Talk:Ana Ivanovic

Best Serbian player?

Best serbian tennis player ever! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ManiaC (talk • contribs). 21:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

She isn`t, if you look statistics. Best is, by far Jelena Dokic. :))) --Göran Smith 21:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Jelena Dokic is just Serbian-Born tennis player...i must remind you that she was playing for Australia.By the way: Ana Ivanovic is best looking tennis player too :) ManiaC 00:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Dokic has flown the flag for Australia and for Yugoslavia, and also its successor Serbia & Montenegro. Not being the biggest of tennis fans, I am not sure whom she currently represents. It means very little anyhow because tennis is an individual sport in which the country celebrates if their national representative wins a final, particularly against a different national. Not like two Australians playing in the final and thinking "ah, let's not try too hard, we as Australia have won anyway!". Jelena Dokic was born in Osijek; that was Yugoslavia at the time of her birth, and Osijek is actually in Croatia. I believe that Serbian is her ethnic affiliation. So when one speaks of a Serbian tennis player, they perhaps mean the ethnicity rather than statehood; as such, this could mean Alex Bogdanovic of Great Britain, but not Monika Seles, who despite having represented Yugoslavia and came from Serbia, is infact Hungarian. It's a case of give and take here. Evlekis 18:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Евлекис

The best Serbian-born player ever is Monica Seles, but she played for Yugoslavia and USA. The best player ever who played for Republic of Serbia is Jelena Jankovic. So, both Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Dokic are not best in any way. Vanjagenije 18:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This depends on your criteria for "best Serbian tennis player". If you compere all accomplishments (rank in singles, rank in doubles, singles titles, doubles tittles, win/loss statistics). When Seles was on her career high (1991-93), she played for Yugoslavia and she is from Vojvodina (present SERBIA); and Dokic, also ... she was on her career high when she played for Yugoslavia, she is Serbian who lived in Serbian, not Montenegro. In conclusion, no one can add "...she is best Serbian player ever", because that wouldn't be from neutral point of view. --Göran Smith 19:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

the best player from Serbia(Yugoslavia) is Monica Seles... Dokic was never no 1 in the world.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.200.241.70 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 12 June 2007.

With her 1990 victory at French Open, Monika Seles is the first person from Serbia (at that time Socialist Republic of Serbia/Yugoslavia) who won a Grand Slam. Serbia did not start to exist with the latest Republic of Serbia. Serbia has existed before in Yugoslavia as a Socialist Republic of Serbia. I don't know if Monika is still citizen of Republic of Serbia (with USA residence and citizenship) but likely she still is. Therefore this is yet another argument that you can not even say that Ana Ivanovic is a first women from Republic of Serbia who won a Grand Slam. However it is also not correct to say that Ana Ivanovic is a first person who won a Grand Slam while competing for a Republic of Serbia, since tennis players in Grand Slam tournaments are not competing for their countries (this is not a Davis Cup). They compete for them self only. Of course it is not correct to say that "Sales is the first Serbian women" since Sales is a Hungarian. But in USA and some other countries they say American, Canadian etc. even if they citizen may declare them selfs as South Indian, Mexican, English, German etc. My suggestion is therefore, with respect to Sales, to totally remove this topic "who is the first" from the Article. One more comment for Ana's fans. No question asked that Ana is a great player, but keep in mind that Sales have won 8 Grand Slam titles prior to her 20th birthday, same age as Ana has won her first one. Because of that and menu more other things we need to respect Sales much more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.198.252.224 (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Improvements?

What can we do to improve this article? Let's get it to FA status :) // Laughing Man 21:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be hard, because she is still an active player, and there is no FA tennis article, so we wouldn't have an example for FA. What do u think we should add? (btw, I think Jelena Dokic is more FA material, because there is more text about her) --Göran Smith 21:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess I was volunteering to help, but not sure what could be done. :) // laughing man 00:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Another image? What is going on! Still, we see more of her thighs in each one and I think I can live with that!!!! :) Evlekis 18:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah! This one looks way better! Ana is so pretty! Please keep this one! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.8.16.83 (talk • contribs) 11:52, April 23, 2007.

