last week discussing the four fronts description of the invasion [1]. Also this article from yesterday states that Russia may wish to partition Ukraine into two parts on the model of North Korea and South Korea here [2]. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020A

The project to revisit older FAs that begun in late 2020 is still ongoing, and as Warfare is the largest category of FAs, I think it would be good for the project to "give" back by looking over some of the oldest, as more expert eyes can be a big help. Some of the oldest ones that still need attention:

1. USS Missouri (BB-63) is in a process of reducing overreliance on DANFS; any help there would be appreciated
2. Operation Ten-Go is in pretty good shape, but needs some unreliable web sources pruned/replaced
3. William Tecumseh Sherman has been at FAR for almost a year
   1. Has now been delisted.
4. Rhys ap Gruffydd - an old Welsh warlord. Needs reviews to see if it meets standards
5. Toledo War - an obscure internal US boundary dispute, needs reviews to see if it meets standards
6. Battle of Savo Island - in good shape, needs some smaller source improvements and maybe some lead work
7. Ulm campaign - has been given a formal pre-FAR notice for some sourcing upgrades needed. This looks fixable if anyone has relevant sources (I don't). It would be a shame if it were delisted
8. Battle of Schellenberg - has not been looked at as part of the FA process, could use a read-through from someone familiar with the subject
9. Battle of Ceresole Looks pretty good, but could use attention from someone more familiar with this
10. Thomas C. Hindman - in very poor sourcing shape, has also been given a formal pre-FAR notice. I can help with this one, but lack a couple key sources.

All of these were promoted in 2006 or before, with the exception of Hindman, which was promoted in 2007. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and maintaining old FAs is just as important as creating new ones. If we can get these 10 looked at, that would be a great big help for the URFA effort. Hog Farm _Talk 20:25, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• A 2009er, but the important Battle of Dien Bien Phu is also not up to standard. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
• Will take a look at the Welsh guy tomorrow UTC. SN54129 21:01, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

MILHIST that have been noticed for potentially needing FAR

These are ones with known issues that preclude status. I'll sort through the list, and post them here. Hopefully they can be fixed, but any editor can send one article to FAR a week, so if one is not going to be fixable in the near term, volunteers for FAR nominations would be welcome as a last-case scenario. Hog Farm _Talk 21:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

1. Shangani Patrol (British South Africa)
2. Józef Piłsudski (20th-century Poland)
3. Byzantine Empire (topic should be obvious)
4. 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash (Cold War, nuclear-related)
5. Óengus I (pre-Scottish warlord)
   1. Now at FAR
6. Ivan Bagramyan (Soviet officer)
7. Cleomenean War (ancient Sparta)
8. First Nagorno-Karabakh War (Armenia/Azerbaijan conflict,)
9. Ulm campaign (Napoleon) [see above]
10. Cretan War (205–200 BC) (ancient Macedonia)
11. Thomas C. Hindman (American Civil War) [see above]
12. Edwin Taylor Pollock (early 20th-century US Navy)
13. 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marines (US Marine Corps)
14. Attalus I (ancient Greece)
15. Battle of Dien Bien Phu (French Indochina) [see above]

These are in varying degrees of condition. Hopefully they can be saved, but don't be afraid to send one to FAR if it is beyond reasonable fixing. FAR has some more detailed instructions on nominating rules, see WP:FAR there or ask at WT:FAR. I can attempt to answer any questions, but of the above, only Hindman is a topic I'm particularly familiar with. Hog Farm _Talk 21:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Oengus I

I have nominated Óengus I for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 04:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Stalingrad

Originalcola recently removed Hungary from the infobox after a discussion on the talk page. I think this is probably correct, but am unsure. Italy is still there, but no mention of Italians in Axis order of battle at the Battle of Stalingrad. I think some units from the Italian 8th Army may have been attached to the German 6th Army and caught in the encirclement. I think some clarification is in order here. This is not my area and the discussion on the talk page did not generate much input, so I am posting this here. Srnec (talk) 14:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

This may be relevant Italian participation in the Eastern Front GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

The Italian 8th Army occupied a defensive line on the River Don, with the Hungarians on their left to the west and the Romanians on their right to the east (map here). Beyond the Romanians further east was the German 6th Army at Stalingrad. The initial Soviet encirclement fell on the Romanians, but the Italian front was attacked in Operation Little Saturn which eventually led to their rout in February 1943. Alansplodge (talk) 21:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

But didn't Little Saturn also hit the Hungarians? The troop dispositions I (sort of) know. It is the 'boundaries' of the battle of Stalingrad—what 'counts' as part of that—that I am unsure of. And hence unsure of keeping the Italians and leaving out the Hungarians. Srnec (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

www.convoyweb.org.uk under discussion in WP:RSN

The input of the members of this wikiproject would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#www.convoyweb.org.uk. Thanks, Ljleppan (talk) 08:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Should we continue to report equipment losses in the infobox?

Hi, I have started a discussion at Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Should we continue to report equipment losses in the infobox?. Any information is particularly scant and/or from belligerent sources. Please comment. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Is that “neutrally worded” per WP:APPNOTE? DeCausa (talk) 12:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it in any way inaccurate? Cinderella157 (talk) 12:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I don’t know. I don’t think accuracy is relevant. A notification which adds on an accurate statement which only supports one side of the discussion (which this clearly does) is not neutral. DeCausa (talk) 12:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Operation Barbarossa order of battle and Order of battle for Operation Barbarossa

I though I would drop a note here that there are two different articles for the same information at the moment. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmission∆ °co-ords° 15:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)