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Apology for the edit conflict on Community Ag.! Hope I didn't mess you up. I didn't know you were still working on it. -Will try later. Pollinator 05:24, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC) (Ain't this fun!)

Bestseller

I added the reference (Werther eau de cologne) on the bestseller talk page, as requested. Feel free to move it into the article proper if you feel it merits a note. Asav 13:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Delrina

Just wanted to thank you for your constructive criticism on this article. It didn't make it as a FAC, but will take some time to rework it and resubmit it again sometime in the future. Have added some comments to your reply if you are interested. Cheers! Captmondo 21:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Entree

At Organic food you wrote "marketing products like frozen entress and other convenience foods". Did you mean frozen starters or frozen main coarses? Entree means starter in non-US English, main course in US English. Reply not required - just clarify the article as you see fit, when or if you see fit. Jamesday 13:28, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Plant breeding

Hi, I like you additions to the plant breeding, another issue surrounding the decline in nutritional value of food the degradation of soil over that period(I'll look for some refs) which is more to do with farming techniques than breeding. Also could you include the details of the reference that you cited in the reference section of the article. Thanks--nixie 22:15, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on Organic food articles...

I just noticed you created the article on Albert Howard, and generally do work on organic food articles - we need more of these, thanks for your contributions. Keep on keeping on! JesseW 20:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hollaback Girl will be featured

Unfortunately Layla will disappear before Cool most certainly does. I now see that "Cool", besides a specific national anthem is the only featured article on a song that does not relate to The Beatles somehow. So that's why you don't think "Cool" deserves to be in the list — because its impact won't last as long, because Gwen Stefani is not a worldwide icon, and because things in the music industry worked differently back then. Well let me tell you that there's a reason it made it to its status: because it is a well-written, descriptive, informative and COMPREHENSIVE article about the song. End of discussion.

Oh, and no offense intended. Just attempting to make my point clear. --Hollow Wilerding 01:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas Corrigan FAC

Hi: I have expanded the Douglas Corrigan with the intent of addressing your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Douglas Corrigan. Does it yet merit your support? —Theo (Talk) 20:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bjørn Lomborg

Could you please take a look at Talk:Bjørn Lomborg (sect. 32.3) and give your view on the issue? I'm trying to remove a lengthy quote that's ruining the article. Thanks. Sir Paul 22:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like your style

Just thought you should know. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Céline Dion —again

Hi. Ive been trying to improve on the Céline Dion article, incorporating many of your suggestions. Could you take a look (please) and maybe offer advice and comments on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Céline Dion? Thanks in advance. Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 04:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your browser is causing some problems

I just caught your edit to Ido (talk · history · watch). You did a good job fixing up the spelling and grammar, but your browser also stripped out all non-ASCII characters from the page. This meant that all unusual letters, including IPA and interwiki links to Russian, Chinese and Japanese equivalent articles, were relaced with question marks. This means any page you edit with your current browser settings will be affected. Please could you do something about it! --Gareth Hughes 18:11, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

I didn't notice that heading issue on the sunset table... I appreciate you pointing it out :) Ta bu shi da yu 05:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I remember you ...

But I do not know where from. I remember seeing your name somewhere in articles where I have made contributions. I just came accross your name again in Raul's page where we discussed the quality of FA articles. I agree 100% with what you said. Cheers. --Anagnorisis 01:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chavez FAC

Hello. I've addressed all your specific and actionable objection points. Would you mind providing other examples? Thank you. Saravask 01:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've thoroughly copyedited the article. I'd appreciate a prompt response from you. Thank you again. Saravask 02:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I didn't mean to be rude. I really appreciate some comments after such a long period of no critique. It is just that the FAC is getting close on to seven days old. This is about the time that Raul654 designates FAs. Again, I appreciate your input whichever way this turns out. Thanks again. Saravask 03:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Browser reloads

I just needed to suggest that, if you are checking the text, you should reload your web browser every few minutes. This is because I am continuing to de-uglify the prose (even while you read). I don't want you to spend valuable time commenting on old revisions of the text. I've had such problems too. Thanks. Regards, Saravask 03:29, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We just finished the first round copyediting. It is now safe for you to examine. Thanks. Saravask 04:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Objection points

Hello again. I'd like to reiterate what you've stated your concerns are about the Chavez FAC:

Awkward writing.

I addressed all the specific examples you provided. I also did an extensive copyedit to search out and revise all long sentences, sentences with awkward clause/phrase order, awkward syntax, awkward use of dashes, commas, and semicolons. Please notify me if you spot significant remaining examples.

