Talk:Perilla (culinary)

Would some Wikipedian please add photos of shiso so those of us new to it can identify it in Asian markets? I keep finding something very close to it here in San Diego California, in such markets; however, even though the English tags call it a 'basil' or a 'mint' the rest of the tags are in Thai, Vietnamese or Tagalog since these markets are geared mostly to people from SE Asia. Thanks.

species vs genus

This article is (was) about the species for which Perilla is also the common name. Rather than changing the article, how about moving it to Shiso and creating a new one for the genus? -- WormRunner | Talk 17:49, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

It seems User:Ricardo Carneiro Pires has already made a Perilla frutescens article, which is a bit unfortunate since the interlanguage links are now split between the two articles. Most people will not realise there is a Japanese article on the subject. I suggest we either

1. insist that the culinary use article be considered the species article (which would either mean reverting Perilla frutescens to be a redirect toward Perilla, or moving the current content of Perilla to Perilla frutescens), or
2. we use interlanguage links indiscriminately if they only exist for either genus or species.

Wikipeditor 16:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Can skin contact with perilla cause dermatitis?

This here kibotext says there are Japanese pickled perilla buds/blossoms (as opposed to leaves or seed), and that leaves are called ohba (is this the article's aoba?). More interestingly, it says:

"I'm told cows won't eat wild perilla, and Asian workers who harvest perilla often get dermatitis from it."

Can anybody confirm this? – Wikipeditor 22:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I really doubt it. My mum recently picked a lot of perilla, but her hands are fine. You could say Korean perilla could might be different from Japanese perilla — a friend of mine who has lived in both Korea and Japan tells me they taste totally different — but I doubt it would be consumed in Japan if it can cause apparent health problems. --Kjoonlee 16:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Right. If it irritated your hand, it would irritate your mouth as well. Besides, I notice the chemistry section already informs the reader about the bovine consumption issue. Wikipeditor 16:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Additional photo

Shiso, potted

I have an additional photo available, showing growth form. It is included here, feel free to add to the article if useful. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Species

I'm afraid we need the help of an expert to insert a list of species into the article:

The commercial vendor [1] and the pop-up menu at [2] list many species, [3] lists "Perilla arguta; Perilla frutescens; Perilla fruticosa; Perilla nankinensis; Perilla ocimoides" and hort.purdue.edu says "[Apart from Perilla frutescens (L.) Britton, t]hree other Perilla species are recognized by some authorities, but the distinctions are ambiguous, and a taxonomic revision is needed." :( Wikipeditor 16:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Korea

I think there needs to be a source on "it is also known to cause disruption of lung and cancer". That's a pretty egregious claim

Agreed. I removed it pending a reference. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 11:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Perilla oil is used in a lot of different dishes in Korea. Why specifically mention dog meat soup at the end of the section? This last part doesn't really go with the rest of the section either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.132.202 (talk) 17:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia

This is completely different from kemangi, which is Lemon basil. I don't know if Perilla is common in Indonesia at all.

Agreed, I can't find any sources on the net asserting that selasih/kemangi is perilla, and I've never seen perilla in Indonesia (outside Japanese restaurants!). I've removed it. Jpatokal (talk) 04:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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AKA "sesame leaves"

I was reading a blog about Korean cooking (maangchi.com) where she refers to shiso in "kkaen nip jang ah jji" as "sesame leaves." At first I was confused, because I grow sesame as a midsummer cover crop in my garden, and sesame leaves look nothing like her pictures! So after a search, I learned kkaennip is actually shiso. Is the translation as "sesame leaves" common in the Korean community? If so, it could be listed with the other misnomers in the lead paragraph. 24.250.232.53 (talk) 05:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oops, disregard that comment, seeing as how I completely missed the whole paragraph on Korean usage. On the other hand, if it's that common, maybe it should be mentioned in the lead. 24.250.232.53 (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

On interwiki links

I'm sorting out interwiki links between this perilla-related articles across wikis:

• articles about genus Perilla
• articles about species Perilla frutescens
• articles about subspecies Perilla frutescens var. japonica known as 들깨(deulggae) in Korea and エゴマ(egoma) in Japan
• articles about subspecies Perilla frutescens var. crispa known in Japan as シソ(shiso) and 소엽(soyeop) in Korea

My bot's removals of some interwiki links[4][5] seem inappropriate at first, but the deleted links are about the genus Perilla -- they're about single species or subspeices belonging to Perilla, which makes them inequivalent to be linked each other. (Should've done it manually at the first time though.)

--Puzzlet Chung (talk) 10:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)