Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard

Proposed Christian Eschatology Workgroup

I would like to propose creating a workgroup to cover [[1]] and related subjects. This page in particular is missing a lot of sources and needs a lot of work. Seeing as it's a super-important subject to Christian theology I think it would be good if some members of this project would climb aboard and improve these articles. Thoughts? Kristamaranatha (talk) 00:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The existing Core Topics work group has very little activity, but I will add this subject to its focus. -- SECisek (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It does have 363 articles, but about 80 of those are about the Left Behind books, and many of the others relate to particular groups, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, so I'm not sure there's really enough content to justify a separate group. John Carter (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I think adding eschatology to the Core Topics section is sufficient. Theology of the end times is vitally important to the Christian faith, but it's true that there aren't as many articles on it than other subjects - I would say maybe a dozen or so address the Christian perspective. Still I have found that most of these are poorly written, which is why I addressed the concern. Thanks for adding it to the Core Topics. I hope all these areas get picked up and fixed up in a way that honors our faith. Kristamaranatha (talk) 03:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a way to jump-start the Core Topics workgroup? These issues are really important and their readers deserve to have good, complete and coherent articles written about them. Kristamaranatha (talk) 00:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Coordinators?

As some of you might have noticed, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history seems to be one of the most effectively run projects out there, with its recently elected 9 coordinators. Wikipedia:WikiProject Films and Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels are currently engaged in finding coordinators for their projects. Do the rest of you think it would be a good idea to have such coordinators here as well? John Carter (talk) 16:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if possible. I am uncertain how many editors are active here, although it seems to have picked up lately. -- SECisek (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

One thing we could do would be to try to get "coordinators" from not only this project, but the various other Christianity projects as well. So, maybe, individuals from the Anglicanism, Lutheran, Catholic, Latter Day Saints, Eastern Orthodox, and other related projects could be asked to run as well. That way, we'd probably get more active coordination of all the Christianity projects. Military History has nine coordinators, I think we could probably use that many here as well. John Carter (talk) 18:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I am in favor and would volunteer to help out. -- SECisek (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I oppose, for I disagree with hierarchy in Wikipedia, including some people's thoughts that admins are part of a hierarchy. I dabble around in numerous WikiProjects as I see needs. Royalbroil 23:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC) (WikiProject Christian music)

It should be noted that, like with Military history, there is no real "advantage" to anyone to being a "coordinator", although some people might give them for whatever reason a bit more respect than others. The coordinators are, simply, the ones who try to keep the day-to-day details of the project functioning. Elections tend to take place, like recently with Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels, to ensure that people who haven't yet demonstrated any competency in that regard don't get stuck in positions they haven't demonstrated they can handle. Basically, such people would be responsible for indicating that peer reviews or A-Class reviews are requested, ensuring portals are kept up, and the like. There is no real extra benefit to any coordinator positions, beyond any respect a person who is selected for such a position by election, if it comes to that, probably already to a degree has. John Carter (talk) 23:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I would support such an idea as outlined, but it would have to be clear on the role of the coordinators. It is well established that there are several editors who are sensitive about "their" WikiProjects and article pages. If the coordinators role is not clear you'll basically end up with another WikiProject Council; a lot of great ideas and eager workers, but no real effectiveness. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 13:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Coordinators gives a fairly good layout of what coordinators can and cannot do, and I think it would serve as a reasonable model. John Carter (talk) 21:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I am in favor of assigning or electing coordinators for various areas. I think it helps to organize the task, which is good when dealing with a subject area as huge as Christianity. It also helps people know who to talk to if they have questions or issues in the different areas in this Wikiproject. For example if someone has a question about assessments/core topics/baptist articles, they can ask the assessments/core topics/baptist coordinators. This can also help because some people are gifted administrators and are good at organizing and assigning willing volunteers to work on certain areas, while others are good volunteers who work well under a little guidance. It also helps those volunteers know what they can help with, again because Christianity is such a large area to work with. Kristamaranatha (talk) 00:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've been a bit bold (other words probably apply as well, but I won't use them) in setting up a page detailing the responsibilities of the coordinators at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators and a page for current nominations at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1. I've purposefully left the number of positions to be filled vacant depending on the number of potential candidates, although I do hope to have at least three and, if possible, more. John Carter (talk) 18:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Nominated myself - Tinucherian (talk) 06:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

John Carter, I do like bold. However, I am confused by the elections page. As I read the page I note:

• Nominations accepted until April 30th --
• Don't vote until nominations close. --
• Be sure to vote by April 11 --