I like the newer one since you can actually see her face :) The other one looks out of place, maybe move it over (small) and put in the US Open section? // laughing man 20:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

done. // laughing man 15:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Expanding the lead, creating a personal life section and adding references would be a good start.--Crzycheetah 08:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Picture is nothing special. Could we have one where her face is visible more ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.228.73.11 (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the older picture of Ana was better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratazana (talk • contribs) 02:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Ordina Open

Changed the name s'Hertogenbosch to 's-Hertogenbosch and made it link to the Ordina Open tournament. Even though this tournament is locally referred to as Rosmalen, I think this is the tournament internationally referred to as 's-Hertogenbosch. Else Ana lost again to Hantuchova... Please change if I'm wrong. Gidi70 07:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Editorial?

I like Ivanovic as much as the next person, but this page is VERY editorialized. How about just reporting the facts without putting personal spin on it. Agrippina Minor 22:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Updating

Her prize money just went up after the Australian Open, i'd change it but i don't know if someone else already periodically adjusts these things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waht (talk • contribs) 13:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Picture

The older picture gives the reader a poor means of identification. Somebody has already raised this concern. Pictures further down the page can show her playing tennis if that's perceived as beneficial; the top photo should help the audience in identifying the player. She's hardly an obscure player, I know, but not everyone who comes to this page will be familiar with her. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion concerning this article

A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you, Redux (talk) 05:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

first Serbian player?

Though the press are reporting that Ivanović is the first Serbian number one and woman grand slam winner, I would argue that Monica Seles is actually the first Serbian to do these. - Phildav76 (talk) 07:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, given that Seles represented Serbia, and was Serbian. She only later played under U.S. Hxseek (talk) 08:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Even worse, the lead-in states that she's the second Serbian woman to be ranked #1 (after Seles), but that she's the first Serbian woman to win a grand slam title (which I'm sure would come as a surprise TO Seles). The question of Seles' nationality for this purpose needs to be resolved, but for now I'm changing that statement so it's not a self-evident contradiction. JFMorse (talk) 09:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

That's odd... If Monica Seles is a Serbian, then how come her last name doesn't end in "ić"? Chimchar monferno (talk) 14:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Monica Seles is Serbian as in she's from Serbia, but she is not ethnically a Serb, but rather a Hungarian. And not all Serb names end in "ić" such as Nikola Tesla and Vojislav Koštunica - Phildav76 (talk) 22:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I am Serb, and my last name is not ended with "ić". Vanjagenije (talk) 13:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Seles never represented Serbia. Still, she should be in Category:Serbian tennis players, but she isn't. At least it's consistently wrong: if Tesla is a "Serbian inventor", then Seles can't be a Serbian tennis player. Of course, Tesla is a Serb inventor, not a Serbian inventor. Basis for categorization is nationality, not ethnicity. GregorB (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The name of this article should be changed to "Ana Ivanovic" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, which are the Women's Tennis Association and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language websites of Fed Cup, the US Open, Wimbledon, the French Open (Roland Garros), and the Australian Open. Tennis expert (talk) 07:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Evidence

Comment by User:Yano: Currently, this article diverges from all reliable sources. The body of evidence suggests that the preferred rendering of this name is "Ana Ivanovic." That evidence is provided below, including the subject's official website, official tennis organizations, major sports media, and a small selection of general media, as the average query yields hundreds of agreeable results. Unless an equal amount of evidence is turned up to prefer the current spelling, this article should exist at "Ana Ivanovic." --Yano (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Official Site and Organizations

• Official Website
• Women's Tennis Association
• International Tennis Federation

Official Events

• Australian Open
• Wimbledon
• US Open
• Roland Garros
• FedCup

Sports Media

• Sports Illustrated
• ESPN
• BBC Sports
• NBC Sports
• Fox Sports
• Tennis News

General Media

• Reuters
• International Herald Tribune
• The New York Times
• Daily Telegraph
• The Independent

Comment by User:Admiral Norton: The proposed move would introduce diverging from all editing patterns on Wikipedia and diverging from common sense. Is it incorrect to use a person's real name? How can {{foreignchar}} be inadequate in this place? Admiral Norton ^(talk) 13:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Survey

