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This week's article for improvement (week 18, 2014)

Fresh produce in a grocery store Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Grocery store Previous selections: Exploration • Festival Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of Evad37 (talk) 11:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC) •

Talk:Miranda Cosgrove

Obviously, something went wrong. - SummerPhD (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

EPH mishap

I saw your recent mishap with EPH. I can't reproduce the problem, and no changes were made to the script between 00:41, 28 April 2014, when it worked for you, and 11:37, 29 April 2014, when it didn't. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about it unless I see one of the diffs. Can you ask an admin to email me one? Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• @Writ Keeper, Anomie, Legoktm, and Earwig:, can one of you email Jackmcbarn one or two of the diffs so he can debug and see what happened please? Thanks, I appreciate it. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 18:09, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Why were they revdeled? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• They were revdeled because I requested it on IRC due to the fact my IP address was posted in the mess. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

They should have been oversighted, then, but whatever, I guess. I can't do it right now, but I'll redact the IP addresses and email some of the diffs when I get a chance, probably sometime in the next six hours or so (if nobody's beat me to the punch by then). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• I was asked if I wanted OS and said no. I'm not worried about admins seeing my IP, I just didn't want anon IPs to see it since I've done quite a bit of account creation (and denials). — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 20:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• @Jackmcbarn: Well, I have two of the diffs in a somewhat-readable format; I wasn't really sure how to extract them legibly, so I winged it. If you could, shoot me an email so that I can attach the files back to you. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 03:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Email sent. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 03:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
    • The problem is unrelated to EPH. You have a virus called Sendori that injects crap into Web pages, and it happened to inject crap into the part that EPH submits. Remove it and the problem will go away. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Can't decline this one

User talk:Primemin. I thought I'd solved it when I deleted an extra "|" from the template, but no... FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'm using AFCH-RW v0.7 and there was no review link at all on the user page, so I moved it to AFC space. The next thing I tried was to clean the draft, and the script won't even load, it is giving me some TypeError: AFCH.getAndDelete(...) is undefined error. I'm pinging Theopolisme and next thing I'm going to try is putting that "extra" | back (as it is not actually extra and belongs there). If that doesn't help, hopefully Theo can help figure it out. Will report back here in a bit. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 14:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: Put that pipe back and now the rewrite script is working. FoCuSandLeArN, what did you want to decline it as? Different declines "could" have different results. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 14:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the script got confused when no status was specified. I'm on mobile right now but will take a look tonight. Thanks, Theopolisme (talk) 14:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Jusy plain ol' non-notable. Thanks for that! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:49, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I dunno what just happened there. I give up. Won't touch it anymore. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Prime_Ministers_%28band%29&diff=606807110&oldid=606806908 declined as nn on your behalf using the rewrite script version 0.7 with no issues. May have been an issue with it not working in User: space, or it may have been an issue with an older version of the script you were using, either way, the newest script is working when in the right namespace. Theo, please do check on why there was no review option when it was in user space. Feel free to use User:Technical-13 as a sandbox and I'll just roll it back when you are done.. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Having issue with this one now. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 19, 2014)

Filming of a travel documentary Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Travel documentary Previous selections: Grocery store • Exploration Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 01:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC) •

Thank you for invitation

I'm very happy you have invited me to the teahouse! My prayers are with you.... Winston Birdwell (talk) 23:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Because you thanked me

You thanked me for one of my recent edits, so here is a heart-felt...  YOU'RE WELCOME! ...along with seventeen layers of fun because you deserve it! It's a pleasure, and I sincerely hope that you enjoy your continued improvement of this awesome encyclopedia and the staggering, huge community effort that supports it! – Paine Ellsworth

23:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 20, 2014)

Hopetoun Falls in Beech Forest, a forest in Australia Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Forests of Australia Previous selections: Travel documentary • Grocery store Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC) •

MassMessage help

Hi Technical 13,

I came across your name whilst trying to work out how to use the MassMessage service. Back in the days of EdwardsBot, I was (and still am) on the list of approved members. However, I took a bit of a hiatus back in January, and wasn't aware that the messaging service had been changed. I'm now confused how the new system works, and I'm banging my head against a brick wall working out what the hell I'm suppose to do in order to send a project newsletter out to its members. The members are on this list, but apparently I've to create some target list. Not a clue how to do that, and I feel totally lost.