Nominations to be co-ordinators of what sections of the project? I just find it puzzling. Perhaps the areas of the project that are seen as priorities might be identified and "work teams" for those priorities be open to sign up, before coordinators get elected? I wonder if this is too much organization for a wiki. As for me, I am living In my own little world, working to improve the article Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the related articles that impact its stability. ( and I note I have spent 30 minutes of editing time here! I think I am nuts. In its own way, it is funny! Sorry, my friends. and I note that it is already too late to vote!) John Park (talk) 00:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Is the voting started ? - Tinucherian (talk) 02:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes

An infobox was made for leaders of the orthodox church, but I want to find a better color than the yellow that orthodoxy has been assigned (It can be changed since it has not been implemented yet) (see Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes/Society#Religious_leaders). When you think of the Orthodox Church, what color do you think of? Please leave your responses at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Eastern_Orthodoxy#Infobox Grk1011 (talk) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Churches of Christ

The above article has recently been protected as a result of a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents#Today's theology lesson. A few more eyes to watch the page, and maybe help try to improve it in a way which all parties might find acceptable, would be very, very welcome. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 17:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, that IS a mess. Still, there is no way around it: the church has rather young roots. -- Secisek (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

This one I am watching closely. The Edit protection ended a couple of days ago. The article I am editing, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) shares common roots, but has not been related for over a century. However, some of the enthusiasts of the Churches of Christ still see themselves as a branch of the Disciples. I agree that a few more eyes here will help focus the task on telling their story.John Park (talk) 01:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Expanded infobox template: {{Infobox church/sandbox}}

Following a discussion at "Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 February 21#Template:Infobox churches and cathedrals" where it was proposed that the templates {{Infobox church}}, {{Infobox churches and cathedrals}} and {{Parish church}} be merged, I've created a prototype merged template for discussion at {{Infobox church/sandbox}}. The documentation for the template is at Template:Infobox church/doc. Your comments and help with improving the template are welcome – please discuss the matter at the Infobox church talk page.

If everyone is happy with {{Infobox church/sandbox}}, then {{Infobox church}} can be replaced with that template and the templates {{Infobox churches and cathedrals}} and {{Parish church}} nominated for deletion. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 13:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The new templete looks fine. The other two can be deleted. - Tinucherian (talk) 15:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I assume the pages with the other infoboxes will get the new one? Grk1011 (talk) 16:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The proposed template makes use of multiple parameter names for certain fields (e.g., "name" and "church_name") to minimize the effects of old templates being deleted. However, in general the articles that have used those templates will have to be manually updated by the editors who have those articles on their watchlists.

There's been a new development – someone has proposed converting the draft infobox template at {{Infobox church/sandbox}} into a template that can be used for all places of worship. We would like your views on whether you think this is a good idea, and if you are able to help identify parameters that would be relevant to the religion that your WikiProject deals with. Do join the discussion taking place at "Template talk:Infobox church". — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 03:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I personally prefer to have different infoboxes for different religions to avoid cluttering of lots of paramaters. Most of the paramaters for infobox for diferent religions varies and hence there is no need to club them together to a single infobox - Tinucherian (talk) 05:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea that's true. Could there be a line that changes the color of the infobox? because the infoboxes for the leaders of these religions have dif colors based on that religion. Grk1011 (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

ChristianityWikiProject: Articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently 44 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Digital Patrologia Latina

May be of interest: there is a digital edition of Migne's Patrologia Latina available, along with a whole lot more material at www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/_index.html which may be of interest. In Latin of course. Someone (probably) associated with that project has been adding links to the relevant articles. Seems unobjectionable to me, but this has caught the eye of the ever-vigilant spam monitors, and here we are. This could be usable for inline cites, for further reading sections, to create bibliographies for Medieval Latin religious writers, etc. Hope this is useful, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Buddhism and Christianity

This article, affiliated to this project, seems to give far too much prominence to fringe theories, eg origins of Christianity influenced by Buddhisam, Jesus visited India &c. Peter jackson (talk) 10:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The Iowa Band

I was pleased to see a speedy response to my request re Wesleyism. My next request requires a bit more work! Please see this proposal for an article on a 19th century missionary group. Does Iowa in the 1830s count as the "wild west"? -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Crucifixion of Jesus

Presently there is no Crucifixion of Jesus article, though there are about 40 articles on the "last week" - even a fairly extensive Crucifixion eclipse article. The closest to Crucifixion of Jesus is Death and resurrection of Jesus - but the only content on the crucifixion there seems to be the purported miracles associated with the crucifixion. Please see Talk:Death_and_resurrection_of_Jesus#Requested_Move --JimWae (talk) 04:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Prophecy

I'm not sure how to get an article linked to this project. But the article of Prophecy could certainly do with some help.