Excessive use of modifiers.

I remedied all examples you gave. In addition, I searched out mawkish or inappropriately toned modifiers. I toned down a significant number of phrases and words. I believe I got them all.

Lack of clear distinction between recollections/facts in the "Childhood" section's Harvard citations.

I believe I've remedied this full stop. Please let me know if my solution may be improved upon still further.

Revision of lead for clarity/background.

I've worked to address this. Again, please notify me if any aspects of the lead remain unsatisfactory.

I appreciate the work you've put into your comments. I am looking forward to your additional input. Thank you. Saravask 05:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Please, have you had a chance to examine the text yet? Thanks in advance. Saravask 14:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chavez FAC

This diff might help you in reviewing your vote. I have addressed all of your concerns, and I thus cannot find any other instances in the article where the points of objection still stand. Please raise the issue if other improvements (that I have missed) are needed. Thanks. Saravask 17:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blues

We have commented your objections to blues FAC. We would appreciate some feedback. Thanks. Vb 12:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 02:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The West Wing FAC

Just wanted to apogolize for giving you the third degree in The West Wing FAC. Your points about production, distribution, and marketing are very valid. I've just had a tough time with the FAC and was upset to see another objector. I'm sorry again, and I'm looking up the information you requested as we speak! I hope that with your help we will achieve FA status and set the bar at a new level for television FAs! -Scm83x 05:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We have added several new bits of information to the article concerning the points you were worried about. I hope that you will look them over and, finding them sufficient, will vote support on The West Wing FAC. Thank you so much! -Scm83x 18:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delrina Article Re-Submitted as a FAC

Just thought I'd let you know! Revamped article: Delrina, with more info, clarifying some points and highlighting the Berkley Systems Inc. v Delrina case, and (hopefully) thoroughly copyedited. A valued your comments last time so wanted to give you another chance to look it over. Here's its listing on the FAC page. Cheers! Captmondo 18:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Celine Dion

This is probably a bother, but could you please take another look at the Céline Dion article. Ive taken the comments at the last FA and have tried to address them: Ive found many print sources, about 4 Books, more authoritative reviews:New york Times, Billboard.com, Los Angeles Times etc. Ive addressed her music, changes in sounds/genres, motivation etc. at the end of each sub-section, and Ive also added a "Image and Celebrity status" section at the bottom. Ive sent it to peer review for two days, but no reply. Comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 02:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes (Hopefully) Made to Delrina FAC

Hello there. I've mentioned this on the respective FAC page for Delrina, but I believe I have addressed the issues that have been pointed by other users with regard to footnotes and references.

I appreciate your comments with regard citing the Hugo Chávez article as a reference for footnotes. It was odd to get a reference to an article that was not corporate in nature with a very different referencing system. As it turns out, a more direct and relevant reference probably would have been the Acorn Computers article, which was deemed to be of Feature Article quality in the past.

I guess my only real complaint about the FAC process in general is that it has become the de facto peer review, as people tend not to scrutinize articles in detail until they reach this area. Also, the inconsistent quality of comments -- such as the fellow who was tentatively objecting to the corporate template being there, which was a truly helpful and useful addition that came out of the peer review process. And yet if it stands, the article "falls".

And I realize that I blowing off steam at this point, but if this candidate article fails, I do not plan on resubmitting it as a possible FAC in the future. I think I spent less time justifying the finer points of my Masters thesis way back when! ;-)

Cheers! Captmondo 04:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

First Name

You're first name isn't Toby, is it? Jasmol 05:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. Ce n'est pas moi... --Tsavage 04:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia

I've responded to your questions about the article. Johnleemk | Talk 10:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Beethoven's Fifth

Hi—I'm very pleased to see your detailed objections to the renomination of this article; well done. Since I gave this one a drubbing first time around, I wanted to hold off. Really, doesn't Raul see that he's embarrassing himself? Apart from that, there's a potential conflict of interest involved; I think the process would be better if the judge distanced himself from it. (I might mention this on the page.)

I'm hoping that more WPians with critical/editing skills will hang around the FAC room to raise the standards of FAC and prevent signals being sent to all contributors that low standards are good enough (that's what happens when poor FA nominations succeed). Tony 03:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Tony. Sorry I didn't reply earlier (see my explanation in the note to HasBeen, below; I'm writing my way upwards). Thanks for the support. You know what they say about sticking one's head above the crowd, "Take care you don't get it shot off." So, support is well-taken when you're feeling the breeze in your hair... ;)

And, yes, the FAC Director position is just too murky and unsettling. The current argument seems to be that the miracle of WP permits a "safe" suspension of disbelief and acceptance that a person can actually act like "just another editor" in some cases, while also being solely responsible for FA and TFA, and an AbCom member. That's bizarre, and the guidelines for FA->TFA are, as far as I've found, non-existent. Not to get too Classic Rock here, but it could seem like shades of, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."...?

