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|message = <br><br><br> &nbsp; I volunatrily agree to the following restrictions ''':''' <br><br> ''' * ''' I am not allowed to censor/hat/archive/alter comments by anyone , except on my own talk page where I may remove '''but''' not alter them. <br><br> '''*''' I limit myself to [[WP:0RR | 0RR ]]. &nbsp;&nbsp; I will observe '''both''' the letter and the spirit of this rule. <br><br> ''' * ''' I am not to start deletion discussions of any kind (I may participate in those started by others). <br><br> ''' * ''' I agree to discontinue a discussion when three users in good standing tell me I should drop it and no one has supported my position. <br><br> ''' * ''' None of this is intended to prevent me from warning, reporting, and/or reverting vandals as often as necessary. I may '''not''' use such warnings as a means to [[WP:GAME | get around any of me agreed upon restrictions ]]. <br><br><br> }}





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:: Thanks for the invite. I usually don't work with images as I don't understand them well. I usually stick to reverting vandalism. (Been at bit busy at work (I contribute at work ) so I haven't had a chance to do that much... but I will shortly.
:: Thanks for the invite. I usually don't work with images as I don't understand them well. I usually stick to reverting vandalism. (Been at bit busy at work (I contribute at work ) so I haven't had a chance to do that much... but I will shortly.
Thanks ! <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white">&nbsp;'''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;">&nbsp;'''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh ...&nbsp;</font></span> 14:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks ! <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white">&nbsp;'''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;">&nbsp;'''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh ...&nbsp;</font></span> 14:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

==Suggested changes==
Kosh, I'm considering going to the significant trouble of creating an [[WP:RFC/U|RFC/U]] about you in the next few days. In the interests of saving me, and you, and the larger community some time and ill will, I wonder if you'd be willing to voluntarily agree to do the following:

*Stop censoring/hatting/archiving/altering comments by anyone (anywhere except your own talk page, where you can remove but not alter them)
*Limit yourself to [[WP:0RR]]
*Avoid starting deletion discussions of any kind (although I wouldn't say you can't participate in those started by others)
*Discontinue a discussion if 3 users in good standing have told you that you should drop it, and no one has supported your position
*None of this is intended to prevent you from warning, reporting, and/or reverting vandals as often as necessary. I've never seen any significant errors in your anti-vandalism work, and you do enough of it that it is a significant benefit to the encyclopedia.

If I do start an RFC/U, I'll be justifying these restrictions with a significant number of examples, but at this early stage, I'm hoping it will suffice to remind you that your edits in these areas are very, very often undone, and that you ultimately prevail in very, very few of them. You may think you're right and everyone else is wrong, but surely you can see that if that's the case, you should stop doing it anyway, right?

Let me know your thoughts. I could be wrong, of course, but I really suspect the result of an RFC/U would be something along these lines anyway, possibly more severe, and definitely more painful for everyone involved. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


:: Sounds fair to me. I agree to your conditions. Regarding point #2, I understand you mean that to be with no exceptions, however, how about exemption BLP and obvious vandalism ? <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white">&nbsp;'''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;">&nbsp;'''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh ...&nbsp;</font></span> 20:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Like I said in my last bullet point, obvious vandalism would be exempt; you do a great job of recognizing obvious vandalism (and 0RR and anti-vandalism work are 100% incompatible anyway!). Regarding BLP, my concern is that your interpretation of BLP doesn't seem to match a '''lot''' of other people's. I could try to find examples if needed. That said, if the BLP violation is egregious and in article space, then revert it once and I wouldn't complain. But if an established editor does something you think violates BLP, please ask an admin to look at it, rather than remove it yourself. Would that work? --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

::: NO need to find examples..... I accept 0RR on BLP as well. <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white">&nbsp;'''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;">&nbsp;'''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh ...&nbsp;</font></span> 20:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Great, thanks, I wasn't looking forward to an RFC/U. I suppose a virtual handshake is in order. Cheers. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::No problem, I've placed the restrictions on top so mizabot won't archive them. <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white">&nbsp;'''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;">&nbsp;'''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh ...&nbsp;</font></span> 20:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::If you see comments that '''really''' need altering, or deletion discussions that '''really''' need starting, let me know and I'll take a look, and act if I think it's wise, and explain why if I don't think it's wise. No guarantees I'll agree, and (depending on my mood) I probably won't be open to a long discussion about it, but at least there's an out if you really think you see something wrong. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Ok... no problem (and no problem on correcting the typo's either <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white">&nbsp;'''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;">&nbsp;'''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh ...&nbsp;</font></span> 21:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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I see that you had given this guy User_talk:72.14.77.206 a "last warning" a while back to stop vandalizing pages. Well, they are back to their old tricks again recently. I don't think I've seen a constructive edit from this IP address at all in recent months. I'll leave it to you as to what to do next. Thanx. Guy1890 (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whack!