It is already linked to various projects, WikiProject Charismatic Christianity, WikiProject Religion, WikiProject Bible, and WikiProject Judaism.

However, there needs to be a good balanced Christian view point. It appears that in general the past the article has been hijacked to a predominantly Jewish POV and then a predominantly Christian POV. But I personally think it needs a lot of balance, but with some good solid Christian input.

I look forward to your thoughts Paulrach (talk) 22:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Added to WikiProject Christianity. Looks like the article needs lots of cleanup - Tinucherian (talk) 05:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I have been working on this article trying to improve all aspects of it. Yesterday I made big changes to the Christian perspective of prophecy. Today I find that this article has now been radically changed by an Administrator with his own religious view point. He has changed this article to the 'experience of prophecy' though not in title and has watered down everything on Christianity. He has also blocked this article. I am not sure what to do now! There has been no discussion as to the nature of the article just one individual crusade.

• Can Administrator behave this way?
• Should the article be redefined?

Paulrach (talk) 06:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Please help! As Paulrach points out, this article is being radically changed at this very moment. I have a feeling several people will be needed to find NPOV citations and have graceful content disputes. TrickyApron (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church Peer Review

Roman Catholic Church has been listed at Peer Review. Editors are anxious to get this to FA status, so please help review the article and leave comments. Karanacs (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Monthly Newsletter

Monthly Newsletter for this project is long overdue. The last one was for Aug 2007. Shouldnt v restart it ? Comments ??? - Tinucherian (talk) 06:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done : The April 2008 issue is now circulated to the talk pages of the members -

Elections

Should there be an announcement on the main WikiProject Christianity page that announces these elections? I've noticed that no one is participating except for those of us who were involved in the original discussion on this talk page. Maybe some project participants haven't read the discussion and providing a link to the election would be helpful. Kristamaranatha (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. you are right...One of the non-contestants in the election may inform the talk pages of all the members or even can put a small banner on the project main page - Tinucherian (talk) 02:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. I put up a statement about the elections on the main project page under the introduction part. I don't know anything about making banners or templates, so it's just text. Hope that's good enough to get people's attention. Kristamaranatha (talk) 19:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done : The news is there on the latest newsletter (April 2008) in the talk pages of the members - Tinucherian (talk) 05:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Simple English Project

If it interests anyone, a Christianity WikiProject has been started on the Simple English Wikipedia. It is located here. --Andrew from NC (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Trinitarian Universalists

Could someone with more knowledge of subject than myself take a look at the above list. Is it needed and if so is it controvesial enough to need sources for each person?Bsnowball (talk) 09:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Pier_Luigi_Farnese,_Duke_of_Parma

Could someone have a look at this article: Pier_Luigi_Farnese,_Duke_of_Parma. It seems to contain quite some abuse and facts may need to be cross-verified. --Jacob.jose (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

A good deal of vandalism has crept in over the years. I'll fix it. -- Secisek (talk) 20:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Christianity in China work group

Some Wikipedians have formed a project to better organize information in articles related to Christianity in China. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this project will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians. The goal of this WikiProject is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity in China available on Wikipedia. As a group, we do not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but see to it that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

If you'd like to join and become a part of this project, sign the proposal page.

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WikiProject Christianity is currently undergoing elections to choose project coordinators. All members are invited to participate. To review the open spots and their duties, see here. To nominate someone or vote, go here. Nominations are open until April 30.

I volunteer to create and setup pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Christianity in China work group over this week - Tinucherian (talk) 03:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Christianity Project Newsletter delivery

By now, most of you have received the April 2008 Issue of the project newsletter on your talk pages. For uniformity and to avoid issues with the bots on automated delivery , we have created a new list for all memmbers here. By default all members may receive full content delivery on their talk pages ,whenever a new issue comes out. If you would prefer, you may choose to have the contents delivered to you as Link only content or to not receive the newsletter in any form.If so, please remove your name from the Full content Delivery list and add to Link content Delivery or No delivery sections here. - Tinucherian (talk) 10:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

WP Signpost on FAC and FAR/C reviewing - REVIEWERS NEEDED

The Featured Article and Reatured Article Review processes have put out a call for reviewers. Any editor can review an article and contribute to consensus on whether that article is of FA status. Several Christianity articles have been promoted to FA status recently, and if we'd like to continue adding to that number it might be wise to give back and help review at FAC. This week's Signpost Dispatch, located at

