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☆ Congratulations! ☆

	☆ New Administrator ☆
	Congratulations I hereby award you, Worm, for successfully becoming a new Wikipedia Administartor! With over 120 supporters, you have got to be proud! Keep up the excellent work! You will do great as an administrator, as you have always done as an editor. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 12:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Blimey that was fast. Did you have your finger on the trigger there? Thank you :D Worm^TT · (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I had the Successful request for Admin. page under my watchlist + with the new WikiLove, I decided "hey, why not?" =) Can't believe you're administrator! I mean I can...but I can't...if that makes any sense. Again Congratulations! New privileges and a mop, will do you good. PS. If you're not too busy, can I make a big start on my User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/MelbourneStar1? Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 12:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Of course you can, it's there, ready for you the moment you are ready for it :) Worm^TT · (talk) 12:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Congrats, sounds like a fine addition to the admin corp--SPhilbrickT 13:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

My very best congratulations. It proves that RfA is not broken when it concerns truly deserving candidates :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad your candidacy succeeded, welcome to the corps. I hope you have fun. -- Atama頭 17:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Slightly late congrats from me too. Just think, now you can do all your great adoption work with new users - and then block them! Hahahahah! -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. –BuickCenturyDriver 02:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yay! VERY well deserved! Cind.amuse 03:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yaaay! Whoop, whoop! I'm so pleased about that! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 05:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you all, it's an amazing feeling when so many editor that I hold in high regard not only come out to agree that I am trustworthy enough to hold the mop, but also come to my talk page to congratulate me. Now, a few individual messages!

• @Sphilbrick, I meant to say, thanks for your comments at Sandy's page, I'm sure they'll help me with building any future articles.
• @Kudpung, I really appreciate your comment at the RfA, and will be writing a little at RfA reform about my experiences (did that questionnaire thing ever go ahead?)
• @Atama, I really appreciate you showing up, since I don't edit much in the same areas as you, but whereever I've read your comments (especially at the "drama boards") I've always noted them as some of the most clueful on the encyclopedia. So, your comments really do mean a lot to me.
• @Boing, thank you especially, your comments regarding my mentoring a few months ago (when I took on a couple of editors you were involved with) really confirmed to me that I was doing the right thing, so I really apppreciate that!
• @Cindamuse, all the help you've given with a certain user really does show, he's made significant improvements and I appreciate it. I also see you were quite perceptive on me not wanting to put myself forward!
• @Pesky, thank you very much, I hope I can be the admin you thought I already was!

Again, thank you all. I'm made up, I really am. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Great Worm. :) I would also strongly suggest that you be open to recall. -Porch corpter (talk/contribs) 09:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Dya know, you're the first person to mention recall to me, which I find quite surprising due to my lack of experience. As it happens, I like the idea of recall, and will be open to it, once I choose which version. What's more, I'll go further and say that I will be willing for any future changes to the adminship role to be applied to me also, even if it does not automatically apply to current admins. (For example, if admins term length comes in for new admins but not existing admins, I will happily take on a term length) Worm^TT · (talk) 09:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations - to you and to Wikipedia :-) I'm very pleased to see you adminified. --bonadea contributions talk 09:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much Bonadea. I really appreciate your comment at the RfA, the skills you've mentioned are ones I've always aspired to have, though I don't remember doing them! Worm^TT · (talk) 10:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Hehehe, "administartor"... --Σ ^talk_contribs 22:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Damn and blast! If I'd seen you were up for it it would have been 121! Congratulations! Can I have a massive banhammer? I will abuse it. Pleeease? Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 12:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

LOL, thanks. :) I've not used my banhammer as yet, it's sitting there in the corner... I'll have to consider when to bring it out for it's maiden voyage. Worm^TT · (talk) 12:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Commitment to real life identity

How do I do it? Ryan Vesey Review me! 01:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

