User talk:DragonofBatley

Throw me your criticism in the section of the new tabs.

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Hello. I'm an administrator and a Teahouse Host. You posted this complaint about David Biddulph and left it there long enough for people to have to spend quite a bit of time wading through this frequently blanked usertalk page to discern if there is an issue, and then you removed it.

I would have a replied to you that you are drawing the completely wrong conclusions about the issues being flagged up by him and other editors. They were made to highlight disruption to various pages that your seemingly careless editing were causing, and encouraging you to take more care in future. We expect all editors to check their edits and not proceed to publish them (or to revert them immediately) if they are not an improvement. It would appear you did not take that gentler encouragement on board - hence the more severe warnings. So, do you think you can address this? I hope you can. We don't want to discourage anyone here, but we do need everyone to do so carefully and not require others to trail after them to fix up their mess. We expect 'Competence' from editors, or at least an ability to learn from accidental errors and not keep repeating them.

If you want to know more as to why an editor has left you a message, feel free to ask them directly. Providing a WP:DIFF to show them or others what you're asking about makes it much easier to understand the problem. If you don't feel you can improve what you're doing in the face of criticism, then that's the time to do different kinds of work. If you have genuine complaints of bullying, you should compile those diffs and raise your concerns at WP:ANI. Be aware that your own editing behaviour will be looked at just as closely as the person you are complaining about. I hope this helps. I also suggest you remove the statement on your userpage, as a belligerent attitude is often met with equal force by others when, under other circumstances, they might have been more accommodating had you spelled out other issues. Take care.

PS: Are you genuinely from Batley? I used to run the Bagshaw Museum in Wilton Park. Perhaps you know it? Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 12:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi nick thanks for taking the time to post on here. Look I've got autism as I mentioned before, I've made so many useful helpful and justified contributions to the encyclopedia. I've made new unitary authority articles, borough articles, railway articles and built up area articles. I feel like I'm being hounded on a by basis because an issue found by one editor soon becomes an issue. As was the case with Slaggyford. I removed an unsourced statement and before I removed it I found nothing to really clarify Slaggyford was more populated then Alston but despite that. I was told it should be left despite being unsourced. But yet when I added key railways to Powys, I was asked to provide reliable sources. So there's that. There's also the two warnings I've been handed. Which I know could lead to a temporary or permanent ban on here.

I've tried so hard to change and get better. But I feel I'm being made worse when I'm trying to get better. And having David Biddulph criticise but not offer help is not appreciated when he knows I have autism. PamD was a great mentor for a time but I've had to ask her to stop engaging with me because of the small issues she keeps raising on my page like with Slaggyford and it being unchanged since 2018. Dates don't matter towns become cities, boroughs become unitary authorities and history gets added, tweaked or removed if it is unsourced.

I challenged unsourced statements because I'm doing what some don't and that is to challenge unsourced statements which could have been on there since.wiki was created.

I'm trying to improve the wiki for people not to destroy it but she made out I was. I've gotten better at referencing, better at linking and better at article creating. But it's never enough it seems when I'm trying to improve. Hence why these past few months I've stuck to just minor and if need be important edits.

I hope nick you can understand myside a bit more. I feel lost when I'm trying to improve but get nothing but repor for it.

Thanks though and ps: yes I know Bagshaw Museum. I lived in Batley Carr but Dewsbury end. Moved to Keighley last year but keep Batley close to me. DragonofBatley (talk) 12:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Note: I've indented your reply to me as you forgot to do it.

First off, if you want people to make allowances for you, you really need to spell issues out on your talk page (dyslexia, autism, second language and so on). That's where we'll all look. I'm afraid your rather belligerent statement there about bullying simply does you no favours at all. Can you appreciate that? We can see you've made over 5,000 edits, so you should have an idea what you're doing. And yes, we all make mistakes, so why not simply recognise that in your (hopefully polite) dealings with others in future?