Would it be possible if you could kindly explain to me how the new system works and what steps I need to take in order to send a newsletter using the new system? Feel free to post the information on my own talk page, so that I have it there for future reference. Thank you in advance. Wes Mᴥuse 19:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting. There are some instructions on using the new system on Mass message sender, m:MassMessage, and mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage. There is also a template you may wish to use {{Mailing list member}} that has some interesting features and make it a little easier. You can also look at existing mailing lists to see how they should all be put together. If you have any further specific questions after looking all that over, I'd be happy to help you out. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 21:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for that information, Tech13. I'm just confused as to where I make this mailing list thingamajig? The guidance itself isn't helpful and just says to make such a list, but nothing as to where this list should be made. Oh how I miss EdwardsBot lol. At least I knew what I was doing with that thing. This new version is very confusing, and the guidance isn't exactly in Layman's terms. Wes Mᴥuse 21:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Woohoo I did it. I haven't a clue how I did it, but the important thing is I managed to figure it out. Although my brain feels a bit frazzled now. Phew, I need a coffee after all that. Thank you for all the help you provided, I really appreciate it sincerely. Wes Mᴥuse 23:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ahh. The list can be anywhere and allows for mixed content. You could adjust your existing page to be the list. The MMs bot only cares about the #target: calls. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 02:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment

I just stopped by to express my disappointment at your actions on the discussion that I closed yesterday. You are right to express and defend your ideas, but there comes a time when you need to step back and listen to others. Part of working in a collaborative environment is the need to be able to compromise and know when to back off. There is no way that that discussion should have needed an outside editor to come in and close it. It is was nowhere near a close call. You ought to accepted consensus and stopped blocking progress. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• MSGJ, while that is all well and good, I'm the one that has to go through every single draft and fix them to break the templates and comments out into the talk page where they belong wasting hundreds of hours. I'm not impressed at all. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 10:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

  You do not have to do any such thing. We are all volunteers here just doing what we want; nobody has to do anything :) In any case, the situation for years has been that comments are mixed with content, and this change has not made the situation any worse. I agree with you that, ideally, comments would be placed on the talk page. But there is the real danger than newbies would miss them there. (The whole namespace concept is lost on newbies.) So I think we should discuss this very carefully. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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Responding to protected edit requests

Hi, I've noticed several times in the past that when responding to protected edit requests, you are causing damage to other content on the page. This seems to be still occurring; the latest instance that I have noticed is this post from earlier today. Such damage often occurs in an entirely different thread, which suggests to me that you are editing the whole page, instead of the relevant section. Therefore, in future, please would you: (i) edit only the section that you are posing to, and not the whole page; (ii) use the "Show changes" button before saving, to make sure that you are not changing something else. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• As I understand it Rose, it is a parsoid bug that is reflected in Jackmcbarn's User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper script. I catch it "most" of the time, but do occasionally miss one especially if it was way up or down the screen as when the page reloads after the fix, it takes me back to near where the edit request was, the top of the page, or the next edit request if there are more on the page. On long pages, it is easy to miss this issue. The only way to really fix it is to get the developers to fix parsoid. In the mean time, I thank you and appreciate any fixes to such issues that you catch I may have missed. Jack, do you think that the script could load a "last change" in a new tab until parsoid is fixed to make it harder to miss these? — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

If it's a script, then as with other user scripts such as WP:AWB, you are responsible for all edits made using the script. If the script is buggy (which it appears to be), either get it fixed or stop using it. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• @Redrose64: The actual cause of these are a few minor bugs in mw:extension:Parsoid, the same thing that powers VisualEditor. As I see these bugs, I've been reporting them, but there's really nothing else that we can do about them. (After all, we don't have a rule against using VisualEditor, even though it has the same glitches as well.) Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
• It's not the script that is buggy, it is the MediaWiki software. So, it's nothing like AWB (which isn't a script, it's an independent program). Like I said, there isn't much that can be done until the developers decide to fix the MediaWiki software, and I don't expect them to get rid of parsoid or VisualEditor because of these bugs. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Same goes. If VE screws up the page you're working on, don't use VE. I don't. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

• Rose, it's MediaWiki that's screwing up, and if you expect everyone to quit using it, nothing will get done at all because that's all of Wikipedia. That seems a bit silly to me... Anyways, hopefully the developers will get MediaWiki and Parsoid fixed soon. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 22:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

If the problem lies with parsoid, why do you think that MediaWiki is broken? They are not the same. How can you be sure that the bug isn't in your script? I don't see anything else screwing up pages in this manner. If it was a fault with MediaWiki, as you seem to be saying, I would expect the problem to be much more extensive; and I would expect that edits made by myself would exhibit the same problem - but AFAICT, they don't. Every single edit that I have ever made has gone through MediaWiki, so can you find one - any one - which has screwed up the page in the manner as your script?