MiszaBot III

Hi Worm,

MiszaBot III seems to have stopped archiving my talk page, have you got any ideas to why that might be?  Adam mugliston  Talk  19:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The bot won't archive anything that doesn't have a specific date field on it... so the cookies and YGM will stay around until you delete them manually. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Didn't think of that, thanks!  Adam mugliston  Talk  07:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought that might be the case, but wanted to confirm this morning. You could also reply with thanks and a timestamp ;) Worm^TT · (talk) 07:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Word to the wise on my RFA

Thanks for the word to the wise -- the process was actually quite enlightening! I learned a lot from all the comments and will keep in mind how much more there is to Wikipedia. ch (talk) 05:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary

Since 10.28.2010 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Worm, as his mentor you really need to teach this guy to use the edit summary more often so that we know what he is doing exactly and won't be looking over our shoulders more often than we should have. Thank you for your understanding, best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 06:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dave, thanks for the suggestion, I'll ensure it's something we cover. Since 10.28.2010 has only just returned from a short wikibreak, so I haven't really had a change to work with him at all yet - but I'm sure you'll see a marked improvement over the next few months. Worm^TT · (talk) 06:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• IMO, after removing his nonsense from my page, I sincerely think that there's room for improvement. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 06:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I can understand that point of view. Give us a couple of months, and we'll see how he's doing. Worm^TT · (talk) 07:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• This could take a while, see his shite on my talk page. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 06:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you kindly

	Thank you for your support
	Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I shall endeavor to meet your and the community's expectations as an admin. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Yay Thankspam! You'll make a great admin. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador Program: assessment drive

Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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Since 10.28.2010

Look at this page. No this one. No, sorry, the article got deleted.

Here is some evidence of valuable contributions. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:53, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep, that's me! (Got the word “insurance” stuck in my head now.) Thanks again, An editor since 10.28.2010. 04:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

It was a contested PROD, so I don't think it should have been speedy deleted. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks speediable to me. As a dab page, it's not, but as a "list of insurance topics" it is as a new page duplicating existing information... which is what it was delete for. And don't get me wrong, it would have been deleted as a dab page too, but not speedily. Worm^TT · (talk) 03:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

“Distinguish” hatnote template

Hey, if you don't mind, I placed this. Thanks again, An editor since 10.28.2010. 04:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's likely it's going to be a mix up, but I'd recommend you leave a note here. Worm^TT · (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I would've, but he appears to be a retired user (last edit ever 2010, last edit on talk page 2007, you can check for yourself if you want). I took great care to check his history log. An editor since 10.28.2010. 22:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hey, if you don't mind, I moved the barnstar to my page. View it here. An editor since 10.28.2010. 20:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome to, but that barnstar is going going to grow ;) Worm^TT · (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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IRC

Well, I'm back. You still fancy a chat at IRC? Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Need a question answered (again)

Hello Worm. I just discovered that someone having some sort of hissy fit deleted a whole article. See here: Rorschach Test. I reverted it, of course, and restored the article, but does one then do something about the editor? His fit is on the Talk Page, by the way. I've never seen anyone do this. Advice? (And how are you, by the way?)--TEHodson 05:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I left a warning on his talk page. In addition your wording was confusing. Deleting an article is an action that can only be performed by admins. What the user did was blank the page. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:57, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry; I hadn't ever encountered this before, so didn't know the term "blanking." Thank you. Obviously I knew it wasn't truly deleted. He did it again right away, but someone else got there before I did and again reverted it. Can one get into trouble for "edit warring" when one has to do this multiple times??!!!--TEHodson 06:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for answering that Ryan - TEHodson, per WP:3RR, you won't get in trouble for reverting blatent vandalism - such as page blanking with a hissy fit. Definitely attempting to harm the encyclopedia. Worm^TT · (talk) 16:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

barnstar

Hey, another barnstar, eh? Or did I fail :O --Since 10.28.2010 06:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.19.240 (talk)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Have I told you how impressed I am by your mentorship activities? I'm not sure I have, but if I did, it is worth repeating. It may be ironic that I'm posting just as you have failed, but that's part of the point. Not all will be successful, and I think your recent attempt was very unlikely to succeed, and if it had succeeded, it would have required 100% of your energies for a long time. Some aren't suited for Wikipedia. I hope this recent instance doesn't diminish your enthusiasm for the mentor program. SPhilbrickT 14:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Block