There is a difference between blanking uncontroversial content that has stood, uncited but unchallenged for some years, and not citing new content that you want to add. The advice you got was quite correct: add a (i.e. {{cn}} template) to that content; go find a citation to support it, or discuss it on the article talk page, explaining why you've removed it. On that note, only one third of your major edits have any explanatory edit summary. If you don't want people to conclude you're acting in bad faith when you remove content for no apparent reason, then you really must leave an explanatory note. You wrote: "I challenged unsourced statements because I'm doing what some don't and that is to challenge unsourced statements which could have been on there since.wiki was created. The problem is you didn't challenge them - you simply deleted them, as I understand it. That's not the same, so please stop doing it that way from now on for uncontroversial but uncited content, or we'd have to delete half of Wikipedia in one go! I realise you think you were doing the right thing, but perhaps it's not the right way to have gone about it Maybe simply stick to adding content for now until you settle down and feel OK again might help? It really is important to get on with other editors and to ask yourself "what am I doing wrong if others appear to be criticising me?" try to keep that conversation with them going and ask for assistance/guidance in the calmest way you can. Don't bite back, and be open to learning and admitting your mistakes if and when you make them. Both PamD and David Biddulph spend hours and hours helping people here, so I know for a fact that neither want you to feel they're pushing you too hard, but gentle steering, followed by firmer steering is how we all operate here purely so that we can avoid disrupting or weakening the value of our 6.2million+ article. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nick, I get all you said and appreciate you taking a look at it from my perspective. I have not doubts PamD or David Biddulph help people. I have felt though that David has not helped me but merely criticized me and not offered a way to help me with the problems occuring. PamD was a great mentor and I followed her advice always to a t. But I'm afraid when your getting watched and bombarded with issues found. It for me gets to an invasion of space. I tried a formula a few months back to keep my talk page simplified by adding tabs but then it became too much for me to empty and follow. I also struggle sometimes with the vast amounts of wiki formatting which occurs when making collages, nominating articles for deletion or syntax errors. I don't know how to format them properly and when asking for help. None was given when I added collages to Walsall (which PamD thankfully fixed) and Barnsley.

I'm trying so hard to learn to do things right but without a simplified version to formatting. I will struggle and hate leaving things a mess but when I'm unsure how to do it. It's left to me to figure out. I always ask for help and to be honest the only helpers I've had on here were Crouch, Swale. PamD and John May Friedman (hope I got that right).

I will in future this time follow advice given but with the ones mentioned above (Article for Deletion, Collage formatting and syntax errors). How do I format them properly. I also won't pester PamD to help me again. Probably burnt that bridge by now. Nor David Biddulph. DragonofBatley (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

First off, (for Nick Moyes benefit) I previously stated I would not post here; I do have Teahouse on my watchlist (as it can help with general tips) and sometimes I follow up.

I would strenously suggest that a large part of your problems stem from your insistence on using a hand-held device (probably predictive text also); I've seen this for a year or so. I can only think of one person who boasts of being able to do everything with a 'phone. I can see you have access to a full computer, and there's a simplified facility called visual editor (see Wikipedia:VisualEditor) which could be of help to you - I haven't looked at it, so wouldn't know if it's for computers only - Nick Moyes could no doubt advise. I also think that the mobile view is not conducive to leaving edit summaries, based only on what one new user has stated recently - that it is easier to press 'send'.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 15:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Rocknrollmancer: I shouldn't be here either but ... I do a lot of editing on a mobile phone and I always (99+%) leave edit summaries. It's not a good experience, using a laptop or desktop machine is vastly easier, but sometimes using the phone is convenient. Just needs care. PamD 16:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Also to add I have no problem if nobody adds non needed topics like a small grammar error. If it's that bad other editors might take notice. When I read some old pages lots use US terms or are spelt wrong so maybe those are needing looking at then a minor comma missing. DragonofBatley (talk) 18:48, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Sale

You reverted my edit to this article, despite my justification for it which you seem to have ignored. If you are really interested in accuracy, I refer you to the foot of the article's talk page, where you will find a clear explanation as to why the 134000+ population figure is inappropriate. The article is about Sale within the same boundary which it had as a municipal borough and previously, and the population shown should apply to that and not to an area grossly bigger. If you take the trouble to look at the site https://www.trafforddatalab.io/ward_profiler/?theme=Demographics&name=Total%20resident%20population (or search on "Trafford ward population") and sum the figures for the wards of Ashton on Mersey, Brooklands, Priory, Sale Moor and St Mary's, a 2020 estimate of the appropriate population can be obtained. A minor bit of editing to the article and to the source of the figure would then suffice. Clearly, the word "large" is not correct for a town of about 55000 people.→2A00:23C6:AA07:4C00:35CE:FAC5:F03A:D373 (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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Edit request for File:Halifax Montage.jpg

Hello.