And as I have explained before, talk page indenting is done with colons, not asterisks/bullets. See for example Help:Using talk pages (where asterisks/bullets are not mentioned at all); Wikipedia:Indentation (which only once mentions bullets, and doesn't say that they should be used for indenting); and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines (which mentions bullets three times). Regarding this last, the three mentions are: once to show that the removal of bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC) is permitted; once to show that blank lines should not be used between lines within an indented or bulleted list; and once to show that colons are used for indentation, not bullet points, except in deletion discussions. None of these advocate the use of bullets for regular talk page indenting. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

• Parsoid is a MediaWiki extension, written by MediaWiki developers as part of the MediaWiki product. Therefor, it is a component of MediaWiki and if it is broken, MediaWiki is broken. It's like spokes of a wheel, if a spoke is broken, then the whole wheel is broken. It's not my script, so for details of how it is known to be a mw:extension:Parsoid issue instead of an EPH issue, you will have to ask Jack.
• As I have said before, WP:INTERSPERSE requires clear indentation, and using colons is unclear as all of the posts at the same level aren't distinguishable from each other. Also, it is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing/spelling errors, grammar, etc. It tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Finally, cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. I've objected many times to you editing my comments, as such, you should stop because you know that TPO isn't an excuse to ignore my request for you to stop changing my bullet indenting to whitespace indenting on my own talk page. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 13:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

You're still doing it. Please stop. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 21, 2014)

The Battle of Varoux, part of the French Revolutionary Wars Hello, Technical 13. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: French Revolutionary Wars Previous selections: Forests of Australia • Travel documentary Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC) •

Notification of a June AfC BackLog Drive

Hello Technical 13:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Elimination Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2014 to June 30, 2014.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.
There is a backlog of over 1200 articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

The AfC helper script can assist you in tallying your edits automatically. To view a full list of changes, visit the changelog. Please report bugs and feature requests there, too! Thanks. Sent on behalf of (t) Josve05a (c) by {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} using the MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

You sent the above mail to yourself... he he :D

Btw please let me know if you have anything else to send, my MMS extension is waiting :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 15:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• Yes Jim, I happened to also be on that mailing list. Your MMS extension? — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I mean, I have used my MassMessage rights only for three times till now. I want to use it more so if you have any more mailings please let me know I want to make use of my flag and send some mails :) Jim Carter ^(talk) 16:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• I understand Jim. The best way to do that is to watch the talk page where requests for mailings are made. :) This request might have been a little tricky because the mailing list wasn't where the requester thought it was and required the template they wanted to use to send the message to be modified to accept a new parameter. But, if you watch that page, I'm sure you'll see some requests that you can fulfill. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 16:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Titodutta did you mean Who have... actually this user right generally given if you have grandfathered Edwardbot which is now replaced by this right. By this right one can send out messages to multiple users by a mailing list. You can also get this tools if you are coordinating a meetup or a WikiProject which sends newsletters and backlog drive notifications etc. I have coordinated WP:ORPHAN that is why I got this tool. Technical 13 thanks for the suggestion WT:MMS is now on my watchlist. Jim Carter ^(talk) 17:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

ACC:121747

Maybe that should of been a password reset ? Mlpearc (open channel) 20:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• I considered that, Mlpearc, but based on the comment, I got the idea that wasn't the case. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 00:27, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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IRC Bot

Hi T13,

Long time no see! How've you been? Yesterday, I got auto-Klined from freenode, as my IRC bot was spamming. I have sent them an email regarding the Kline, yet I have not received a reply yet. Now, the bot doesn't work at all. It is coded in Python. Would you be able to help me? If so, do you have Skype or something so that we can communicate (via messaging, not necessarily calling)? --JustBerry (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• I know nothing about python just yet but I'm led to believe that Theopolisme, Hasteur, Legoktm, Cyberpower678 and ∑ might. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 22:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

JustBerry, can you post the source code on GitHub or another code hosting platform so perhaps one of us can take a look? Theopolisme (talk) 22:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Respect edit request

The Reliable Source IS the CURRENT source. Iliekinfo (talk) 23:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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