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.
— PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 06:44, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


No problem....trout are tasty!!! Nomnom  :)  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  21:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot learn Wikipedia by rote, it is not a set of rules but rather a system of ideas.

This is a total repeat of the last time I interacted with you, you seem to think that just throwing around policy links is a substitute for reasoned argument or consensus, even if you have failed to read and understand the policy link you are referring to. From WP:NOTBLOG, which you cite again and again as if it made everything clear:

"Personal web pages. Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they should be used primarily to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. Limited biographical information is allowed, but user pages should not function as personal webpages or be repositories for large amounts of material that is irrelevant to collaborating on Wikipedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog or to post your résumé, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet or any hosting included with your Internet account. The focus of user pages should not be social networking, or amusement, but rather providing a foundation for effective collaboration. Humorous pages that refer to Wikipedia in some way may be created in an appropriate namespace, however."

I don't see that Rich was using the page to work on his resume or post vast amounts of material not related to Wikipedia.

I would again remind you that it is a good idea to read things thoroughly before deciding they support your position and simply pointing to them again and again as if that is all that need be said. You don't seem to have noticed that these discussions tend not to end the way you think they will. That should be an indication to you that you were/are incorrect/out of step with consensus on these issues. Despite whatever obscure point you were trying to make with those useless links on my talk page, consensus is in fact the primary decision making model on Wikipedia. How do I know that? I actually read the page WP:CONSENSUS and that is the very first thing that it says. WP:IAR also allows us to ignore policies if following them is not determined to benefit the project. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

There will be only this one warning. If you mess with the policy once more [1], you will be blocked. Fut.Perf. 13:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mainspace work

Hello there. I just stopped by to ask if you'd like to do some mainspace work. Consider creating a few articles from Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images. I'd be more than happy to work with you. Non-controversial mainspaces are much more fun than back pages any day.

Let me know. It's a nice path -- a good way to leave troubles behind. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the invite. I usually don't work with images as I don't understand them well. I usually stick to reverting vandalism. (Been at bit busy at work (I contribute at work ) so I haven't had a chance to do that much... but I will shortly.

Thanks !  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  14:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Suggested changes

Kosh, I'm considering going to the significant trouble of creating an RFC/U about you in the next few days. In the interests of saving me, and you, and the larger community some time and ill will, I wonder if you'd be willing to voluntarily agree to do the following:

  • Stop censoring/hatting/archiving/altering comments by anyone (anywhere except your own talk page, where you can remove but not alter them)
  • Limit yourself to WP:0RR
  • Avoid starting deletion discussions of any kind (although I wouldn't say you can't participate in those started by others)
  • Discontinue a discussion if 3 users in good standing have told you that you should drop it, and no one has supported your position
  • None of this is intended to prevent you from warning, reporting, and/or reverting vandals as often as necessary. I've never seen any significant errors in your anti-vandalism work, and you do enough of it that it is a significant benefit to the encyclopedia.

If I do start an RFC/U, I'll be justifying these restrictions with a significant number of examples, but at this early stage, I'm hoping it will suffice to remind you that your edits in these areas are very, very often undone, and that you ultimately prevail in very, very few of them. You may think you're right and everyone else is wrong, but surely you can see that if that's the case, you should stop doing it anyway, right?

Let me know your thoughts. I could be wrong, of course, but I really suspect the result of an RFC/U would be something along these lines anyway, possibly more severe, and definitely more painful for everyone involved. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Sounds fair to me. I agree to your conditions. Regarding point #2, I understand you mean that to be with no exceptions, however, how about exemption BLP and obvious vandalism ?  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  20:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said in my last bullet point, obvious vandalism would be exempt; you do a great job of recognizing obvious vandalism (and 0RR and anti-vandalism work are 100% incompatible anyway!). Regarding BLP, my concern is that your interpretation of BLP doesn't seem to match a lot of other people's. I could try to find examples if needed. That said, if the BLP violation is egregious and in article space, then revert it once and I wouldn't complain. But if an established editor does something you think violates BLP, please ask an admin to look at it, rather than remove it yourself. Would that work? --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
NO need to find examples..... I accept 0RR on BLP as well.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  20:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks, I wasn't looking forward to an RFC/U. I suppose a virtual handshake is in order. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I've placed the restrictions on top so mizabot won't archive them.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  20:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you see comments that really need altering, or deletion discussions that really need starting, let me know and I'll take a look, and act if I think it's wise, and explain why if I don't think it's wise. No guarantees I'll agree, and (depending on my mood) I probably won't be open to a long discussion about it, but at least there's an out if you really think you see something wrong. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok... no problem (and no problem on correcting the typo's either  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  21:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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