If you had any doubt in your mind at all about the block this might help clear them. Personally, I woke up and was thinking maybe everything from yesterday is past and we can start anew. Then I saw that you blocked him. It is a sort of hard feeling considering I have worked with him since June 18. At one point he even had a dedication notice to me. Reading that question at the help desk helped me come to terms with the block. Ryan Vesey Review me! 14:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I really am sorry that it had to happen - due to the hard work you've put in with this editor. I would much rather have seen a positive outcome. Don't let this deter you, you've had more patience with this editor than the vast majority of the community, and I think you'll make a fantastic adopter should you want to do it in the future. Worm^TT · (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

However

However, while I endorse the block of Since 10.28.2010, an indef seems a bit long. The usual approach is to apply increasingly longer blocks, with indef reserved for socks, legal threats and improper user names.--SPhilbrickT 15:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The terms of the mentorship were that if he acted up he would be indef blocked. See User talk:Calmer Waters#Since 10.28.2010. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• A tiny question here, what if he is using an IP to evade his block and posting tendentious messages around WP? Anyway, I'm filing for an SPI here, feel free to comment. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Actually, he has evaded blocks before. User talk:71.146.31.102 and here. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oh boy, now the pile-on really begins. Oh well, I guess thats how the cookie crumbles, eh? (puns not intended!) --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ahh, but it's much more funny if the pun is intended. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• I would love to but someone obviously doesn't entertain the thought of me being nominated for Adminship, hence the fine prints. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick, an indefinite period of time is not a long period of time. It could be 1 second, or a million years,  Chzz  ►  15:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Exactly as Chzz says. Any definite term would be punitive not preventative. I've certainly not blocked him as a "punishment". I hope that a solution might be forthcoming, but I cannot see one. I would certainly be happy to listen to any solution from Since 10.28.2010 or any other wikipedian. Worm^TT · (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I myself has noticed that he can seemingly go from writing as someone who shows the characteristic of being very young (trouble with the understanding of figurative language and expressions and uncontrolled emotional outbursts) to occasional responses that appear at a higher level of comprehension. It reminds me much of the sock user:Bad edits r dumb editing style (others have since brought up similar observations by email. I appreciate both editors taking the time to attempt to mentor this user, but unless they come clean with what they were doing and decide to change, no amount of help is going to work. Calmer Waters 00:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

@ dave, I think you are mistaken about using IPs to evade blocks

@ ryan - I didn't know such an agreement had been reached, so I'm fine with it.

@ Chzz, I've heard that argument, but I don't accept it. We need a better process, but I'm watching the World Championships now, so will discuss later.--SPhilbrickT 00:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know I think you handled this very well - you showed far more patience than most of us would have in the mentorship process, giving Since 10.28.2010 plenty of opportunity to change, but then were brave enough to enact what is in my opinion a fully justified block when he showed he was either unwilling or unable to change his ways. Peter 22:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Page assistance

Could you give me some assistance on my User page? I am not sure exactly how to design it but I know I would like a tab bar across the top similar to what you and other editors have. Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:37, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely. Any idea what links you'd like? You could pretty much copy mine (User:Worm That Turned/Tabs). I'm happy for you to use my layout (which I pinched from the big man) or we can look into making something new for you? Worm^TT · (talk) 16:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I know that I'll need the link to my userpage, talk page, and a statistics page I created. I guess I'll need a DYK page since I have one coming :). I could probably move a lot of information from my user page to various subject pages. Barnstars→page on barnstars. Projects→articles page.