• Support - English language rendering of her name, so WP:UE 76.66.196.229 (talk) 05:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - general practice is to include diacritcs in the name where they exist, and to have a non-diacritic-including re-direct. Other recent discussions about tennis players have supported this view. - fchd (talk) 06:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - Recent tennis discussions, such as Marko Djokovic and Novak Djokovic, have actually been in favor of common usage. There is consensus on Wikipedia to use the prefered rendering of a name, which in this case is Ivanovic. --Yano (talk) 12:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. This is neither English, nor correct, just a media-supported distortion of her real name, leading to incorrect pronunciation. Also, except for the Đoković brothers, there are no cases of this "rule" of Yano's being used whatsoever in articles about Serbian people. The so-called "preferred rendering" is nothing more than the laziness of journalists and typists that entered popular culture. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 13:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Her real name is Ivanovic, per the sources. Unless you can provide as much evidence to the contrary, we have to go with the facts and with common usage. When this matter has been discussed in the past, the Wikipedia community has consistently favored the word of reliable sources. --Yano (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

You're seriously asking me to pull out her birth certificate? Also, could you explain why do the links sr:Ана Ивановић/sr:Ana Ivanović work and sr:Ана Ивановиц/sr:Ana Ivanovic don't? Admiral Norton ^(talk) 14:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm asking you to support your assertions with evidence, per WP:V, as I have done. --Yano (talk) 15:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

We both know there is no way for me to gain access to her legal documents, but I find the abundance of Ivanović and lack of Ivanovic in Serbian-language sources more than satisfactory here. Also, you have not answered my other question. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 23:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Her birth certificate is fairly immaterial in the face of demonstrated English usage. Just the like the birth certificates of William Blythe, Anthony Blair, Cherilyn Sarkisian, George Ruth Jr. have not resulted in Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Cher, and Babe Ruth being retitled to their "correct" names. As for Serbian language usage, nothing in this debate stops the Serbian language wikipedia from using Ivanović or anything else. This however, is English wikipedia, and the evidence you suggest should come from English usage.Erudy (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I just love how English turns into a "regulated language" or recovers its unregulated character depending on the POV it serves. As for the examples you cite, they all address other issues: colloquial hypochoristics and common pseudonyms, not the fact that the casual discarding of all diacritics at once in some English sources cannot be used as proof of Anglicization for any individual name. Dahn (talk) 02:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - What is this? Are we going to round up articles with ćčšđž, and on by one changed them, with the same arguments? First Djokovic, now Ivanovic... whats next? Jankovic, Ljubicic, Karlovic, Ancic, Ivanisevic? I strongly oppose this practice. OK, you say it is not English letters, then take up higher initiative to changed all čćšđž articles on Wikipedia, or all tennis articles, because you use the same arguments on all, and not just one you prefer. --Göran S (talk) 13:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support Demonstrated English language rendering of name. I ask that opposing voices present evidence that her name is rendered Ivanović in English. It is not wikipedia's duty to judge the moral validity or invalidity of spelling changes, but merely to record them. English spelling has undergone huge changes and will continue to do so, many times because of "laziness", changes of technology, and so forth. As is its right, the English speaking community regularly "domesticates" names both foreign and English, and we should follow the verifiable facts of English language, rather than correct them.Erudy (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose for the same reasons as all the similar requests that seem to be trickling through WP:RM at a rate of one or two per week. — AjaxSmack 17:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, and admonish proposer against these requests that are a waste of time for everybody who has to repeat ad nauseam the purpose of diacritics on Wikipedia. Húsönd 00:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - general practice here is to use local diacritics in the interests of accuracy, regardless of the distortions committed by the press in a diacritics-averse language. There's no reason to deviate from that principle, and really, let's give this game a rest for a while. - Biruitorul ^Talk 01:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - English sources in general casually omit diacritics everywhere, making no special exception for one name or another, so they establish virtually nothing. On wikipedia, where we have redirects and special tools to add, read and comprehend all diacritics, dropping for the sake of dropping them makes no sense. Furthermore, "ć" and "c" are different sounds in Serbo-Croatian et al., which carries the risk of (occasionally hilarious) misreadings. All other cases where this nonsense trend took over are regrettable and should be reconsidered, not taken as examples. Dahn (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This kind of votestacking is frowned upon and should not influence the closing admin's decision for consensus. --Yano (talk) 17:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Biruitorul knows that I have taken part in all such "let's drop the diacritics" debates in the past, and I have made my opinions clear for each and all to read. I find it disruptive and I believe it is very much frowned upon that the debate (which several editors above, much like me, indicate was repeated ad nauseam) is never centralized, that moves made quietly and against consensus are taken as precedents, and that arguments made against one instance are persistently ignored. Also, since this is a non-binding poll, and since number of votes doesn't matter over solid argumentation, there really is no harm done. Besides, I would have reached this page on my own sooner or later, because I quite often "stalk" Biruitorul, and he is well-aware of that. As for the argumentation: calling attention to deceptive marginalia instead of addressing the point indicates to me that the point was solid. Dahn (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice detective work there, Yano, but of course, Dahn has already confirmed there was nothing untoward in my message. Now, if you have a substantive rebuttal, I'm sure we'd all be glad to hear it. - Biruitorul ^Talk 19:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

