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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Thank you for your support in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Wikipedia project, and I'll try again in a few months! If you ever have any questions or suggestions for me, please don't hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, --El on ka 03:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

On August 10, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ben Kuroki, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Good to see you agian MONGO. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job MONGO --rogerd 16:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.--MONGO 18:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kuroki

Thanks for the PBS tip. I'd like to watch it.Rlevse 18:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Accusations of mounting personal attacks

MONGO, here, you accused me of mounting personal attacks against you. When I pressed you on what those personal attacks consisted of, you again accused me of attacking you. When I pressed you further, you responded:

After the other admin removed it, did you put it back? Okay, thanks

So twice today you have accused me of attacking you and have refused to substantiate your charges. Until such time as you can substantiate your accusation, please stop accusing me of attacking you. — goethean ॐ 21:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check the rfa...the link to the frivilous complaint you filed at AN/I on me is there...if you still don't understand what userpages are and are not to be used for, you have learned nothing...so check this for further guidance. Thanks.--MONGO 21:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Further...[1]--MONGO 21:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those links don't answer my question. All you do is accuse and evade. Please stop accusing me of attacking you personally untuil such time as you can substantiate the charges. Thanks. — goethean ॐ 22:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't click those links and read the multiple comments there condemning your misuse of your userspace to attack myself and others, then I cannot help you.--MONGO 22:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Crockspot

You forgot to sign a comment [2]. —AldeBaer 17:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain

from making changes to my userpage describing myself without consensus. VanTucky ^(talk) 18:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for consensus as far as userpages go...either use them for what they are supposed to be used for, or find another website to edit.--MONGO 18:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MONGO, please do something for me

MONGO, I would like to see you run for admin. Of course, it will fail, but just for kicks, just to see how many people's heads will explode with their SUPERSONIC STRONG OPPOSEs. :) The Evil Spartan 19:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would be proud to make the nomination. - Crockspot 19:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys...but I am on a lot of enemies lists. Right now, I am pretty angry about this website.--MONGO 22:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Been there, believe me. But don't abandon the asylum to the lunatics. Raymond Arritt 22:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am beginning to think that this website is dominated by anarchists and morons, not serious contributors to the effort of writng an encyclopedia. My desire to edit this website is really low at this point...all I feel like doing is tracking down all the socks and banned editors and getting then blocked.--MONGO 00:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've been wondering about applying to the august body myself. Perhaps we should co-ordinate cos I think either of us would be equally controversial, and we havent seen much of that since Gracenotes. I understand your not liking wikipedia that much. You'd get my vote based on your contribs right now anyway, FWIW, SqueakBox 00:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Friends lists' and civility

I saw your post about Smedley's 'friends list'. I'm in a similar situation, where despite my plain request (and my removal of his name from my talk page after a long lull in our interaction) TDC has refused to remove my name (and my name alone) for months on a 'friends list' of his own [3]. If you could help TDC to understand your viewpoint that excessive use of such lists can be perceived by some as stalking, and work to have him remove my name from his 'user' page, I'd be grateful... since there's no call for it whatsoever. If you'd like to see links about the context, I'm happy to provide them. Thanks, MONGO. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 00:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You rock and my support for you remains as strong as ever. Be well. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 00:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look around and see who else is linking like that. I know Bauder does, but we assume his rationale is due to his arbcom work. Lowly editors such as me don't need to link to anything but the articles.--MONGO 00:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When one is in the midst of conflicts, it can be helpful to maintain useful links to specific diffs, but I imagine one could just as easily keep their notes off-wiki, to avoid undue escalation and misperception of insult. I would fully back a decision based on the general principle that such lists are more often used as attacks than as assets for conflict resolution. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 00:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Links on TDC's page

You mean the links that are being edit warred over? I can, but first can you explain what the edit war was all about and what the point of the links are? MessedRocker (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed links to me on another userpage, put there for no reason other than to stalk my edits and those of others.[4] I also asked VanTucky to not attack someone on his userpage[5]. If you look at the thread just above this one, Ryan asked me to help her with links on TDC's page...so I did and would like to be impartial and get everyone to stop misusing their userpages...it's just a matter of courtesy and enforcing WP:USERPAGE.--MONGO 01:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to make of the issue. If you'd like to bring it to WP:AN/I or something like that, go ahead. MessedRocker (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well, I tried. Thanks though for inquiring.--MONGO 02:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MONGO, thanks for the intent and for your boldness. Perhaps TDC will relent, 10 months after the fact, and remove the links. In either case, I'm perfectly content to go on ignoring it, since the only reason for him to keep them up is if he thinks it's 'Torturous' or 'Devastating' for me. It's not. Anyway, honest thanks again. :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 02:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He is offline it appears...I'll try again tomorrow. I know we all can hold grudges but the best thing is to not use userpages for that purpose.--MONGO 02:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down