Well, have a look at commons:Category:Nuvola icons to see if there are any images you like. User, talk, DYK, Barnstars and articles I have something similar, so you can check them out :) Worm^TT · (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I got the tabs issue dealt with, I'll probably figure out how to do my user page at a different time. Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks good :) Worm^TT · (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Article writing question

There is a template of some sort for users who create an article, get it to DYK, stick with it to Good article status, and finally get it promoted to a featured article and I cannot find it. I can't even think or focus on anything right now because I cannot find the answer. Do you know what it is? Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The Four award. I will have one... when I get Doom Bar to featured! Worm^TT · (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, thank you. That settles me a lot. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright question 2

Could I upload the image on this page to Wikipedia commons as an image of the UK government? I cannot find anything to specifically say that it is owned by the government but can also find nothing to say that it is copyrighted by anything other than the UK government. The same image can be found here, here, here, and here. Another option is the image here, but I think I am more concerned about that one. Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. :) In response to your invitation at my talk page, I'm afraid that I can't answer that definitively; have you found the image anywhere on a UK government website? That might help. Personally, I would ask about this one at WP:MCQ, unless Worm knows for sure. Those guys are pretty good in general at digging up image sources. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:44, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Brought to WP:MCQ. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Moonriddengirl is without a doubt the person I'd go straight to with this question and if she suggests MCQ, MCQ is the best place to go. In addition, is the UK government one that automatically makes all images available? I know the US does but I don't know for the UK. (Which is stupid because I live in the UK!)Worm^TT · (talk) 08:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

(Was stalking MRGs page): If it is UK Gov, it is public domain because Crown Copyright expired in 1990 at the latest. If it is by an unknown author, it has been public domain since 2010 at the latest (publication + 70 years). If it is by a known author, 70 years after that person's death. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Aha, so it's a combination of UK Gov and age that would put it in PD, that makes more sense. Thanks. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, but we'd need to know a bit about the author before we could be sure (as you've noted above). Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Just as a note, the UK government has recently moved to an open data standard for a lot of things more info here, so there's a good chance of a lot of government content now being PD. Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Good article review

I don't know how experienced you are with good article review, but I just completed my first review here and was hoping you could give me some input. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

That's an excellent review, and something I would have struggled with (I can't believe you went for such a big article as your first review!) The only think I might suggest is that you give them a chance to fix the problems rather than failing outright, but since there are so many issue and one is sourcing I can see why you did. Overall I'd say you've done a good job. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

There were a couple reasons I failed it right out. First, the page had been waiting for review since May 25, so it was highly probable that the nominator was not sitting there waiting to respond. Second, the nominator/lead contributor had stated that he was on a Wikibreak until October. Third, the extensive changes to the lead, primary sourcing issues, and MOS problems were unlikely to occur in one week. Finally, I believed that the amount of changes were so extensive that the article would be in such a different state it would require a new review. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

What is an acceptable amount of time to spend on a good article review? Are you expected to do the entire review in one sitting or can you spend a day or more reviewing the article? Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

From what I've seen, it's acceptable to take several days over it (and possibly more). Experienced reviewers seem to take on a review and put in an initial comment along the lines of "will add comments over the next few days". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Exactly as Demiurge says - If they can take months over writing, why can't you take a little while over reviewing. (Sorry I didn't reply sooner) Also, I absolutely agree with your reasons for failing it outright, now that you've stated them! Worm^TT · (talk) 08:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you think he has returned?

See WP:Help desk#X. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:26, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Maybe - there's certainly similarities - but it's a single edit rant. I'd suggest just ignoring it. Worm^TT · (talk) 07:55, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Mum's the word, its a she or may be it is he faking as a she but who cares? Remember this: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 08:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Bot question

I see a need for a bot and am wondering if the bot I desire would even be technically possible. I oftentimes wikilink to specific sections of an article and am worried that the section may be renamed without {{anchor}} being used. Would it be possible for a bot to find sections that are wikilinked from another article and place a similar notice to what I did here

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WP:BRQ would be the place to ask, a similar bot could go through and mack a list of section links without a destination. Worm^TT · (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Speaking out of ignorance, would it be possible for a bot to identify sections that are wikilinked and create the anchor? Then if the section is renamed, there won't be a broken link.--SPhilbrickT 16:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Puffin/Club SpongeBob