After two months, I'm having a bit of trouble justifying to myself my time on FAC, given the results. Mainly, it's the FA->TFA connection that gets me... Oh, well. Being a squeaky wheel can be thankless, but it has its own rewards...hopefully, once in a while. Later on...! --Tsavage 18:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FA Commercial Advertising?

Good Morning. I support the arguments you made in the CDion FA nomination, and would like to lend my support to any review procedure that you might become involved in over this issue. My name is apparently mud at the moment for AfDing a bunch of pop song entries that I considered to be blatant commercial advertising after finding Cool (Song) on page one, but it isn’t deterring me from commenting legitimately in FACs (yet…) I have brought this to the pump, but got heavily slapped down. Any suggestions? --HasBeen 08:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I had this idea that I'd stay out of..."backchannel" stuff relating to FAC, all the lobbying and whatnot that drives this place (not that that's anything but normal). In any case, I replied to Ta bu shi da yu below (Celine Dion), so, so much for that (but definitely no email, IM, IRC, ;)...

If you're interested, take a look at Wikipedia:Tomorrow's featured article/Proposal for improving TFA selection guidelines. It may address mutual concerns. I'd be interested in your comments... Later... --Tsavage 18:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good Morning

Hate to wake you up so early but... we hobbits have to get things done ya know ... what do you mean when you say "good morning"... do you mean to say it's a "good morning" or do you wish me a "good morning"? --hydnjo talk 03:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Unfortunately(?), I'm not Tom. You guys do look mighty happy... With me, it's at times one or the other, sometimes both (I recently did a quiz that said I'm a "post-modernist", so maybe that explains it)... Nice to meet you! :) --Tsavage 17:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Celine Dion article...

Heya Tsavage :-) I was wondering what we should do to get that Celine Dion article up to scratch. I guess what I'm asking is: at a bare minimum, what information about her music do we need to include in the article? Incidently, I have no axe to grind about this article (I'm not actually a fan), but I feel it would be a pity if User:Journalist, who spent a fair amount of effort on the article, wasn't made precisely aware of precisely what should be included. I think your suggestion has a great deal of merit, btw. That's why I'm going straight to the horses mouth!

I'm hoping we can all work together to get this up to scratch. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Ta bu shi da yu. You do seem quite "reasonable and level-headed" (famous last words? ;), so I'll reply. (I've been trying to keep out of "backchannel" stuff in relation to FAC, but I guess it's inevitable. I will, therefore, now also reply to Tony and HasBeen, above.)

Well, my objection about lack of a music section in Celine Dion still seems quite clear to me on the actionability scale. I don't have a precise format or template for such a section in mind, as in part, I imagine the information would somewhat vary by the artist (style of music, length of career, and so forth). I'd have to read it to strike. My objection expresses the general interpretation of FA criteria that, when looking up a singer in a thoroughly modern encyclopedia that is "comprehensive", one should be able to easily locate basic information about that subject's "tools of the trade". Here, that would include stuff like vocal range, training, stylistic quirks, evolution of singing voice over the years,... The examples, for Billie Holliday and The Edge, which were included, further clarify the point (perhaps a combination of both of those would be somewhat of a guideline). As it stands now, the CD article offers a biographical background, and an annotated discography (that relies mainly on pop media critics). That alone does not even address the "why" of her notability on any sort of technical level. It's like writing an article about a certain jet engine by only noting where it was built, who designed it, and what planes it was attached to, with no discussion of its design, its capabilities, its place in the world of jet engines... IOW, there is a "technical" side to most things, and that should be addressed as a matter of course. This, as I've noted, is simply what I consider a reasonable interpretation of the "great article" criteria for this topic. It can be dismissed procedurally, if the FAC Director finds it unreasonable...