I understand that things are quite heated at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Crockspot, but calling someone a jerk can very easily be considered a personal attack. Reverting someone's removal of your comment (when they had very clearly identified it as a personal attack) under the guise of reverting vandalism is a bit shady. Try stepping away for a little while. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you remove my comment after I was attacked and insulted there by that JERK! Either offer your warnings equally or hand in your admin bit now.--MONGO 05:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that whole bit of the conversation, as it was entirely counter-productive. My advice that you not lower yourself to a troll's level is still quite sound, though (at least in my opinion). EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The whole bit eh...so the part where SevenOfDiamonds calls me a troll gets to stay...way to be impartial...[6]--MONGO 05:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm sorry that I'm not catching every little thing; I haven't read it all, I just happened to notice your instance that calling an editor a jerk was perfectly acceptible. I appreciate your insinuation that I'm in league with the vandals; is there anything else you'd like to unfairly heap on me? EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see, so my comment is equated as you being in a league with vandals....all I asked was that you not be partial...that if you were going to delete the comments that you delete all of them...--MONGO 05:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Something still needs to be done about users such as Bmedley Sutler and SevenOfDiamonds and their IP sockpuppets. They both, especially Bmedley Sutler, are accounts that used mostly for left-wing POV-pushing and trolling. MONGO has every right to be mad. They have constantly attacked him and no one has done anything about it. Pablo Talk | Contributions 05:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not forget that Bmedley committed a BLP violation so blatant that nearly everyone agrees that my RfA should be blanked after closing. I see he has me on his "friends" list too. Is he claiming that the people on that list are his friends? Geez, I'd hate to be the guy's enemy, if that's the case. - Crockspot 14:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BLP covers editors? — goethean ॐ 15:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Time will tell...--MONGO 05:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's be proactive. The bottom line is that they need to leave, so let's think of what we ought to do to take care of it. Any ideas? I must admit that I am not so familiar with the RfC/ArbCom/Community Sanction processes. Pablo Talk | Contributions 05:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trust me...it is being worked on.--MONGO 05:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to make this as clear as possible Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Lovelight. Let me know if it's confusing. --Tbeatty 07:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about the part where it says Lovelight's contibutions on 4/13...links to a more current page...--MONGO 07:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it. On April 13, that IP edited as Lovelight. Lovelight was the only one adding people to the template. --Tbeatty 07:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I know who it was adding those "rappers", and I'm nearly 100% certain it was not Lovelight. --Aude (talk) 07:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The SoD person is the "rapper" person. That's the weakest link in the request is lovelight to IP but I still think it's pretty solid. --Tbeatty 07:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We know SoD's IP, and I also know Lovelight's IP from when he was a new user and use to edit sometimes while logged out. They trace to entirely different locations. I don't want to disclose IPs on wiki, but can give you more details via e-mail. --Aude (talk) 07:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Lovelight's last edits were May 1. We don't keep IP information for edits that long, so the request will come back as "stale" anyway. Nonetheless, Lovelight and SoD are not a match. But SoD is a sock of another banned user. I'm fairly sure I know who it is, but a match can't be made with checkuser, because the edit history of banned user would be stale (IP information not kept this long). --Aude (talk) 07:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"First edit in two weeks"

I find your note attached to my vote on Crockspot's RFA that it is my "first edit in two weeks" patently offensive and belittling of my contributions, however frequently or infrequently I am able or willing to make them. I request that you remove or redact it. Awaiting your reply, ➪HiDrNick! 05:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No...whenever someone comes to an Rfa or other !vote out of the blue after not editing for awile it is often a red flag.--MONGO 05:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not when they are an established editor. Viridae ^Talk 06:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Odd...no edits for two weeks and then they edit that Rfa...no read flag for you eh. Well okie dokie.--MONGO 06:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is being discussed on the mailing list and was mentioned on ANI. It was only because it was mentioned on ANI that I took a look. That doesn't make my opinion less valid. Viridae ^Talk 06:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nor mine...I;m still waiting for that diff which shows I ever called Evula a Jerk...--MONGO 06:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reiterate my request. Your SPA-style tagging of my vote implies that you feel my opinion should not be counted. Is this true? How frequently and to what extent do you think that I should contribute for my opinions to be worthwhile? Is this codified in a policy somewhere that I missed? Is it rather that you don't care much for my type of contributions, or the articles that I choose to work on? Should I make an edit to my userpage every once in awhile, or perhaps fix a comma splice just so that people know I'm still participating?