I read up on your copyright and I fully understand it all now. Just to confirm, is the license I put on the image correct now? Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 10:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes and no. - Yes, that's right licence, though you need to explain why it's fair use for each page it's used on. No though, because it fails WP:NFCC#9, which states that it can't be used in your user space. At all. Check out File:HelpWantedTitleCard.jpg for how it should look when it's live. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:42, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Good article review concerns

I have recently finished a good article review for Tim Pawlenty and in light of complete dissatisfaction with the article shown by User:Wasted Time R I would like to ask you to view the review here. Please note that this is an informal request for comment not a formal request for second opinion. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Well after a quick skim over, I'd say it's a failing of GA criteria, not you. I know there's a bit of an overhaul of how GAs are being reviewed - similar to the one at DYK at the moment. From the looks of things, your review is reasonable. However I can see Wasted Time R's points on WP:UNDUE - by displaying information out of chronological order the user's personal bias to the levels of importance does come into play. On the other hand, I don't agree that there's problems with the length in comparison to other articles - We're WP:NOTPAPER, the information is not irrelevent and should be included. Take his comments on board, discuss them with him, see if you can come up with a compromise. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Libel

G'day Worm,

Mind revdel-ing some libel from an article for me? I'd e-mail the address on WP:LIBEL, but past experience suggests that solution doesn't work.

Is there a venue to talk off wikipedia? -danjel (talk to me) 07:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Email it over to me and I'll have a look. (I'm not available on IRC just at the mo) Worm^TT · (talk) 08:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Cool oh, just waiting for wikipedia to send out a confirmation e-mail to me... -danjel (talk to me) 08:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

If it saves you some time, my email is worm.that.turned@gmail.com Worm^TT · (talk) 08:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Tah. -danjel (talk to me) 08:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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How are my edits on Phodopus and Djungarian hamster? Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 20:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

RFA nomination request

Want to? Just kidding, I certainly don't think I would make it through an RFA right now. I would be honored if you would do a nomination for me some day when I am ready. So here comes the related question, am I ready to start admin coaching? Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Honestly? I think you'll make a fine admin one day, but you'll need to wait. I'd suggest at least 6 months from the block, possibly a little longer - though you've certainly impressed me an I'd be honoured to nominate you in the future :) Worm^TT · (talk) 22:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

So you believe I should start admin coaching in six months? That wouldn't be too bad, I have hoped to run for adminship when I finish school in May which would be a year from my block. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Quite possibly, if you keep up the good work and remember that we're here to build an encyclopedia, writing a few articles if you get a chance ;) Worm^TT · (talk) 22:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I've created 3 articles in the past week actually. I'm still in the process of a long one. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

That's what I like to hear! Worm^TT · (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, you'll probably make it once you wait until a year after the block, as long as there are no subsequent blow-ups. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I too wanted to ask about being an admin ...

... though it's probably too early for me. I like working at DYK, and for some of the heavy lifting there you need a mop. Could you give me some idea of what I would have to do to learn Junior Adminship? I could also help out at science-related AfD, if people want help there. Sharktopus ^talk 23:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure I can offer some tips. I know I've seen you around DYK, but I'll have to have a bit of a review of your contributions before I can make any suggestions. It might take a little time, but I'll get back to you with something soon Worm^TT · (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your quick and kindly reply. Sharktopus ^talk 23:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggested adoptee

Knowing how good you are with these things, can I suggest you take a look at Jacobga (talk · contribs) who is seeking adoption. He is currently on a 24 hour block for disruptive editing (the usual pattern!) but he seems to care and some of his contributions have been good. --Simple Bob ^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 00:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Seeing his behaviour this evening, I apologise to you for thinking he was worth helping. --Simple Bob ^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 20:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It may just be me needing to learn that this "mentoring" thing is not as easy as it seems :S

Who knows, though, all sorts of nonsense can be true... I am still prepared to entertain the idea that actually he really thought it would be OK for his friend to make an account elsewhere and then for he himself to edit "over the shoulder" style. All nonsense of course, but makes sense when you're a certain age. I am very patient as to what-will-happen-next, although I don't seem to manage it with spur-of-the-moment replies (oops). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself Demiurge, you handled the whole situation well. I generally try to take people on with a little experience, but who are heading down the wrong path and the chap didn't seem like he was really learning from anything. I do wonder if the "challenge" you set him was a little too difficult, but it was a reasonable one for him to do while he was blocked.

