User talk:RHaworth/2013 Nov 22

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wikify!
Slovenly is a word I find myself using quite a bit at the moment. Slovenly is what I think of anybody who leaves a message here about an article and fails to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it? Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it.
I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate, has no heading, is in the wrong place on this page or has not been signed with ~~~~.
And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

Gulistan

Dear concern, I wrote my first article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gulistan, Dhaka. As I am new here so do not know the rules and regulations very well. The article was in Wikipedia but recently you've moved it to article creation and re instated AFC tag. Do I have to do any correction so that it will be on the Wikipedia again? Can you please tell me what was the mistake i made so that you have to do that? Please help me in this. — Afrin.Danny (talk) 21:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

• My name is not concern!! OK, come clean, what the <expletive deleted/> is going on: two people with suspiciously similar user names, you and Afrin.Islam (talk · contribs) have both created articles about Gulistan. I have merged your edits to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gulistan, Dhaka. Both you texts are currently a very long way from being an encyclopedia article. They are more like a travel guide - "try US$1 for a T-shirt" indeed! Do you seriously think that belongs in Wikipedia? And neither of you could manage to provide a {{coord}} tag. I have changed the AfC tag back to "not currently submitted" to give you both a chance to knock the piece into shape. Even if you think it is ready for mainspace, do not move it - that will be done by the AfC reviewer if the article is accepted. Please tell Afrin.Islam to stop putting <br/> into articles - they are very rarely needed and certainly his were not. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I've made some changes to the page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gulistan, Dhaka. Can you please give me some feedback? Previously I lost my password as I did not put my email id during account creation and could not retrieve it. So, Afrin.Islam is my lost account. And could not made the correction to my deleted post. As I said I'm new and this is my first article I'm trying, so please help me to make it. — Afrin.Danny (talk) 13:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

• Salutations are not used on talk pages; no need for a new section for each comment, please add new comments to the section in question; please learn wikilinks.--Launchballer 13:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

• Launchballer, at least give him credit for saluting me as RHaworth. Note that he called me "concern" above.

Afrin, OK so you created a new account. Did you intend to clean up the mess left behind by Afrin.Islam (talk · contribs)? Indeed why did you start a new article AfC submission instead of editing the one you had already created? Please reply. The new article does not look significantly better. Wait and see what the AfC reviewer thinks and follow their suggestions. You want feedback? Look at articles on subjects similar to yours - start with category:suburbs of Mumbai. If you actually read these articles, you will see how far your submission is from a Wikipedia article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I clarified earlier why I had to create a new account. And If I don't have the password how can I clean up the mess?Afrin.Danny (talk) 05:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Please answer my question: why did you start a new article AfC submission instead of editing the one you had already created? That would have done the requisite cleanup and did not require you to know your forgotten password. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:13, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Mohammed Habib

Hello RHaworth, Can you tell me the reason why my page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mohammed Habib : Indian Football Legend has been deleted. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.83.217.23 (talk) 13:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

• Please create an account and learn wikilinks. Your page screamed "delete me" even before one opened it because of the words "Indian Football Legend" which are patently unencyclopedic. The title, if it ever gets to article space, will be Mohammed Habib (footballer). Why delete? Have you actually read the deletion log entry? In fact the copyvio aspect is irrelevant because the text was just as sycophantic as the title. Look at existing articles about footballers (I believe we may have a few) and then write a proper article in your own words. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:13, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Not ridiculous

My speedy deletion nomination on User talk:Chiber was not ridiculous. It was for this content that was deleted by Gogo Dodo between when I loaded the page and when I filled the CSD. Please remember WP:CIVIL. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:11, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

• I would say that G8, page dependent …, is never applied to primary user talk pages (ie. not user talk subpages). I would have accepted G11, spam, if I had seen it before the account was blocked. But Gogo Dodo had edited the page twelve hours before you did the edit you mention above. Once Gogo Dodo had edited it, the page became undeleteable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:13, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

An IP

Hello RHaworth, I want to say that an IP user 14.98.14.170 trying to including un-necessary and wrong information in list of Bollywood films of 2013. Watch its Contributions 185.26.180.62 (talk) 11:10, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

• Please read this. And don't tell me that I have talked to an IP address on the last message but one - in that case the IP address here matched the IP address creating the article under discussion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:13, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Protection request

Hello RHaworth, I have already discussed about many IP address including non -necessary thing in List of Bollywood films of 2013. This is due to, the page was semi-protected but now protection of page has been expired (on 3rd november). Therefore I submit a protection request below (for users benefits). Thanks, 119.160.118.82 (talk) 19:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I've removed it because it shouldn't be here - it should be at WP:RPP - and because it was ballsing up the contents, the sheer length of the section header was causing it to take up the whole screen - I have to scroll down to see the "wikify!" box. Please read this.--Launchballer 17:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

[Title width guide. Delete above here if no further edits - already in archive. If further edits, move below here.]

File:QueenSnowWhite.jpg

Could you please explain to me which speedy deletion criteria you used for deleting this image? Your edit summary of "replaced by png" is not very helpful in this regard. Thank you, Aspects (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

• For goodness sake! Within the context, surely it was patently obvious that the message meant: replaced by File:QueenSnowWhite.png. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:46, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

You still did not answer my question of which speedy deletion criteria you used for deleting the image. Aspects (talk) 10:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

• OK pedant, F1 is not applicable because different format. Surely G6 is applicable? If you see some potential controversy, please raise the matter at DRV but be sure to add this, this and this image. Also have a word with Niemti (talk · contribs) who applied the speedy tags to all four of these images. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:32, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
• But never mind what I did, let us move forward - when I encounter a case like this in the future, what deletion reason do you want me to give? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletions only cover the cases specified and G6 would not apply because this is not uncontroversial maintenance. If you encounter a case like this in the future of, you should decline the speedy deletion because it does not fit any of the requirements and advise the nominator about taking the image to Wikipedia:Files for deletion or the image could be tagged as being orphaned, F5, and the image could be deleted after seven days, but it would at least have time for other editors to notice and comment on the image.