Your comment, while obviously true on its face, was uncivil in its context. Please remove it. Sincerely, ➪HiDrNick! 07:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to remove it...there is nothing unusual about tagging or questioning contributions to a contentious Rfa or deletion vote when an editor shows up after not editing for awhile. It is not incivil in the least and if you had a higher participation level, you would see that this happens quite frequently.--MONGO 07:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 Your comment, while obviously true on its face, was uncivil in its context.  Please remove it.  Sincerely, &#10154;[[User_talk:HiDrNick|<span style="color:#CC3300">Hi</span><span style="color:#0088FF"><b>DrNick</b></span>]]! 07:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 :Feel free to remove it...there is nothing unusual about tagging or questioning contributions to a contentious Rfa or deletion vote when an editor shows up after not editing for awhile. It is not incivil in the least and if you had a higher participation level, you would see that this happens quite frequently.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 07:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-== Mongo, have you been 'canvassing' with email? ==
-<B> That's what you're accused of, Mongo. </B>
-"Alright, well at first I was thinking about keeping this private but since MONGO went ahead and plastered accusations on ANI of opposers canvassing I shall tell you that I received an e-mail from MONGO asking for support for Crockspot's RFA yesterday.
-At first I was thrown off by this, a letter from MONGO himself? How does he know me? Stumped by this I went back and checked and it seems I voted to support MONGO in his original RFA in 2005. How naive I was back then! But then again I didn't know much about MONGO back then, in fact I didn't really know much about policy and Wikipedia itself though.
-Anyway, I went ahead and voted support to see if my vote would be caught and struck as being from an "inactive user", but it seems it wasn't, big surprise. If MONGO just wasn't so confrontational things wouldn't blow up to such dramatic levels. I think MONGO means well or at least meant well at one point, but the numerous trolls and vandals have conspired to rob him of his good will and sanity. I daresay such is the fate of any person who becomes ingrained within the Wikipedia power structure.
-MONGO, if you are reading this, just give up on Wikipedia. Long ago I tried to edit errors as they appeared, but there was always another error and another and another to eat up my time, and for what purpose? To get a free encyclopedia together for every person in the world? Call me disillusioned but I just don't see that vision coming to fruition ever with the current power struggles and conflict within Wikipedia and the various factions.
-Oh and did poor MrGibblets really deserve a ban? I made the same mistake of linking to WR once, but I survived somehow, SlimVirgin simply gave me a warning." << (that is a quote from another site) [[User:Bmedley Sutler|Bmedley Sutler]] 08:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-:Where is this from?--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 09:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-::I'm wondering that, too. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 09:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::It's from WR...the mostly banned monkey's there are having a field day.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 09:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-::::Except for the person who posted it isn't banned are they? They are a Wikipedia editor in good-standing aren't they? That's how you contacted them isn't it? Or they just made it up about you to be mean? I expect you to say. All the complaints about you and your RW friends are lies or don't matter. Right? Good night everyone. [[User:Bmedley Sutler|Bmedley Sutler]] 09:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::::So we're having unsubstantiated accusations of offsite canvassing, based on offsite canvassing... I see. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 09:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-::::::I'll get the diffs ready as soon as I can to demonstrate that Bmedley is a ban evasion.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 09:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::::::If he is a sockpuppet, I suppose it is not necessary, but I was considering opening an RfC on [[User:Bmedley Sutler|Bmedley Sutler]].  What do you think?  [[User:Ursasapien|Ursasapien]] <small>[[User talk:Ursasapien|(talk)]]</small> 10:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-::::::::The charges of SevenOD being a sockpuppet went so well too. What is it now? The record? 0 for 6?  'Bring it on' as Mr. 25% says! Mongo, I am expecting a email with 'headers' -  your email with alleged 'canvassing' from someone later today. Should I email it to an administrator first (I think Viridae?) or just post it here? What to do? [[User:Bmedley Sutler|Bmedley Sutler]] 11:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-So what's the answer to the actual question? are you canvessing offsite for a RFA? --[[User:Fredrick day|Fredrick day]] 12:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-: So you're here questioning MONGO about a charge where no evidence has been presented, but you rejected the evidence of actual offsite canvassing that I posted on my rfa talk page? - [[User:Crockspot|Crockspot]] 12:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-:: where have I rejected such evidence? please provide a diff to that effect?  --[[User:Fredrick day|Fredrick day]] 12:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
-::: Looks like you already found it. Thanks for taking another look. - [[User:Crockspot|Crockspot]] 12:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)