No evidence, guidelines, or policies were cited. Unless you offer something to that effect, there is nothing for anyone to rebut. I understand you dislike the removal of diacritics, but your dislikes are not arguable points. --Yano (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you referring to my argument? If you are: WP:DEMOCRACY for the nature and use of polls. Since we have had so many variations of this poll by now, since it should be used with caution, and since it is neither binding nor a substitute for discussion, I hope you'll see why I think this relaunch is point-splitting, exhausting, predictable overkill. Dahn (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This page will be moved on the strength of evidence, not because of a poll. There is also consensus on Wikipedia to use the most common name for article titles (in this case, Ivanovic), and if you find undermining that convention on a case-by-case basis exhausting, then you can always choose to not take part in these matters. --Yano (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

If it's not clear: I contest the flawed and misleading interpretation of that supposed evidence; this type of argument was made in the other polls I was referring to, and in all of them was pointed out by many, of whom I was one. I'm sure I speak for all those who made it evident at the time, and ever since, when I say this "case-by-case" is exhausting and tricky. But I have made several other points, no matter how many times you chose to ignore them, and you've been re-posting variations of the same questionable assertion. So it's quite clear that, as far as our exchange goes, we're stuck. While others have their say and consider both our positions, and if nothing genuinely new comes up, I shan't be using any more space just to humor your notion of "case-by-case". Regards, Dahn (talk) 21:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - If the non-diacritic-ized name redirects here, I really don't understand why the hell English speakers shouldn't actually read in the title of this page how they should have typed the letter, unlike their lazy compatriot journalists. This is an encyclopedia, and an encyclopedia cannot misspell (which leads to mispronouncing of) names on the grounds of laziness. This is not a word that was absorbed in the English vocabulary, it's the name of that (really attractive) lady for chrissake! (By the same logic, should we call her "Anna" too?) NikoSilver 19:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support - per Erudy. We follow English usage, not attempt to correct it. Whether the use of "Ivanovic" is the result of laziness or technical limitations is completely irrelevant; we don't get to evaluate why English usage does certain things, and then disregard it when we disagree with it. Parsecboy (talk) 23:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Point one about the humorous part of my comment taken. Now tell us about the serious stuff: Like that this is a name and not a word which has made its way in to the English vocabulary, and like that it's misspelled and more importantly mispronounced from how she self-identifies. NikoSilver 10:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
    • That's totally irrelevant; here's a very well known of a well known individual with an Anglicized name: "Joseph Stalin", not "Iosif Stalin". English usage is English usage, and that is what we follow. Parsecboy (talk) 17:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. The idea that WP:UE mandates the usage of diacriticless, inaccurate and unencyclopedic names is nothing but the opinion of a minority of editors, some of whom apparently seem to not understand that continuously beating a dead horse is wasting other contributors' time. Verifiability is not an issue. Prolog (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
  • WP:UE doesn't mandate one way or the other; what it does state is that we follow demonstrated English usage. The numerous sources provided above, across a wide spectrum of media, clearly demonstrate preference to not use diacritics in this case. Parsecboy (talk) 17:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. We've been through this about nine million times; there's no reason to dumb down the correct name by omitting diacritics. —Nightstallion 00:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. Skipping diacritics in English text is not a tradition of the English language -- it's an unfortunate consequence of a long history of arrogance of English-speaking newspaper editors coupled with a long history of text transmission machinery incapable of going outside the 26-letter Late Latin alphabet that is used for English. We don't have the misfortune of having to read Wikipedia over Baudot' telegraphs, so we shouldn't restrict its titles to the restrictions of that, period. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Canvassing here. --Yano (talk) 00:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Informing other interested users in a neutral fashion of an ongoing debate is quite acceptable. After all, we can't all be expected to know what's happening on all Wikipedia pages at any given moment, can we? - Biruitorul ^Talk 02:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I think message is quite neutral. I just told Wiki project participants to tell their views, if they're interested; nothing more, nothing less. It's better to gather as much people as we can in this survey. --Göran S (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