As a side note, I'm curious as to how "helping Journalist" fits into your view of FAC. I'm all for being supportive, I work on actionability even when I think something should be quite clear as stated, and I have made changes to articles in FAC during their candidacy,. Still, I think there has to be a separation between FAC and generally being supportive and encouraging. Presumably, the FAC Director has left CD hanging so long so that things can maybe get worked out, but that is one person's interpretation of a much broader guideline. The FA criteria simply say the objections should be actionable, not that they're supposed to be fixed during the (one week) candidacy. That could equally be interpreted as a vetting mechanism to ensure valid objections, but not to encourage rewriting of articles on FAC. (I also noted this in my CD comments on FAC.) If FAC is to be not a sham, votes and opinions should be, for one, on a consistent (the same) version of an article, not one that has undergone dozens or hundreds of rushed edits, under pressure, serving (and often, byu) many editors, in a short period of time. That doesn't seem like a good way to promote quality, or even an efficient process... It's like asking you to sign a petition, with the caveat that the petition might be "reworded" above your signature. Being too "supportive" here therefore can (and, IMO, quite often does) become counterproductive.

A lot of this has, for me, to do with the FA->TFA connection. Holding FAs to the rigorous standards they claim is particularly important to me because these articles appear to many, many people on the front page. They should really be the best, not simply "almost there". At this stage of WP, with millions of dollars and probably the same in hours of labor going into it, we should be able to do better... Perhaps you'd like to glance at my fledgling TFA guideline proposal. (Well, there, I've crossed my line...) Sorry if I'm (at times :) a little WORDY: no passion, no interest, and I guess that's how I express it... --Tsavage 18:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Liebig

I normally delete items listed as speedies on sight, and the actual content obviously wasn't worth keeping. However, in this case, although it's not an alternative spelling, Leibig is a plausible mispelling - I have a chem degree, and I have to think which way round the "i" and "e" are. The article creator obviously had the same problem, so in this case I thought it was worth keeping a redirect.

I certainly don't think it was wrong to list it, and if you want to do so again, I won't interfere, jimfbleak 06:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting article improvement

User:Gadget850 has started User talk:Gadget850/BSA article improvements as a step toward improving the BSA section of Wikipedia. Please visit this page and participate if you are interested or cross yourself out of the "Interested Wikipedians" if you are not interested. Thank you. Rlevse 18:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on FAC!

For your efforts on WP:FAC and helping our FAs reach new levels of quality, I, User:Spangineer, award Tsavage the *Barnstar of Diligence*. Awesome work; keep it up! --Spangineer (háblame) 18:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know it's frustrating that your objections sometimes aren't taken seriously; it's happened to me too. But don't forget that your efforts have caused significant improvement in many different articles, and for that, Wikipedia is better off. Keep up the good work! --Spangineer (háblame) 18:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping with horticulture!

It's nice to get some comments on it... I'm not at all experienced in "advertising" a project on wiki. (Maybe I advertise here? Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening). I've historically been more of a web forum person, though I'm trying to get some friends from that end of the 'net to chip in! SB Johnny 16:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Céline Dion FAC

I know that you are frustrated with the passing of the article, as it seemed as if your objects were blatantly overlooked. I really dont know what to say...sorry maybe? Despite my "heatedness" over the matter, I actually respected your objection and how you have taken a sense of duty to the FAC process. I saw your question on the FAC director's page, and Im also curious about the answer.

However, my assertion that the article is "there" still stands, and I'm a bit happy that rough concensus was taken to promote the article. As much as there are some good voters, FAC nowadays are infiltrated with editors who are ignorant of manual of style and many other conventions and policies; people who just want to get a few edits in and be included in something. Many of them often take a "my way or the high way" attitude to their votes and suggestions, failing to arrive at compromises. People have different tastes, and as the policy states, there is no such thing as a perfect article. An article can always be improved, and "Celine Dion" will, but at its present state, it meets the FA criteria, and I believe thats why it was promoted. Im quite happy, as I was actually frustrated with the double standard people seemed to be taking to the article; it's on par with many other featured articles of the same nature. Sorry to be flooding you talk page like this. I have to go, but I will be on today at about 5-6 pm ET in case you want to continue. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 15:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to comment

I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Sorry fo the delay, but I just got back from a 12-day trip. Raul654 04:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers

Please review you opposition for Cheers! I just went through Toasting Cheers, the best source of information for the show, and added a nice Production section including information on the crew. Please let me know what else you want! Staxringold 14:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for striking out your object. What comments (specifically) do you feel like I still need to add/work on (hopefully to garner your support). :) Staxringold 02:32, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bulbasaur FAC

Right, I think that's all of those points. This is what has happened to the article. Regards, --Celestianpower ^háblame 21:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to explain my comments yesterday on the FAC: I did not want to get drawn into a long drawn out point-counterpoint - you made my point, I made mine, and there was not much more to add. I did not write the article, although I have copyedited it a couple of times, and I am not bothered very much about its subject matter. However, as I have said, I do think it is good enough, and I see an undercurrent of objections which I find hard to understand. Assuming you accept that the article could be featured, it would be interesting to know what you think should be added or changed. Compare Spoo for example.