Can you edit File:Halifax Montage.jpg by changing the dark photo File:Halifax Town Hall - geograph.org.uk - 2198902.jpg with this photo File:Town Hall, Halifax - geograph.org.uk - 1542645.jpg and also by changing the mosque photo File:Central Jamia Mosque Madni Halifax - geograph.org.uk - 348726.jpg, whose view is blocked by boxes and trash, with this photo File:Central Mosque - Gibbet Street - geograph.org.uk - 868139.jpg? It is the same mosque, but without objects blocking its view.

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(talk page watcher): Done that for you, 31.200.15.32. Rcsprinter123 (pitch) 14:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Newark-on-Trent

What does "Newark is situated at a geographical distance from the cities of Nottingham, Lincoln and Leicester." mean? PamD 18:51, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

It means "Geographical distance is the distance measured along the surface of the earth. The formulae in this article calculate distances between points which are defined by geographical coordinates in terms of latitude and longitude. This distance is an element in solving the second geodetic problem."

According to the article of the same name Geographical distance. I put it as that to simply mean the town is at a geographical distance from the three cities. If you go Newark, the A46 is actually a good example for use of the name. Lincoln is north, Nottingham is southwest and Leicester is south. It might not sound like an appropriate term but the word is a real word. I think it's very formal DragonofBatley (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Surely everywhere that's not Nottingham, Lincoln or Leicester is a geographical distance from Nottingham, Lincoln and Leicester? Better to specify the distance. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I should perhaps have quoted two "sentences" not just one, from Dragon's version: "Newark is situated at a geographical distance from the cities of Nottingham, Lincoln and Leicester. Which are 21 miles (34 km), 19 miles (31 km) and 40 miles (64 km) respectively." But a sentence should have a meaning as it stands, and also "geographical distance" here is unnecessary. PamD 08:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Cheshire

I know what you mean about Cheshire not existing as a political unit since it's now made up of unitary authorities. But it does still exist in law as a ceremonial county, meaning for the purposes of the lord lieutenancy. Historic county and ceremonial county and non-metropolitan county all mean something different. Dgp4004 (talk) 11:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

There's nothing quite so confusing as English local government :) Dgp4004 (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dgp4004, thanks for your post. Yea I get what your saying about it still having references and some ceremonial use. I'm mirroring the exact same scenario as Shropshire and County Durham. Which are both now technically historic counties even though a unitary authority covers the rest of County Durham aside from Darlington Stockton on Tees and Hartlepool which are already seperate before from county council. And same was with Telford and Wrekin in Shropshire. Seperate to the county council at the time. DragonofBatley (talk) 12:15, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the County Durham and Shropshire pages to be honest. But they both still exist as ceremonial counties too. The ceremonial counties haven't much changed since 1974. The only ones to have been abolished are Avon, Cleveland, Hereford and Worcester, and Humberside. Check out the Ceremonial counties of England page which has a really good map :) Dgp4004 (talk) 12:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Remember no spaces before references

About this edit: please remember not to put a space before a reference. And also please check that your sentences are sentences: "Which means that of the 39,927 local population." is not a sentence. I see that another editor has corrected that paragraph for you (by removing some of your ungrammatical text, and cleaned up the space before the reference too), but please check what you type and make sure that it is in decent English. You should also check your links to be sure that you are not linking to a disambiguation page or other unintended page, as in "No religion". Thanks. PamD 20:55, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay thanks PamD will bear that in mind for future reference ta DragonofBatley (talk) 21:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Please remember! See Salford Cathedral (I've removed the space). 16:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Central Milton Keynes is not Milton Keynes (discussion)

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It doesn't bother me, I just thought as it's been widely called a town. It was classed as a town. DragonofBatley (talk) 21:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Salford Metropolitan Borough