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches

, explains the advantages of being a reviewer and details the aspects of reviewing that are critical to maintaining WP's high standards. Hope to see some new faces at FAC or FAR soon! Karanacs (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Good article list

How can the Ravi Zacharias article get on the good article list on WikiProject Christian's main page? I made the cut, just doesn't appear on our list yet. Thanks Kristamaranatha (talk) 00:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Added to the main project page in the GA articles section - Tinucherian (talk) 02:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! This is my first good article, and we saved it from deletion, so I'm a bit proud of it Kristamaranatha (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Well done , Kristamaranatha . Hope to see more GA articles from you in future . The article is also selected for Portal:Christianity in India - Tinucherian (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Indian Christianity Wikiproject/workgroup

Upon discussion and consensus ( see here) , The following changes and decisions were taken w.r.t to Indian Christianity workgroup :-

• The scope of workgroup will be limited to Indian region only for now.
• The workgroup will be renamed to Christianity in India instead of Indian Christianity.
• The changes will effect the project pages, Portal and the templates.
• The templetes will be replaced by a Indian map instead of Tricolor flag picture.

This is FYI - Tinucherian (talk) 04:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Indian Christianity Portal

I tried to put the Indian Christianity Portal in the Related Areas section on the Project Page. The text is fine but what have I done wrong with the Image? I followed the correct formatting. Kathleen.wright5 15:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

 Done - The reason is that there is no image in that name. The usual image we use for this protal is Image:Nasrani menorah.JPG . Fixed the issue now - Tinucherian (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Project coordinators

This project is currently undergoing elections to choose project coordinators. All members are invited to participate.
To review the open spots and their duties, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Christianity/Coordinators.
To nominate someone or vote, Please go to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Christianity/Coordinators/Election_1.
Nominations and voting are open until April 30 , 2008. - Tinucherian (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Anglicanism portal

Portal:Anglicanism is up for Featured portal candidate discussion. Your comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Anglicanism. --Secisek (talk) 18:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Azariah Southworth

New article. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

DYKs

My current activity involves finding the christianity related articles from the DYK archives, adding them to DYK section in the main project page , adding {{ChristianityWikiProject}} banners to the talk pages of those articles and assessing them. To my surprise I was able to find lots of GA level articles in them, raising our GA article count from 44 to 51 , by now. I am going in descending order of archive pages and have collected DYK articles till Wikipedia:Recent additions 201 . - Tinucherian (talk) 06:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The more GA's and DYK's we get, the more options we have for the portals. Thank you very much, sir. John Carter (talk) 19:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Important work, indeed. --Secisek (talk) 21:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the appreciation - Tinucherian (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Backlogs

These are all cold cases so don't take the listing at face value; things may have changed since the tag was placed or the tag may have always been inactionable. Figuring out exactly why the tag was placed may require investigation. Check the history around the date given on the tag.--BirgitteSB 19:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Category:NPOV disputes Please read Wikipedia:POV Cleanup as a refresher.
  • Christian terrorism
  • Saint Mar Yosip Khnanisho X
  • List of United States Presidential religious affiliations
  • A. R. Bernard
  • Martyn Lloyd-Jones
• Category:Orphaned articles Refresher at Wikipedia:WikiProject Orphanage#What can I do to help?
  • Sanctuary Christian Ministries Speedy delete as advertising
  • Eric Gallagher Fixed
  • Central Dallas Ministries prod: not notable
  • Festival of the Arts in Ministries Speedy delete as advertising
  • Faith and Film Critics Circle Awards 2005 prod: no context
• Category:Articles that may contain original research As these should have reasonable notification times find a source that will show the info to not be OR or move the questionable material to the talk page with a notes about sourcing.
  • Infant baptism
  • George Washington and religion Header tag removed with request for individual citation tags.
  • Lord's Prayer
  • Church of Ireland, Carrigrohane
  • The Passion of the Christ
• Category:Merge by month See Help:Merging and moving pages for assistance if you need it.
  • John the Baptist (Caravaggio) It seems that this was done some time ago
  • Host (Holy Communion) Redirected
  • Predestination
  • The Protestant Reformation and Germany Redirected
  • The Medici at San Lorenzo Redirected

Assessment of the article William Melmoth

I had assessed this article as Start Class. The author of the article , Geogre was not happy (taken it as an insult , infact) and changed it to B class . See here . Interestingly the person is an administrator also. I left a note on his talk page here. Requesting comments - Tinucherian (talk) 07:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)