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TV debut?

I'm just quickly going through the article putting in missing cites. I see the article says "made their television debut on a Los Angeles TV show, Boss City, circa 1966, possibly early 1967", so I look for that ("TV debut The Doors Boss City"), and find a reference to the band playing at Boss City and put it in ([1]). But then I notice my mistake - this is for the debut of "Light My Fire" not "Break On Through". So I look for their TV debut. This book says it was Shebang on March 6th: [2]; this book says it was Shebang on New Years Day: [3]. Anyone know the truth? Meanwhile, I shall amend what we have so we don't give out potentially false information. SilkTork (talk) 10:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice of an RfC about including the word "The" in song/album article titles

Hello there! I started a discussion on the page Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music on 7 July, and it hasn't received any responses. This RfC concerns the use of the word "The" in band names in parentheses in the titles of articles about songs and albums. Further elaboration can be found on that discussion page. I would appreciate thoughts from anyone who may be interested in the discussion. Thank you. –Matthew - (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection

FlightTime, Robvanvee, JalenFolf, EdJohnston, Sphilbrick, Materialscientist and other editors: Is it time to ask for page protection for Doors articles or report more IPs to ANI? (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1023#IPs adding/re-adding unreferenced material.)

New IPs:

Older IPs:

—Ojorojo (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah this disruptive BS has been going on for too long and I'm pretty sure this is all the same person. That is a lot of articles to protect, is that an option? The last ANI didn't seem to yield overly positive results. What about a range block? Rob van vee 15:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is new territory for me. Somewhere I saw this may be linked to a blocked user. Maybe others have better solutions. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:10, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find that link? Perhaps we can piece enough together to open an SPI. Rob van vee 16:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree on the page protection, this has been going on far too long. Doing this manually seen laborious, is there a bot or can AWB handle this task ? - FlightTime (open channel) 16:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone say whether the IPs listed above as 'new IPs' should be blocked? The last one is busy adding reference links to https://mildequator.com which says it is a non-profit information site for the Doors, as well as a store. This web site might just barely be considered reliable, especially for things like long-ago tour dates, which are not of extreme importance. The IPs listed as 'old' seem to be inactive. Any other opinions? EdJohnston (talk) 16:52, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

By JalenFolf: "possible IP sock farm of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Danieleb82".[4] Binksternet made some recent reports. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

R to EdJohnston: 37.6.215.40 recreated The WASP (Texas Radio and the Big Beat) from a redirect (redirected/recreated several times), still with no showing that it meets WP:NSONGS.[5] —Ojorojo (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per the above, I have blocked 37.6.215.40 (talk · contribs) for two months for disruptive editing. This user has a Greek ISP. EdJohnston (talk) 18:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the IPs listed in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Danieleb82 are from Sweden, but most of the activity on The Doors is from Greece. Is it possible that there could be two different people here? EdJohnston (talk) 18:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been involved in the SPI, but the edits are very similar to those on Led Zeppelin articles in September: restoring redirects and/or problematic material multiple times without addressing the notability problems or proper references. 77.218.252.86 (talk · contribs) was blocked along with several other IPs. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's a Swedish IP, so it could be Danieleb82 (talk · contribs). I'm unsure whether any socks of Danieleb82 have edited regarding The Doors. EdJohnston (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. OK. Back again. I mistakenly put this at ANI, not realizing it had been archived. Sorry for any confusion. Regarding protection, socks and IPs, see the Poofdragon sockdrawer, which chronically disrupted Jim Morrison, Pamela Courson and Patricia Kennealy-Morrison. The histories on those articles, most recently Pam Courson, show that we regularly get new SPAs returning to repeat the same pattern of disruptive edits (also addition of unsourced content, and sometimes defamatory material / BLP vios). Recently the likely socks have been reverted and stopped right before being blocked. But it's chronic. If general protection is done, I'd add those articles. I would personally support semi-ing the lot of them. These are obsessed stans who have harassed admins via email before, admitted to co-ordinating the disruption off-wiki, and they are not going to stop. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo, maybe you can make a sub-page here, like Talk:The Doors/Doors vandal or something like that, and give a clean overview of IPs and ranges. I blocked a range or two and semi-protected a bunch of articles for six months. Obviously more of that can be done, but I have to clock out. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Selecting the articles to protect