Simple Bob, I'm sorry I wasn't able to take up the suggestion, I'm just a little busy in that pesky real world at the moment (to the extent I'll be working on the weekend, something that's unheard of for me!) but please feel free to come to me with anyone else you think might be worth the effort - and you never have to apologise for assuming good faith. ;) Worm^TT · (talk) 07:22, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Us and them

Thanks for the comments on my talkpage. I appreciate the spirit in which they are offered and do not doubt your sincerity. However, I do not think that I can be convinced that admins are no different to non-admins. Many day-to-day admins are unilateral, and non-admins seek them out to judge disputes. Admins have technical and political power that makes them a different class of editor. Given that they are appointed for life, I think the power structure here bears a resemblance to the House of Lords in medieval England :-) The funny thing is that I never originally intended anyone except myself to read the AdminWatch page. It's a pity there isn't a way to make userpages private. --Surturz (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Mentee question

Hi Worm, I was wondering if you can take a look at the feedback I submitted for two GA nominated article. I realize that new users are not really encouraged to take this on by ourselves, so a second opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Two articles I reviewed are:

• Wicklow Way
• Lady Gaga's Meat Dress

Thank you! Stan mact (talk) 17:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Best editor The.thanker (talk) 01:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

User:The.aviation.expert et al

Hi,

I am thinking that letting the editor decide to dump his old account in these circumstances goes against the spirit of Wikipedia:Clean start. Mtking ^(edits) 09:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I can see that point of view, but given that it's a matter of a few days on the old account, and I will be watching him like a hawk until he's up to scratch, I don't consider it a clean start - more of a lack of understanding. The editors involved in the previous disruptive editing are all aware who he is, and if he does return to the same disruptive behaviours, I'll be happy to summarily block him. What's more, I'll be expecting him to have a link at the top of his new userpage pointing back to User:Jacobca. Worm^TT · (talk) 09:16, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Djungarian hamster

Thank you for your feedback. I placed a peer review for the article, as I wanted to nominate it as a good article but I'm not sure that it's ready. I am hoping to get Phodopus, Djungarian hamster, Campbell's dwarf hamster and Roborovski hamster to GA and then I will have a lot of experience in content creation and the manual of style in addition to what I already know. I haven't worked on them all yet, but I am going to in the future. Thank you again. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 12:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Glad I could help and good luck with them in the future :) Worm^TT · (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

hi

{{adoptme}} Ethanate1 20:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious why User:BestGuyHi is signing User:Ethanate1, even if Ethanate does redirect. I'll have a think about whether or not to adopt you, I am open to adoption, but I'm afraid I've got to be quite picky with my candidates as I'm quite busy at the moment. Worm^TT · (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind taking this one, maybe I could get a little bit of oversight from you Worm? Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:34, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that would be a great solution. I'd happily watch over your shoulder :) Worm^TT · (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

must be something wrong with WP:CHUEthanate1 21:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. No, you need to manually change your signature for your new username. If you go to My Preferences (at the top), you can edit your signature there. Don't forget to save :) I think Ryan will make a great adopter if you're willing to give him a go by the way. Worm^TT · (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