If you think all districts with city status should use "Metropolitan Borough" then probably a wider discussion should happen rather than just moving one article of which WP:UKDISTRICTS says to use "City of" for districts with city status. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Crouch, I understand what your saying but many editors are contesting it or at least three or so have. Anons keep changing it and others do as well to Salford Metropolitan Borough. I tried a concensus at the last discussion and it was put that it should say Salford Metropolitan Borough. DragonofBatley (talk) 21:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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Geog context

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Navigation

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East Riding of Yorkshire

Isn't it more appropriate to have East Riding of Yorkshire about the whole ceremonial county and the district disambiguated per WP:DABCONCEPT? What I'm saying is that East Riding of Yorkshire (county) should probably be moved back to East Riding of Yorkshire. Also note that a unitary district is an administrative county so East Riding of Yorkshire (ceremonial county) would otherwise be better. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Its been redirected back but if we/you decide to re-create/restore the district article then I'd point out that with the places that say in the "East Riding of Yorkshire" instead of just linking to the district like here it would probably be better to write "in the East Riding of Yorkshire district, in the ceremonial county of the East Riding of Yorkshire", thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks 👍🙏 DragonofBatley (talk) 16:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

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Nottingham

This is all Nottingham, how can you say that one bit is outside of it when there is a clear conurbation? Or do you deny this as being the place over which you are arguing? Sportspop (talk) 21:03, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Take it to the Wikigeography page, I don't understand your reasons for changing the lead from town to suburb. You do know the difference right between a town and suburb? One has an established centre and administrative role (if applicable) aka a town. A suburb is an area of a town or city which is under a ward for the city and acts for overspill for that settlement.

West Bridgford has a long established history prior to Nottingham even being a city and your mashing under a suburb. Here the definition of suburb "an outlying district of a city, especially a residential one." - Google search definition.

A town is this "a built-up area with a name, defined boundaries, and local government, that is larger than a village and generally smaller than a city." - Google search definition.

Your arguments fall on deaths ears and as I've said there is already other towns next to Nottingham like Arnold Bulwell Carlton Bingham Beeston Sandiacre Hucknall etc and they are towns. Not suburbs despite forming a large part of the city urban area.

West Bridgford is separate from it by the Trent hence why it is under Rushcliffe part of Nottinghamshire and Nottingham is seperated by the Trent and of the county council which is what west Bridgford if part of and the base for. County hall.

I don't understand why you argue to use suburb when it's not even a district of the city. It's not like Wythenshaw in Manchester or Speke in Liverpool or even Mickleover in Derby. It's a seperate town and not classed as a suburb.

London is different as its green belt and suburbs were already established. DragonofBatley (talk) 21:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

High Peak, Derbyshire

Hi DragonofBatley

I don't understand what you are trying to do to High Peak, Derbyshire, but I am sure it is well-intended.

However, please could you

• use a sandbox to experiment to avoid cluttering the article's history with test edits
• use edit summaries when editing the article
• avoid bad reverts, like this[1] and this[2].

Thanks. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:28, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl:, Thanks for your comment, I am just adding image skylines like i did on South Derbyshire etc. Just to add some more photos to the district and help them look more appealing to read. Just a minor thing really :). Thanks for your other well-intended as it is for the benefit of readers of the article :) DragonofBatley (talk) 20:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Adding images sounds like a nice idea. But do please use edit summaries to explain what you are doing.

And since this doesn't seem to be something that's easy to get right first time, please test it in a sandbox until it's working. It's not helpful to have the article's history cluttered with lots of test edits. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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Solihull Page Abuse

I don't know why you keep abusing this page. A quick inspection reveals you aren't even a resident of this town, yet you feel entitled to continually edit it to fit your obvious agenda. For any medium-sized town like Solihull, our independence is our identity. Basic research will highlight the reality that we are fully independent. We feel bullied by you. You are ruining this page and trying to detract from our identity. Please leave the Solihull page alone. Myself and another user have complained formally to Wikipedia about you and your malicious edits. SolihullResident96 (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

You joined one hour ago? Your hardly in any position to make demands and be able to intimidate an experienced editor. Good luck in your crusade. With a generic name like yours I'm surprised if your taken seriously at all lol 😂. Best of luck 🐉🐲DragonofBatley (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)