Who wants to make a list of the articles to be semiprotected? My guess is that nobody will complain about multiple months of protection if active long-term socking is in the picture. EdJohnston (talk) 01:36, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: will this work ?- FlightTime (open channel) 01:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be over 1,000 articles which is too many. How about up to 100? Pick the ones most associated with The Doors. EdJohnston (talk) 02:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If one omits the "related articles" here and count everything above that section, there are less than 100 pages. Is that an acceptable list? Rob van vee 05:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How about:

(Note: Underlining to show which articles are already dealt with. -EdJ)

Recreated several times w/o improvements:

Queen of the Highway
Unhappy Girl
The WASP (Texas Radio and the Big Beat)
(Spanish Caravan & Take It as It Comes already protected)
Take It as It Comes
The Spy !

Recently abused:

There are probably more, but this should get things started.

—Ojorojo (talk) 15:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've done indefinite semiprotection of the four redirects under the 'How about:' heading with the edit summary "Article recreated by IP-hopping warrior. Per discussion at Talk:The_Doors#Page protection". No objection if other admins want to continue working down this list. EdJohnston (talk) 20:26, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EdJohnston: Does the latest round of disruptive editing by 109.242.153.61 (talk · contribs) justify protecting more pages? I underlined a couple that have been recently protected. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have blocked that IP for a month. It is now the third to be blocked from the range 109.242.*. Let me know if you think anything else should be done. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: Thanks, but they'll just switch to a new IP and we'll have to clean up the mess until they're blocked again. Why not protect the most abused pages? —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would consider that. If you have the patience, you could go through the above list of articles (those not yet protected) and find any edited by an IP from Greece since 1 November. Those are the ones that should get more scrutiny. (I don't care about IP edits unless they are very fresh, since he never seems to re-use old IPs). EdJohnston (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: I've marked those by 109.242.153.61 and 37.6.215.40 with a " ! ". I don't know which of the others are Greek, but all of the pages under "Recently abused" have been subject to the same style of disruptive editing since 10/25. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have semied Love Me Two Times and Touch Me (The Doors song). To find out where an IP is located, open their contributions page and click on 'geolocate' near the bottom of the page. For example, try this on Special:Contributions/109.242.153.61. It tells you that the IP is based in Athens. This helps us to separate regular IPs from those we believe to be operated by the Doors vandal. At present the bad behavior is not coming from Sweden. EdJohnston (talk) 22:16, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: I think the block evader is back 37.6.67.132 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). - FlightTime (open channel) 20:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have blocked 37.6.67.132 (talk · contribs) for one month. That IP also geolocates to Greece. EdJohnston (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now blocked are: 109.242.89.61 (talk · contribs) for one month, new IP from the same /16 range as one listed above, and 78.87.169.180 (talk · contribs), a returning IP, for three months. EdJohnston (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 58: / Line 58: @@
 Wow. OK. Back again. I mistakenly put this at ANI, not realizing it had been archived. Sorry for any confusion. Regarding protection, socks and IPs, see the {{u|Poofdragon}} sockdrawer, which chronically disrupted [[Jim Morrison]], [[Pamela Courson]] and [[Patricia Kennealy-Morrison]]. The histories on those articles, most recently Pam Courson, show that we regularly get new SPAs returning to repeat the same pattern of disruptive edits (also addition of unsourced content, and sometimes defamatory material / BLP vios). Recently the likely socks have been reverted and stopped right before being blocked. But it's chronic. If general protection is done, I'd add those articles. I would personally support semi-ing the lot of them. These are obsessed stans who have harassed admins via email before, admitted to co-ordinating the disruption off-wiki, and they are not going to stop. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|CorbieVreccan]] <sup>[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]</sup> [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
+*[[User:Ojorojo|Ojorojo]], maybe you can make a sub-page here, like [[Talk:The Doors/Doors vandal]] or something like that, and give a clean overview of IPs and ranges. I blocked a range or two and semi-protected a bunch of articles for six months. Obviously more of that can be done, but I have to clock out. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 ==Selecting the articles to protect==