In this case, Niemti and I were having a content dispute about whether a jpg screenshot, File:QueenSnowWhite.jpg, or a png third-party illustration, File:Evil Queen Grimhilde.png, should be used in the infobox at Queen Grimhilde. It looks like (since I cannot tell) that Niemti uploaded a new (different) jpg image on top of the previous (original) jpg image, then uploaded the same new (different) png image at File:QueenSnowWhite.png, incorrectly speedy tagged the new (different) jpg image as WP:SPEEDY#F1 and you deleted it since it looked the same. In my opinion, Niemti is gaming the system and requesting the speedy deletion in bad faith, also because it looks like Niemti failed to notify the original uploader of the speedy deletion. You should reverse your deletion of all four images, contact Niemti about incorrectly speedy deletion tagging and in the future you should include in your edit summary a link to which criteria you used to delete the image like I have seen most other admin do. If necessary, I guess I can take them all to DRV, but I feel this is something that should be handled by you since it could be a pattern of bad editing by Niemti. Aspects (talk) 15:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

• Why did you not raise your concerns about Niemti gaming the system in your first message? You would have received a more sympathetic response and it would have saved time for both of us. I have restored File:QueenSnowWhite.jpg to its pre-Niemti state. I see nothing wrong with the history of the other three images. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Opinion wanted

How strongly do these edits smell of COI to you?--Launchballer 17:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Probably. Keep restoring it - well referenced dirt is always OK. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Technology business management review

Good afternoon, RHaworth, back in August you deleted technology business management. I have since rewritten the article and posted it to my sandbox here: User:Shswanson/sandbox. Can you take a look and let me know if you feel like this new content falls into compliance? And if not, do you mind providing some feedback? This is a page that I plan to build on over time, just want to ensure it is compliant in the mean time. Appreciate your help. Shswanson (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Still seems spammy and I suspect you have a COI but if you want to force it in, submit via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:29, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

The Wythe/The Wrythe stupidity

You're going to laugh at this: I have just managed to forget that by moving without a redirect I am effectively removing any edit conflict, which would tell me that the article has been moved and thus my revision appears as a new article. (I asked it to be moved without a redirect as I had believed it to be an implausible typo.) The result? There are now duplicate articles. Could you perform a histmerge please?--Launchballer 13:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• In any case you were wrong to request move without redirect because these two edits were needed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:08, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Rana

Hello RHaworth, Can you please explain to me why you have deleted the article Dr. Rana. Thank you. Qureshi.ar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qureshi.ar (talk • contribs) 18:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Tell me what the deletion log entry says and then tell me which words do you not understand. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:02, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Centipede game (game theory)

I'm afraid you didn't read the information provided with the request. "Only a bot log and two IP user talk page warnings link here." Apart from the aforementioned, all the hits from "What links here" are false positives, the vast majority through {{Game theory}}. I know because I went through the whole list. Regards Paradoctor (talk) 21:26, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• I know perfectly well that usages via a template take time to drop off. But is there some urgency to delete it? Why cannot we wait until they have disappeared from the what links here report. More importantly, we need to wait until the page is being viewed less than, say, twice a day - see current page view counts. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I speedied it because I see no use in an AfD, not because I dread the WP:DEADLINE. ;) But why did you remove the tag, then, instead of simply waiting? Paradoctor (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Removed what tag? Instead of simply waiting for what? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:48, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

"What tag?": Sorry, I meant the CSD template. "Waiting for what?": "until the page is being viewed less than, say, twice a day", see above. Paradoctor (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• I still don't understand. Let me spell it out slowly: I think that the redirect at Centipede game (game theory) should be kept. Therefore I had to remove the CSD tag to take the page out of CAT:CSD and to remove it from the sight of other admins who might have different views. Having done that, we simply wait until the page view statistics fall to a suitably low level. Were you suggesting some different action? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Emperors of Xia

I saw your edit summary saying that the template is still in use and unspeedy. As such, I edited pages that transcluded the template. See Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Emperors of Xia. The template is no longer in use. Thus it now meets the criteria for speedy deletion. --HYH.124 (talk) 06:59, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• Now zapped. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Niall Sheehy (actor, singer)

Hi RHaworth, You may be interested in glancing at this Niall Sheehy (actor, singer) page. You had warned the creator yesterday for 'over writing' the footballers page. Do we allow page names like this or should it be ... (entertainer). Are they notable enough even? Regards, 220 of ^Borg 07:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• I have no strong feelings about whether the disambiguator should be "(actor, singer)" or "(entertainer)". Deletion discussion started. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Blanche Gaston

You deleted Blanche Gaston under WP:CSD#A7. A user (I believe the creator of the article) has inquired about this at the Help desk which led me to read the deleted text. While the article did not establish notability fully, it seems to me that the statement that the subject had written a book which "go on to become one of the forerunners in the self esteem movement" and that the subject was "the first African American to have a book approved for instruction in those school systems." constitute claims of significance. Perhaps you would like to reconsider this deletion? DES ^(talk) 18:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• Don't tell anybody but I saw those horrible shouted and mis-spelled section headings and decided the speedy nominator was probably right. Restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Funkshone

Hi. You have just deleted the page about the well-known band 'Funkshone'. Is it possible for you to undelete it temporarily, so that I can add any details necessary to keep the article? Thanks ClareGC (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

• An article that has survived four years deserves better than speedy deletion. Restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)