i knoow im lazy

Questions

I have always wondered if I edit in a similar or different way to other editors and I'm tired of wondering, so I'm going to ask you what you do. First, do you use any form of editing tool such as wikED? Second, do you type all wikimarkup yourself? For example do you manually type three apostrophes to bold something or do you click the Bold button at the top of your window. Do you use the cite tool at the top of your editing window or do you fill the entire template yourself? In the course of writing this I found the {{#tag:ref||group="note"}} button. I could actually imagine using this so I'm glad I brought the subject up. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I've tried a number of different methods, and I think the one that works best for me is long-hand! I just didn't get along with wikiEd, so I got in to writing markup. Remember I am a developer, so writing in code is second nature to me, and wikicode is pretty simple, it's mostly just plain text and a few things to remember for styling. So, yes, I manually type everything. The one exception to that is the cite tool, I use the template for citations, because I'm just not great at remembering all the bits of information I should be including in a citation, and that helps remind me. Other templates I either write from scratch, or check the template doc, copy the entire template and delete all but the bits I need. It means that I spend a lot of time with the preview button, ensuring I get things right. I'm always discovering new things though, have you noticed the "insert" bar below save page? it's got some useful inserts, and you can change it to give you wikimarkup too! Not that I use it, I was just pleasently surprised when I found it... Worm^TT · (talk) 21:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I added wikED yesterday and turned it off right away. I always write my wikimarkup longhand. I have noticed the insert bar, I use → for edit summaries occasionally. I'm experimenting with the various gadgets right now and added this one which shows an assessment of the article on the page. Is there a way to easily modify the script so that the titles don't change color at all? I have also just added Prove it for citations and hopefully that might give me some assistance that the current citation tool doesn't. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:47, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I've used that script for ages, forgot I even used it! I guess the easiest way to do what you're asking is to copy the script, and copy the css file, updating it so all the styles are associated with black. By the way, I really didn't get on with ProveIt Worm^TT · (talk) 14:01, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Nominating a page for deletion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanklet this page seems pretty blank and I want to miss Speedy delete so what do you think? User:Aviation.expert 13:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Which of the speedy deletion criteria do you think it falls under? Worm^TT · (talk) 13:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

A1 User:Aviation.expert 13:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's an unreasonable judgement. However, since Tanklets redirects to Sandal, perhaps a redirect would be a better option? Worm^TT · (talk) 13:50, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for helping me! User:Aviation.expert 13:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Vanalism

I would like to know how to make a vandalism notice to post on a talk page as a user has vandalised the ebay page buy deleting mass content it has been reverted but would like to know the code for future reference, also I have been welcoming users using code from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The.aviation.expert/welcome User:Aviation.expert 14:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

{{uw-delete1}} if they removed content, {{uw-selfrevert}} if they reverted their own change. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

ANI

A Brit born in the 80s, you say? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ3N6Ln8DdE but somehow I think it might not be your style of music, lol. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:40, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding RfA reform

Hi, Worm. Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:RfA reform 2011#What has happened. Thank you, Swarm ^{u | t} 04:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

RfC threat

Worm, you have threatened to drag me through an RfC.

Let me give you advance notice that I shall certainly ignore such a proceeding unless you get the approval of a serious administrator.

On the mathematics project, Charles Matthews, EdJohnston, Geometry Guy, Carl (CBM), CRGreathouse are administrators you might consider. EdJohnston is also on the statistics project. CRGreathouse is also on the economics project. You may also ask any member of ArbCom or any active clerk. This is not an exhaustive list. I have great respect for GWH, but given his positioning on civility, I think that he would be an excellent second "wise man" certifying an RfC worth my time.

This advance notice is to spare us both a waste of time like the ANI, where nearly only the only persons present were already involved.

I remind you of the following policies, which are quoted:

• The following is NOT permitted:
  • Personal attacks.
  • RfCs brought solely to harass or subdue an adversary - note that repetitive, burdensome, or unwarranted filing of meritless RfCs is an abuse of the dispute resolution process.

In particular, I have viewed the ANI proceedings as part of a campaign of harassment by Demiurge1000, which you in good faith became enmeshed. I have spent a lot of time responding to criticisms in the ANI, and under no conditions am I willing to spend time on an RfC in the next two months. I have discharged my obligations to the community by responding to voluminous criticisms by Du1000's summoned clique, in great detail, and I am under no obligation to respond again in the near future.

In particular, you should avoid even the appearance of having your RfC "harass or subdue" me, after your having prolonged and expanded an ANI brought by TFD.

 Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)