I also wanted to say that I do not agree with Celestianpower's latest comments: I have assumed all the way through - and it is entirely apparent to me from your other contributions to FAC - that you are motivated by the best of intentions: to make our articles as good as possible. As I have said before, your standards may well be higher than mine. That is not a bad thing; however, I see the standards set by FAC reviewers rising relentlessly, so articles that would have been featured 6 months or a year ago are dismissed without a second thought, but articles that were featured then stick around; and, all the time, less than one article in a thousand is featured, but many of the other 999 are "good" articles. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm afraid that I stand by everything I've said so far. You have gone to 2 FACs currently and just totally ruined them. If I wasn't Admin Gen of Esperanza I'd both block you and call you all of the swear words under the Sun. You're objections are either lies or unactionable. You don't have the right to call the article "Mediocre, even crappy" when a teacher of English has given it the OK. He's much more qualified to object on these grounds as you are. If making me really upset and angry was your aim, you've certainly acheived it. --Celestianpower ^háblame 17:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Projectplace

Thanks for your help on the Projectplace article. Much better than the first entry I made that was just describing the service. --Zpeed 07:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chariot Racing FARC

Someone has added an intro to Chariot racing, could you take a look at the article and see if it still merits deletion? Andrew Levine 22:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogue

Just some advice: It might help if you avoid extended dialogue on Featured Article Candidates. I find it is better to get straight to the point, as people are less likely to read comments which go into the authors childhood, or habits of other editors, and so on. Thanks, --Colle|File:Locatecolle.gif|Talk-- 22:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Invasion

Hi. I've added a section on the applications of invasion strategy in terms of fourth generation warfare. (I've also cleaned up the fourth generation warfare article, and created new articles for the first,second, and third generations, since I don't like my articles linking to crappy stuff when I can help it).

I'm also planning to add the 2003 invasion of Iraq to the table, but I wanted to make sure that's in line with your suggestions before I do that. Some people initially objected to its inclusion, but they're not complaining anymore so, as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I've also responded to your other questions on the fac comment page.

Thanks for your feedback, and I hope the changes will help you decide to support the article. If you have any other suggestions, please feel free to let me know and I'll do my best to address them. Happy editing! Kafziel 01:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we're still plugging along... I don't know how much I have left in me, but I've made some more changes to the article and addressed each of your comments on the fac comment page. In addition to your suggestions, I've also updated the footnotes to the new <ref> style and changed the table of invasion examples to prose format.

Thanks again for your feedback. I hope my changes are enough to at least cover your objections, if not garner your support. Kafziel 05:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FMP

Hi, I'd like to invite you to participate in the Wikipedia:Featured Music Project by signing up on the status page. What you'd do is sign up for one (or more) of eight categories, such as the discography or lead section. No more than once a month, you'd be given an article which is getting close to being ready for WP:FAC, and is only deficient in a few categories. You'd do what you can in your section (and, of course, anything else you like). If a couple of people specialize in each category, we should be able to take some concrete steps towards improvement on a wide range of articles. In addition, you can sign up as a "shepherd" to take articles that meet all the criteria through a peer review and (hopefully) successful candidacy. Tuf-Kat 04:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I also wanted to say that I do not agree with [[User:Celestianpower|Celestianpower]]'s latest comments: I have assumed all the way through - and it is entirely apparent to me from your other contributions to FAC - that you are motivated by the best of intentions: to make our articles as good as possible.  As I have said before, your standards may well be higher than mine.  That is not a bad thing; however, I see the standards set by FAC reviewers rising relentlessly, so articles that would have been featured 6 months or a year ago are dismissed without a second thought, but articles that were featured then stick around; and, all the time, less than one article in a thousand is featured, but many of the other 999 are "good" articles. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 17:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
+:: Well, I'm afraid that I stand by everything I've said so far. You have gone to 2 FACs currently and just totally ruined them. If I wasn't Admin Gen of Esperanza I'd both block you and call you all of the swear words under the Sun. You're objections are either lies or unactionable. You don't have the right to call the article "Mediocre, even crappy" when a teacher of English has given it the OK. He's much more qualified to object on these grounds as you are. If making me really upset and angry was your aim, you've certainly acheived it. --[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]]<font color="green">[[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|es]]</font>[[User:celestianpower|tianpower]] <sup>[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]</sup> 17:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 == Projectplace ==