You're contacting a biased group of people, and you were already warned about this during the Djokovic debate. Inappropriate canvassing does nothing to improve the discussion. --Yano (talk) 12:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

That message is a long, long way from canvassing, let alone inappropriate canvassing. Moves like this are often flagged up to WikiProjects, and often in a much more biased way than the message from User:Goran.S2. - fchd (talk) 12:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

grand slam winners (wta) related to Yugoslavia

quote: "In 2008, she became the first Serbian and third woman related to Yugoslavia ever to win a Grand Slam singles title (the others being Mima Jaušovec and Mónika Szeles) when she won the French Open, defeating Dinara Safina in the final."

actually, she is the fourth: mima jaušovec (maribor, slovenia, yugoslavia, 1GS), monika seleš (novi sad, serbia, yugoslavia, 8GS under the flag of YU and 1GS for USA), iva majoli (split, croatia, yugoslavia, 1GS) and ana ivanović (belgrade, serbia, yugoslavia, 1GS).

ana is second wta tour player born in serbia with GS title (serbia existed in that time too, as a constituent state of yugoslav federation, see SR Srbija and Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia). statistically, it is fair to state that ana is the second serbian-born GS-winner, put aside seles won vast majority of her grand slams (8 out of 9) under the flag of yugoslavia.

no doubts in seles hungarian ethnic backround, but her citizenship at a time was serbian/yugoslav, later american and now it seems hungarian. beeing a federation, yugoslavia had intern system of citizenships - being bosnian, croatian, macedonian, montenegrin, slovenian or serbian citizen, yugoslav citizenship was automaticly granted but there was a difference (not like in unitarian states). so, seles held serbian/yugoslav, majoli croatian/yugoslav, jausovec slovenian/yugoslav, ivanovic - serbian/yugoslav citizenship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.198.201.67 (talk) 21:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah there are plenty of people in the Vojvodina area who are Serbian but of Hungarian ethnicity. Many of those people would not have any historical roots within the land area of modern Hungary, even if they can speak Hungarian and have maintained their cultural links over hundreds of years. Same situation exists in western Romania, and one could argue in Switzerland (as well as in newer countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada where most sports achievers are from somewhere else either culturally or physically). Orderinchaos 02:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Cameltoe picture

I don't think you could find a worse picture for this site. Her labia is apparent through her skirt. It almost makes me wonder if this was done intentionally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Number1schumacherfan (talk • contribs) 16:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of the level of impropriety of the picture (I think it's fine, personally), Wikipedia is not censored, so not even Wikipedia policy would support the changing of the pic. Obviously, if a more up to date pic were to appear, that would probably replace the current one. – PeeJay 00:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

New Rankings

I notice that my removal of Jelena Jankovic as next number one WTA player was reverted. I know that as the results stand Jankovic would be number one. Even WTA website says that she'd be number one on Aug 11, but the rankings page still shows Ana as number one. What my point is, we should not take this upon ourselves to declare future ranking. It doesn't matter what was done in earlier cases, but at least the fact that you are writing a post-dated ranking should stroke your common sense. LeaveSleaves (talk) 02:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for wider input on discussion at Wikiproject tennis

Hi, there is an extremely long and muddled discussion going on at WP:Tennis about the tournament tables found on tennis player articles (i.e. this type of table). The dispute is over the "Tournament Name" column, with the options being to either use the "sponsored tournament name" - in other words, the name involving the sponsor, for example Internazionali BNL d'Italia - or the "non-sponsored tournament name" - in other words, Rome Masters. I appreciate that this conversation is very long and convoluted, so a brief summary can be found here, which is also where I request the discussion continues. Thanks, rst20xx (talk) 22:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Poor quality of many articles

See here for discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiclover565 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Place of birth

The article says: "Place of birth: Belgrade, Serbia, then SFR Yugoslavia"
Yugoslavia existed since 1929, and Serbia was a part of it. In 1991-1992, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, and Bosnia declared independence. The remaining republics of Serbia and Montenegro declared a new Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) in April of 1992. In 2006 Montenegro declared itself an independent nation. Since Ana Ivanovic was born in 1987, she was born in country of Yugoslavia, republic of Serbia, city of Belgrade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.143.204.102 (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)